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This would also likely reduce the capital stock since it shifts the balance between consumption and investment towards consumption.

In my hypothetical that is unlikely - starting on day one, investment is what it already was. There is no decrease in capital per worker. X days later, there is increased consumption, which raises demand and incentivizes investment - (and not of the stock buy-back sort).
But as our aegagrus friend points out, growth and inflation always require management to balance them... not a reason to oppose them. Yeah, it's pretty safe to give $1.5 trillion to billionaires, since exactly the opposite dynamic is at work: giving it to billionaires is anti-inflationary, like giving it to El Chapo to bury in barrels. But it doesn't enable anyone to lift him/herself out of a poverty cycle, doesn't drive demand for consumer products and certainly doesn't help anyone get off welfare or get an education.
 
This would also likely reduce the capital stock since it shifts the balance between consumption and investment towards consumption.

In my hypothetical that is unlikely - starting on day one, investment is what it already was. There is no decrease in capital per worker. X days later, there is increased consumption, which raises demand and incentivizes investment - (and not of the stock buy-back sort).
But as our aegagrus friend points out, growth and inflation always require management to balance them... not a reason to oppose them. Yeah, it's pretty safe to give $1.5 trillion to billionaires, since exactly the opposite dynamic is at work: giving it to billionaires is anti-inflationary, like giving it to El Chapo to bury in barrels. But it doesn't enable anyone to lift him/herself out of a poverty cycle, doesn't drive demand for consumer products and certainly doesn't help anyone get off welfare or get an education.

The inflation (or higher interest rates if the fed decides to combat the inflation) will raise the prices of future planned investment (as well as repairs and maintenance of existing capital), meaning less real net investment.

What matters is what portion of that $1.5 trillion is spent vs saved for each of your hypothetical groups given the $1.5 trillion.
 
This would also likely reduce the capital stock since it shifts the balance between consumption and investment towards consumption.

In my hypothetical that is unlikely - starting on day one, investment is what it already was. There is no decrease in capital per worker. X days later, there is increased consumption, which raises demand and incentivizes investment - (and not of the stock buy-back sort).
But as our aegagrus friend points out, growth and inflation always require management to balance them... not a reason to oppose them. Yeah, it's pretty safe to give $1.5 trillion to billionaires, since exactly the opposite dynamic is at work: giving it to billionaires is anti-inflationary, like giving it to El Chapo to bury in barrels. But it doesn't enable anyone to lift him/herself out of a poverty cycle, doesn't drive demand for consumer products and certainly doesn't help anyone get off welfare or get an education.

The inflation (or higher interest rates if the fed decides to combat the inflation) will raise the prices of future planned investment (as well as repairs and maintenance of existing capital), meaning less real net investment.


Wrong. The increase in spent money is incremental, not taken from the pre-existing pool. Inflation that would eat $1.5t would need to be like Venzuela's or worse.
 
In my opinion all of these talks about economics are fruitless. There is no way to get the poor into the middle class without costing those well off or in middle class already a lot of money, dragging their standard down. There is no way to do this or that without this or that somehow coming back and biting us in the butt in some other way. Rasing the minimum wage will hurt us somehow but not raising it hurts people too, yada, yada, yada. Same with universal health care, universal this and that, wage limits and scales and so on. You name it it always bites in the butt and there never is a solution to a problem. Why waste time talking about all of this?

There's no such thing as a perfect solution. Never has been. Someone's going to get hurt no matter what decisions are made. However, it seems to me (and I know that doesn't mean much), that the the people who truly benefitted from the tax cut really didn't need it. They simply saved a lot of money. They were fine before.

Measure that against those who really need government services; whose kids go to schools where they have to share old outdated textbooks; where their only decent meal of the day comes from the school lunch program, etc. What would $1.5 trillion do for the homeless in this nation?

What would $1.5 trillion do if put towards fervently developing an economy run almost entirely on clean energy?

And on and on. The point is that the wealthy, if taxed a few percentage points more, are not going to hurt from anywhere near the degree that the poor are.
 
There's no such thing as a perfect solution. Never has been. Someone's going to get hurt no matter what decisions are made. However, it seems to me (and I know that doesn't mean much), that the the people who truly benefitted from the tax cut really didn't need it. They simply saved a lot of money. They were fine before.

Measure that against those who really need government services; whose kids go to schools where they have to share old outdated textbooks; where their only decent meal of the day comes from the school lunch program, etc. What would $1.5 trillion do for the homeless in this nation?

