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To be fair, wars have a tendency to turn nuanced debates into dichotomies. You either pick the right side or you are a bad person. Before the war Ukraine was a complete mess of a country and Ukrainians couldn't leave fast enough. They winged endlessly about how much Ukraine sucked. After the...

The fact that the war is fought on Ukrainian soil is a clue regarding which side is the problem. Hint, it's not the defensive alliance If the defensive alliance was better funded Putin would stop

You are just describing what it looks like when a problem is bad and has been going on lile that for far too long

Ehe. But the rest of NATO is taking advantage of American generosity. Europeans have become complacent and assume daddy USA will keep bailing us out. Yes, this fact is exploited by Putin's propaganda. European countries have generous welfare systems made possible by an underfunded military...

I agree it's not a Russian proxy war

Lol. You are delusional regarding Ukraines ability to defend against Russia. If Ukraine is fucked without US aid it means it's a proxy war. Calling it a proxy war isn't a value judgement, or in any way dimish Ukraines right to defend itself. Nor does it justify Putins actions. It's simply an...

Your comment makes no sense. How is the fact that it being a Russian landgrab in any way contradict it being an American proxy war?

Because it matters. It matters because one side, Russia, is trying their damndest to confuse everyone and warp reality, Putin is trying to gaslight the planet. Don't fall into his trap. If you equate Ukraine being a proxy war for USA, with NATO being an imperialistic aggressor, you are just...

You suck at this. A proxy war has to involve a super power. There are exactly three right now. USA, Russia and China. the rest can't fight proxy wars. India is on the fast track toward becoming a super power. But they've quite a bit to go still. EU might be considered a super power if they would...

Which is why we call it a proxy war. Becuse that's exatly what a proxy war is. Did you read the wikipedia article? Sure.... but it has ZERO impact on whether or not this is a proxy war. BTW, it was a proxy war right from the start. The moment Russia nabbed Crimea USA built up Ukrains defence...

Then you're just adding irrelevant and erroneus qualifiers, because why? Why are so many here desperate to deny this is a proxy war between Russia and USA? Just look at the total amount of hardware. If the rest of NATO stopped sending weapons to Ukraine, Ukraine would be fine. It's the American...

What is this an argument for or against? I don’t understand why you said this. How is this an argument against it being a proxy war?

Better luck next time with seeming clever

Thanks for mansplaining about how money works. Did you have an argument?

You should tell that to the Ukrainians. They're going to be so relieved they're not a part of the war. It all must have been a dream then

I have no idea wtf you are talking about? What is this even a reference to? I don't even understand what you are refuting or what you are for? How does your comment disprove that it's a proxy war? Without US/NATO money Ukraine would have lost already. That makes it a proxy war. It's not...

NATO money is dying in Ukraine. A lot of it. More NATO money is dying in Ukraine than Ukrainian money. Most Ukrainian military hardware is now NATO hardware No, it wasn’t. That’s what China wanted. But the Vietnam communist party was worried about being dominated by China. So they reached out...

The Vietnam war was USA propping up the South Vietnamese government, (after France had fucked off). Over time USA got more and more involved, until USA was the South Vietnamese government. Initially they sent little more than money and material. Which is exactly what is happening now. I'd say...

It's still not recommended to brush your teeth with Vietnamese water, due to the Agent Orange residue. What caracterised the cold war was proxy wars, just like the one in Ukraine

Or we could learn from history. Any country at war has to juggle the economy to continually find resources and funds to keep it going. That's always been true, back to the dawn of man, right back to when we were a species of chimpanzee. The point of continually pushing your enemy is to force...