1.36 Parts out of `16,000 Drives Climate? Not the Sun?

[bilby]

I'm fairly well certain the source is OP's own blog. He uses that hopelessly outdated website to create a "source" for whatever topic he wishes to "discuss" here, then links to it as if it were something other than a collection of gibberish on a platform that was old when MySpace was popular.

Starman is an Aussie?

Had him pegged as one of America's home grown conservative sociopaths... Oh well, live and learn...

Google manages their <blogname>.blogspot.com addresses on a per country basis using TLDs to redirect access to country specific mirrors; This allows them, in principle, to block access to unlawful material in one jurisdiction while leaving it available in others.

Bigfield is in Australia, so when he retrieves the page at globalwarmingliars.blogspot.com, he is redirected to the mirror at globalwarmingliars.blogspot.com.au; If someone in the UK navigates to globalwarmingliars.blogspot.com, they end up at globalwarmingliars.blogspot.co.uk.

I doubt Starman has ever visited Australia; He seems unaware that anywhere outside the USA even exists.

 

[Duke Leto]

Starman is an Aussie?

Had him pegged as one of America's home grown conservative sociopaths... Oh well, live and learn...

Google manages their <blogname>.blogspot.com addresses on a per country basis using TLDs to redirect access to country specific mirrors; This allows them, in principle, to block access to unlawful material in one jurisdiction while leaving it available in others.

Bigfield is in Australia, so when he retrieves the page at globalwarmingliars.blogspot.com, he is redirected to the mirror at globalwarmingliars.blogspot.com.au; If someone in the UK navigates to globalwarmingliars.blogspot.com, they end up at globalwarmingliars.blogspot.co.uk.

I doubt Starman has ever visited Australia; He seems unaware that anywhere outside the USA even exists.

AH...

Duke Leto's Web 2.0 illiteracy for the loss.

Sorry to calumniate your generally pooftah free and non-Abbo maltreating nation, Bruce!

 

[bilby]

Google manages their <blogname>.blogspot.com addresses on a per country basis using TLDs to redirect access to country specific mirrors; This allows them, in principle, to block access to unlawful material in one jurisdiction while leaving it available in others.

Bigfield is in Australia, so when he retrieves the page at globalwarmingliars.blogspot.com, he is redirected to the mirror at globalwarmingliars.blogspot.com.au; If someone in the UK navigates to globalwarmingliars.blogspot.com, they end up at globalwarmingliars.blogspot.co.uk.

I doubt Starman has ever visited Australia; He seems unaware that anywhere outside the USA even exists.

AH...

Duke Leto's Web 2.0 illiteracy for the loss.

Sorry to calumniate your generally pooftah free and non-Abbo maltreating nation, Bruce!

I dunno about pooftah free.

Some of them are surprisingly expensive.

 

[bigfield]

Starman is an Aussie?

Had him pegged as one of America's home grown conservative sociopaths... Oh well, live and learn...

Google manages their <blogname>.blogspot.com addresses on a per country basis using TLDs to redirect access to country specific mirrors; This allows them, in principle, to block access to unlawful material in one jurisdiction while leaving it available in others.

Bigfield is in Australia, so when he retrieves the page at globalwarmingliars.blogspot.com, he is redirected to the mirror at globalwarmingliars.blogspot.com.au; If someone in the UK navigates to globalwarmingliars.blogspot.com, they end up at globalwarmingliars.blogspot.co.uk.

I doubt Starman has ever visited Australia; He seems unaware that anywhere outside the USA even exists.

Whoops. I'll remember that in future and amend the hyperlinks accordingly.

 

[bigfield]

Regarding the 160 'physicists' who signed the APS petition:

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2010/oct/14/aps-responds-to-climate-change-accusations

One hundred sixty physicists echoed Professor Lewis' words. That is considerably more depth than you will ever have in your life.

Here is the paragraph from physicsworld.com:

Lewis is also one of the 160 physicists who last year failed to persuade the society to modify its "appallingly tendentious" formal statement on climate change, which it had released in November 2007, to reflect their own doubts about the human contribution to global warming. "Everything that has been done in the last year has been designed to silence debate." Lewis writes in his letter to Callan. "APS management has gamed the problem from the beginning, to suppress serious conversation about the merits of the climate change claims." In resigning, Lewis says the APS "no longer represents me".

The petition can be found here:

http://striky.ece.jhu.edu/~sasha/Public/CLIMATE.APS/APS.Petition_04_16_10.pdf

Firstly, it is immediately evident that the 160 signatories are not all physicists: some are engineers and only a handful of the signatories specialise in atmospheric physics or climate science.

Secondly, these physicists did not 'echo' Lewis' words. The text of the petition reads as follows:

Regarding the National Policy Statement on Climate Change of the APS Council:A Petition to the Council of the American Physical Society


As current and past members of the American Physical Society, we the undersigned petition the
APS Council to commission an independent, objective study and assessment of the science relating to the
question of anthropogenic global warming. The assessment should consider findings representing the full
scope of available scientific sources. The assessment is to be used as a basis for a new Statement on
Climate Change that reflects the current state of scientific knowledge and its uncertainties. This Petition is
to be provided to the membership for comment prior to action by the Council.

That is a far cry from echoing Lewis' own opinion that climate change science is pseudoscience, that the APS and other organisations are corrupt, etc.

To put it mildly, physicsworld.com has been taking liberties with the truth.

From the OP:

Science is not a matter of consensus, though many pretend that it is.

Consensus is extremely important to those who take the advice of scientists, such as policymakers, but who themselves lack the expertise to evaluate the science themselves.

But the only consensus that matters is the consensus among climate scientists. The opinions of scientists who are not climate experts do not count, nor do the opinions of engineers, or anyone else. The vast majority of the signatories on the APS petition do not count, and nor do the non-cilmate experts on various other petitions bandied about by climate deniers.

 

[ApostateAbe]

The Keeling Curve was created to mislead, not to inform.
1. It does not have a zero base.
2. It shows total atmospheric carbon dioxide, not the anthropogenic component which warmers want everyone to feel guilty about and suffer terribly for.
3. It does not show water vapor.

I have seen many non-controversial charts that use axes without a zero base, and I think it would mislead only the scientifically illiterate. There are plenty of scientifically illiterate people in the world, so it is not an objection completely without substance, but not really enough to accuse scientists of trying to pull the wool over our eyes. The objection about carbon dioxide would be appropriate if there was a probable proposition of where else the increase in CO2 is coming from if not industry. I have not read the whole thread, so maybe you have alternative hypothesis of where all the extra CO2 is coming from and I missed it. The graph does not show water vapor, yeah. You would probably need a different graph for that. Could be a good counterpoint, but I think it would be hyperbolic at best to claim that leaving water vapor off a chart about carbon dioxide is designed to mislead.