What would $1.5 trillion do if put towards fervently developing an economy run almost entirely on clean energy?

And on and on. The point is that the wealthy, if taxed a few percentage points more, are not going to hurt from anywhere near the degree that the poor are.

If I'm in charge it goes to infrastructure. Just sayin' ... that seems to be the greatest need and the greatest good that could be served. It is tax money, and should be spent where the benefits accrue to the people who pay taxes.
Meanwhile, none of the naysayers about giving it to the poor has been able to argue that it was a great idea to squander it on billionaires and stock buy-backs.
 
But then, those who 'grew up in wealth' probably have trusts, and with the trusts, professional money managers who can govern their spending habits....that's why it is not the quick collapse of those lower on the economic scale. Of course, once freed of the constraints of their managers, a goodly number piss away their fortunes. So, those who can afford professional money managers do better at holding on to windfalls....that's no big surprise, I assume?

You can learn to handle money without being wealthy.
 
Why in the world should we expect different behavior when more people are doing it?

For the same reason that billionaires are always trying to make more billions; keeping up with the Joneses. When you're the only kid on the block with $1m, you show it off, throw parties, buy flashy vehicles, rent a fancy house... but when you're one of several or many, you try to build that wealth to stand out from you new crowd.
Hell, the first time I had accumulated some cash (about $40k)I thought I was retired at 22 years old. Bought a new BMW and a residential property (14k for a property with three dwellings), re-built 2 of the three houses and boom - nearly broke. Rented one out and lived on that income for a few years. When I sold the property I got $250k for it. Had never punched a time clock in my life until then, but so desperately didn't want to be poor again (hell, I was a damn HOME OWNER, and didn't want to return to non-home-ownership!), that I went out and got a job with the first place that would have me.

I disagree. If nothing else, the people that get those windfalls rarely stay were they were anyway.
 
This would also likely reduce the capital stock since it shifts the balance between consumption and investment towards consumption.

In my hypothetical that is unlikely - starting on day one, investment is what it already was. There is no decrease in capital per worker. X days later, there is increased consumption, which raises demand and incentivizes investment - (and not of the stock buy-back sort).
But as our aegagrus friend points out, growth and inflation always require management to balance them... not a reason to oppose them. Yeah, it's pretty safe to give $1.5 trillion to billionaires, since exactly the opposite dynamic is at work: giving it to billionaires is anti-inflationary, like giving it to El Chapo to bury in barrels. But it doesn't enable anyone to lift him/herself out of a poverty cycle, doesn't drive demand for consumer products and certainly doesn't help anyone get off welfare or get an education.

You diverted an awful lot of money to consumer spending. That drives up the price of consumer goods. Inflation.
 
This would also likely reduce the capital stock since it shifts the balance between consumption and investment towards consumption.

In my hypothetical that is unlikely - starting on day one, investment is what it already was. There is no decrease in capital per worker. X days later, there is increased consumption, which raises demand and incentivizes investment - (and not of the stock buy-back sort).
But as our aegagrus friend points out, growth and inflation always require management to balance them... not a reason to oppose them. Yeah, it's pretty safe to give $1.5 trillion to billionaires, since exactly the opposite dynamic is at work: giving it to billionaires is anti-inflationary, like giving it to El Chapo to bury in barrels. But it doesn't enable anyone to lift him/herself out of a poverty cycle, doesn't drive demand for consumer products and certainly doesn't help anyone get off welfare or get an education.

You diverted an awful lot of money to consumer spending. That drives up the price of consumer goods. Inflation.

The reason all that new world silver made Spain poorer.
 
But then, those who 'grew up in wealth' probably have trusts, and with the trusts, professional money managers who can govern their spending habits....that's why it is not the quick collapse of those lower on the economic scale. Of course, once freed of the constraints of their managers, a goodly number piss away their fortunes. So, those who can afford professional money managers do better at holding on to windfalls....that's no big surprise, I assume?

You can learn to handle money without being wealthy.

Yes. Who do you think the 'money managers' are? Unwealthy using and playing with somebody else's assets. Duh.
 
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Loren Pechtel said:
While those who inherit often don't do that well with it we don't see the rampant quick collapse we generally see when those who grew up poor get their hands on money.

Source?

(Note that we frequently do see it with those who made a pile in sports--they generally didn't grow up learning to handle money.)

You’ve addressed your own problem, but it’s still applicable to anyone given a large amount of money who didn’t “grow up learning to handle” it. I knew plenty of trust fund babies (at Boston University and when I worked in high finance in New York) that didn’t have a clue how to handle their money. Indeed, ALL of our clients didn’t have a clue, which is why they were clients.

The trust fund babies just spent money and assumed it would always exist. Even the investor-savvy clients still didn’t have a clue about how all of the various investment vehicles would benefit them the most. Many had their millions in CDs ffs or insisted on day trading and would constantly bother our managing directors whenever their pet stocks lowered from day to day. One client would call—like clockwork—the second his Apple stock went down and ask why the MD didn’t sell before that happened. It didn’t matter how often the MD would explain market fluctuations—or that the stock would then go back up at the end of the day—the second it dipped down he got the call.

But the point—once again—is that it’s nothing unique to being poor. Ignorance knows no social class.
 
A one year, 1.5 trillion dollars give away by the government will have little impact on the economy after about five years. There will be a surge in inflation, but it will not be massive. We have a 20 trillion dollar economy, if all of the money was spent in a single year, a virtual impossibility, it would be a mere blip of 7.5% inflation.

While it is much easier than it was in the 1930 's when the movie from the novel and the play Brewster's Millions was first made, it is hard still to spend a million dollars in a year. It would be especially hard if there were another 150 thousand people trying to spend their million dollars. Shortages would abound in available housing and automobiles and some few other goods. No manufacturer will adjust investment in production facilities to capture a one time surge in consumer demand like this. Prices would soar in these goods but not in many of the other baseline goods for consumption for sustainability, food, medical costs, fuel, etc.

Giving the money to the poor would impact the economy much more than giving it to the rich in the form of tax cuts, our current favorite way of government giveaways. All that this does, giving it to the rich, is to convert the money from the new government debt into the wealth of the already wealthy in the form of 1.5 trillion dollars of new T-Bills. Not a part of it, not most of it, but all of it.

If what you want to do is to boost the economy by helping the poor and the middle class and small business instead of the rich with a one-time affair that wouldn't boost the government's debt, I would suggest a one time debt holiday. Write off the bank debts of the poor and the middle class, say up to $50,000 dollars of debt for individuals and $100,000 dollars of debt for businesses. A no-fault bankruptcy for everyone, no blemish on the credit history for people and businesses, no claim against the profits and capitalization of the banks for making a bad loan.

The banks would scream because you would be reducing their assets, the outstanding loans, but these are only assets against the possible liability of a bad loan. If the liability disappears then so does the asset. The banks would also scream because they would be deprived of the interest income from the loans, but I for one would consider this to be a plus. Money that the loan represents is the magic money of banking created out of thin air. It is money that normally exists only for the duration of the loan turned into base money, the temporary made permanent.

It wouldn't increase inflation because no money would change hands and the money created by the debt has already been spent. Its threat to the moral fiber of the nation could be minimal, especially if it was written into being overnight somehow so that people wouldn't be able to run up their debt in anticipation of the debt holiday. The amounts are so low that it isn't much help to the profligate or the already rich. But it would be something for almost everyone or at the very least their children. You could argue that it doesn't reward the savers and those who are careful with their money, but aren't these virtues that carry their own rewards?

Then we should really boost the economy by eliminating poverty for anyone who is willing to work, by boosting the wages of the working poor, not with welfare or other complex government programs but by increasing the minimum wage and increasing the negotiating strength of the workers by reducing the union-busting by the government, by reducing our trade deficit by focusing on what is best for the nation and its workers instead of on the idealistic and ultimately destructive ideology of free trade.
 
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You diverted an awful lot of money to consumer spending. That drives up the price of consumer goods. Inflation.

The reason all that new world silver made Spain poorer.

Not EXACTLY the same... Cortés and Pizzaro didn't have to borrow from Montezuma & Co. - they just stole it all. But the point is well taken.
Loren neglects to observe what happens on the production end when demand increases.

Anecdotally - my (former, now my employer) Company entered the Bleeding Control arena about ten years ago. At the first SWAT conference I attended, exactly ONE SWAT Medic was present, and was among a mere handful of people who visited with me. I asked why there was such a lack of interest. "They all think they're Superman" was his answer. Four years later, at the same conference I don't believe there was one among the ~500 attendees who DIDN'T come see me. That was when Public Access Bleeding Control became a thing. Demand was out-stripping supply on all fronts, and we were among a handful of suppliers. In short order, every player from multi-nationals to kids in their basements were trying to get in on it. Prices did go up - for most of one year. Then the competitive landscape began to mature, with the weaker players weeded out and the remaining strong players competing with each other, The net result: the cost to end users for most Bleeding Control kits and supplies dropped from where they had been a couple of years earlier.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
While those who inherit often don't do that well with it we don't see the rampant quick collapse we generally see when those who grew up poor get their hands on money.

Source?

(Note that we frequently do see it with those who made a pile in sports--they generally didn't grow up learning to handle money.)

You’ve addressed your own problem, but it’s still applicable to anyone given a large amount of money who didn’t “grow up learning to handle” it. I knew plenty of trust fund babies (at Boston University and when I worked in high finance in New York) that didn’t have a clue how to handle their money. Indeed, ALL of our clients didn’t have a clue, which is why they were clients.

The trust fund babies just spent money and assumed it would always exist. Even the investor-savvy clients still didn’t have a clue about how all of the various investment vehicles would benefit them the most. Many had their millions in CDs ffs or insisted on day trading and would constantly bother our managing directors whenever their pet stocks lowered from day to day. One client would call—like clockwork—the second his Apple stock went down and ask why the MD didn’t sell before that happened. It didn’t matter how often the MD would explain market fluctuations—or that the stock would then go back up at the end of the day—the second it dipped down he got the call.

But the point—once again—is that it’s nothing unique to being poor. Ignorance knows no social class.

My family had been wealthy, but they lost their money when the Japanese invaded China in the 1930's. So I was raised with the attitudes of the wealthy without any of the money. I went to school with the spoiled rich, but as the lowest of the low, a scholarship student. They were both dismissive of us because we didn't have the money while at the same time they were afraid of us because we were smarter than they were.

Close association with the rich does indeed cure oneself of any awe of them. I would hope that the Donald Trump administration would cure most of the rest of the country of any belief that the rich will work hard for the rest of us or that they can provide some business accumen to governing. This is the most corrupt administration that we have had for a least a hundred years since the Harding administration.

Trump has just been effectively listed as unindicted co-conspirator with. Micheal Cohen.

Our criminals come almost exclusively from the poor and the rich. The poor commit crimes because they don't see any advantage to working hard and still being poor, that they have nothing to lose. The rich commit crimes because they routinely get away with them. The only difference between the crimes they commit is that the upper class' crimes cost us much more money.
 
Let me start by saying I think there is merit to the idea that people who need more money just to pay for basic daily goods are more likely to spend it on those consumer goods that drive general economic growth and job creation moreso than giving the same money to people whose basic needs and wants are already more than satisfied and who already spend large sums on luxury goods (e.g., the people more likely to spend that extra $1 million on a long ago created painting which has only slightly more positive economic impact than throwing the money down a well.

But that is more the case in a normal situation where the poor are getting some modest extra money at regular intervals. This proposal of giving them a lottery style windfall is different, and the problems Loren and others have pointed to of wasteful/destructive spending is real. However, some of their claims and arguments are problematic and overstated.

What you're missing is that no amount of money is long-term life changing for most of those at the bottom. They get money, they spend it, soon they're back where they started or even worse off.

As I already stated, I think that's overly cynical. Is that what YOU would do?

What Loren would do is an irrelevant anecdote. OTOH, thebeave cited an article claiming that 70% of lottery winners are broke within a few years, which appears to be a bullshit number. I can find zero valid empirical basis for the claim, just lazy journalists citing other lazy journalists, citing think-tanks who just seem to make shit up. In contrast, I can find peer reviewed systematic academic research which concludes things like....

"Contrary to the myth that a big lottery win will ruin the winners’ lives, lottery winners tend to be well-adjusted and their life quality seems to improve. Suggestions for future research are discussed."

and "[Winning the lottery] had no significant effect on self-assessed overall health, but a significant positive effect on mental health."


Which implies that the anecdotes showing some rather tragic outcomes for some winners who become worse off than before represent a minority of cases, while most winners have either and overall positive result.

In addition, while it is mostly lower income who play the lottery, they are a select non-random sample of the poor. They are the poor especially likely to be bad gamblers and poor decision makers, such as playing the lottery, and thus this sub-group who play the lottery are more likely to blow through a windfall. So, whatever the minority % of lottery winners are who make their lives worse by winning, that % is higher than the % of the poor who would do so by being given a big check, because they are a random sample of the poor rather than a random sample of people that play the lottery.

However, while the frequency of bad outcomes for those that win lottery is overstated, and while lottery players are not representative of total poor population, it is the case that many lottery winners that were poor make terrible decisions, and that even many of those who don't win the lottery make terrible decisions with what little money they have.

Just the lottery itself reveals this, since those in the bottom 20% of net worth are almost 4 times as likely to make the bad financial decision of playing the lottery. Note it isn't a simple matter of the poorer you are the more you play because you could use the money.
People at the 40th percentile but still below the median in wealth don't play any more often than the people at the 80th percentile.

Then there are the subset of poor who spend what little money the have $200 sneakers, expensive jewelry, and thousands of $ to trick-out a honda civic. So, while it seems to be exaggerated hyperbole that 70% of these poor who would get this $1mil from the government would be broke again and worse off in a few years, it is the case that some notable % of them would in fact waste their windfall on items that fail to improve their lives and even make their lives worse (such as further indulging their drug addictions which are disproportionately more common among the poor).

Why is this the case?

Perhaps you fancy yourself as more responsible or maybe just smarter, than any poor people?

Clearly the reasons are more complicated than this, yet those factors do matter. The higher % among the poor who making bad, self-destructive decisions like playing the lottery, gambling in general, and heavy use of the most dangerous drugs would support that they are more likely to be irresponsible and self-destructive with their money and than the average person.

As for "smarter", despite widespread misrepresentation of the data, the poorest Americans are much more likely to be below average IQ.
This graph below is the most extensive recent study of the relationship.

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Ironically, This graph and study is most often cited to try and show that there is no consistent overall relationship between wealth and IQ. That is true, because as you can see, the number of dots above and below the median 100 IQ are about equal at most levels of income and the same for people with the most wealth as for people in the middle class. But that is not the question at hand, which is whether the poorest Americans are disproportionately lower in IQ. The data clearly show that answer is "yes." Look at the very bottom line of the graph showing people who hover around or below $20k in total net worth. That dark black "blob" in the lower left of the graph is the result of tons of black dots there, several times (about 3-5 times) more dots than are on the lower right side. This means that among the poorest Americans, 70%-85% of them are below the national IQ average.

Now, conservatives will try to say that all these relationships exist only because bad decisions, low impulse control, and low intelligence are THE primary causes of poverty. Whereas most on the left will deny that these factors are even correlated with poverty let alone the cause of it. Both are wrong. As is typical of extreme scores on most variables (i.e., extreme poverty), they rarely arrive at that score for any single cause, but rather are so extreme because all the various causal influences on that variable happened to push those cases in that one direction, which will happen to a minority of cases by chance.
Plenty of very rich people (about half) are just as low IQ as this 75% of low IQ poor, and plenty or the rich are irresponsible. Also, while many of the poor have had random misfortune, plenty of the middle class and even the rich have also suffered misfortune, yet overcame it in the long run. But when misfortune, bad impulse control, addiction-prone biology, low IQ, and being born into low opportunities all happen to happen to the same person, there are very likely to get a person near the bottom of wealth. Thus, low IQ is not a cause at all for some people's poverty, and rarely a sufficient cause for anyone, and often a byproduct rather than cause of poverty due to low childhood nutrition, stress, poor education, etc.. Yet, it is still strongly enough associated with poverty that it would likely lead poor people to make worse decisions on average that negatively impact their ability to retain a sudden gain in wealth.

Also, some of the other factors arealso actually by-products of rather than initial causes of the person's poverty. The extreme desperation and deprivation of poverty will lead a person to drug use, and to taking bigger risks including lottery or crime, and to treating themselves something lavish and showy to try and dull the shame felt by daily poverty. Plus, impulse control and holding off for long term gain even when a short term reward is available is a trained skill. The more you do it, the better you get at it. And the poor have had little opportunity to practice that skill, because they rarely have the $ to buy themselves a short term reward. They don't get an allowance they can use to save up for a bike. They get no allowance and no bike. However, the direction of the causality doesn't really matter for the current discussion. Whether the poor's higher rate of risky and harmful decision making was the cause or byproduct of their poverty, it is now part of their psychological makeup that doesn't change overnight just because they got a big check overnight. Either way, they are more likely than the non-poor person to blow through their windfall and to do so in a self destructive manner, even if that likelihood is not close to the cited 70% figure.
 
Let me start by saying I think there is merit to the idea that people who need more money just to pay for basic daily goods are more likely to spend it on those consumer goods that drive general economic growth and job creation more than giving the same money to people whose basic needs and wants are already more than satisfied and who already spend large sums on luxury goods (e.g., the people more likely to spend that extra $1 million on a long ago created painting which has only slightly more positive economic impact than throwing the money down a well.

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Yes, it sucks being poor. If you are poor you are more likely to be poorly educated, more likely to be a criminal, more likely to do drugs and more likely to die earlier than someone in the middle class.

Yes, it is better to be rich. But if you are rich you are more likely to do drugs than if you were in the middle class because drugs are expensive. And as we are seeing now with the Trump family and Trump's "best of the best" that he appointed to help him run the country and to drain the swamp, if you are rich you are much more likely to be a criminal than if you were in the middle class.

The solution to all of this is obvious to me, broaden the middle class. Reduce the income inequity, start to eliminate poverty by increasing their incomes and reduce the upper class by reducing their incomes by shifting from profits to wages, from unearned income to earned income, the opposite of what has happened over the last forty years.
 
As for "smarter", despite widespread misrepresentation of the data, the poorest Americans are much more likely to be below average IQ.
This graph below is the most extensive recent study of the relationship.

6-Figure2-1.png

Ironically, This graph and study is most often cited to try and show that there is no consistent overall relationship between wealth and IQ. That is true, because as you can see, the number of dots above and below the median 100 IQ are about equal at most levels of income and the same for people with the most wealth as for people in the middle class. But that is not the question at hand, which is whether the poorest Americans are disproportionately lower in IQ. The data clearly show that answer is "yes." Look at the very bottom line of the graph showing people who hover around or below $20k in total net worth. That dark black "blob" in the lower left of the graph is the result of tons of black dots there, several times (about 3-5 times) more dots than are on the lower right side. This means that among the poorest Americans, 70%-85% of them are below the national IQ average.

I think this graph distorts the picture--you'll have a lot of high-IQ, low-net-worth people who are just starting out in life--students and recent graduates still paying off student loans.
 
As for "smarter", despite widespread misrepresentation of the data, the poorest Americans are much more likely to be below average IQ.
This graph below is the most extensive recent study of the relationship.

6-Figure2-1.png

Ironically, This graph and study is most often cited to try and show that there is no consistent overall relationship between wealth and IQ. That is true, because as you can see, the number of dots above and below the median 100 IQ are about equal at most levels of income and the same for people with the most wealth as for people in the middle class. But that is not the question at hand, which is whether the poorest Americans are disproportionately lower in IQ. The data clearly show that answer is "yes." Look at the very bottom line of the graph showing people who hover around or below $20k in total net worth. That dark black "blob" in the lower left of the graph is the result of tons of black dots there, several times (about 3-5 times) more dots than are on the lower right side. This means that among the poorest Americans, 70%-85% of them are below the national IQ average.

I think this graph distorts the picture--you'll have a lot of high-IQ, low-net-worth people who are just starting out in life--students and recent graduates still paying off student loans.

I find that graphic highly suspect. There seem to be a lot more people of >100 IQ than >100 IQ. Isn't 100 supposed to be the median? Or are there a whole host of geniuses hidden off the right side of the graph?
 
As for "smarter", despite widespread misrepresentation of the data, the poorest Americans are much more likely to be below average IQ.
This graph below is the most extensive recent study of the relationship.

6-Figure2-1.png

Ironically, This graph and study is most often cited to try and show that there is no consistent overall relationship between wealth and IQ. That is true, because as you can see, the number of dots above and below the median 100 IQ are about equal at most levels of income and the same for people with the most wealth as for people in the middle class. But that is not the question at hand, which is whether the poorest Americans are disproportionately lower in IQ. The data clearly show that answer is "yes." Look at the very bottom line of the graph showing people who hover around or below $20k in total net worth. That dark black "blob" in the lower left of the graph is the result of tons of black dots there, several times (about 3-5 times) more dots than are on the lower right side. This means that among the poorest Americans, 70%-85% of them are below the national IQ average.

I think this graph distorts the picture--you'll have a lot of high-IQ, low-net-worth people who are just starting out in life--students and recent graduates still paying off student loans.

I find that graphic highly suspect. There seem to be a lot more people of >100 IQ than >100 IQ. Isn't 100 supposed to be the median? Or are there a whole host of geniuses hidden off the right side of the graph?

Huh? I don't think you said what you meant.
 
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