3 brave officers disarm 17 year old girl by shooting her to death

[Jason Harvestdancer]

That is simply not logical. So your entire argument is based on a false premise.

It is not only logical, it is also grammatical. His grammatical structure does not indicate that he is referring to a subset, so therefore there is no reason to believe he is referring to a subset.

The only reason a Republican like him might try to say libertarians support the police in cases like this is to try to erase the differences between libertarians and Republicans. That is exactly what he did, and that is why he did it.

 

[Derec]

UK populace isn't routinely armed. That's how.

Outstanding argument for the repeal of the second amendment.

Is the US Constitution too hard to amend?

 

[laughing dog]

That is simply not logical. So your entire argument is based on a false premise.

It is not only logical, it is also grammatical. His grammatical structure does not indicate that he is referring to a subset, so therefore there is no reason to believe he is referring to a subset.

Wrong. "Don't you love how it's always the "small government" types who eagerly defend every act of police brutality?" does not indicate that all "small gov't types" make such a defense, just that such always comes from "small government" types. That does not preclude that "small government types" do not also do not come to that defense. Now, if the statement was "only small gov't types", you'd have a point. But it didn't, so you don't.

The only reason a Republican like him might try to say libertarians support the police in cases like this is to try to erase the differences between libertarians and Republicans. That is exactly what he did, and that is why he did it.

Repeating straw men as fact does not them so. It is abundantly clear that your butthurt is trumping your reason.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

What straw man? I see a Republican telling everyone that "small government types" agree with his position on the police. Are you saying that the Republican isn't saying that "small government types" agree with him?

 

[ksen]

This current argument is certainly more important than talking about how a police station full of cops was not able to disarm a small 17 year old girl and gunned her down.

 

[laughing dog]

This current argument is certainly more important than talking about how a police station full of cops was not able to disarm a small 17 year old girl and gunned her down.

Nah, the cops helped her commit suicide. It was a "libertarian" kindness.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

It relates to it. Some people - Republicans usually - think the cops are never in the wrong. A prominent Republican on this board tried to sweep libertarians along with him in his support of that position. LD and I are arguing about whether or not that prominent Republican was actually sweeping libertarians along, or if I'm mis-reading what that prominent Republican wrote.

 

[ksen]

It relates to it. Some people - Republicans usually - think the cops are never in the wrong. A prominent Republican on this board tried to sweep libertarians along with him in his support of that position. LD and I are arguing about whether or not that prominent Republican was actually sweeping libertarians along, or if I'm mis-reading what that prominent Republican wrote.

fwiw I read that post as not saying all libertarians do that but whenever you find someone defending police brutality you'll also find that they self-identify as someone wanting smaller government.

So if you're a libertarian and you are not defending police brutality then you are not part of the group that post was about. It was more for the Loren-type "libertarians".

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So it is your interpretation that the Republican making the statement in question was specifically referring to people like Loran and specifically not referring to people like me?

 

[ksen]

That's how I took it.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Ok, but it should be noted that not all Republicans think they are "small government." Some of them recognize that they most certainly aren't. So when you see a Republican defending police brutality, it's not necessarily a case of a "small government type" defending it.

 

[ksen]

eta: I mean good god, look at max's latest thread about ramping up the war machine. Last I looked he said he's for smaller government.

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Ok, but it should be noted that not all Republicans think they are "small government." Some of them recognize that they most certainly aren't. So when you see a Republican defending police brutality, it's not necessarily a case of a "small government type" defending it.

That's probably true and you'd have to dig a little deeper than just the "republican" label.

 

[Rhea]

So it is your interpretation that the Republican making the statement in question was specifically referring to people like Loran and specifically not referring to people like me?

I took it as a subset, also. OF THOSE who support police brutality, they ALSO call for small government. Leaving open the whole other subset, of those who call for smaller government, not all are supporting Police brutality.

The circle of those who blindly support police brutality is a circle that resides completely within the circle of those who call for small government. How much of the larger circle it occupies is a question for statistics to answer.

 

[Underseer]

This current argument is certainly more important than talking about how a police station full of cops was not able to disarm a small 17 year old girl and gunned her down.

What's to understand? The state did this, therefore the state was right to do it. You would understand this if you believed in small government. [/conservolibertarian]

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ok, but it should be noted that not all Republicans think they are "small government." Some of them recognize that they most certainly aren't. So when you see a Republican defending police brutality, it's not necessarily a case of a "small government type" defending it.

Please supply me a list (with links) of Republicans that say they are for "big government".

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So, we now have a prominent Republican using his TOU-abusing flaming trolling tag to drag libertarians into his support of right-wing Republican support of police abuse. This time it is not debatable, this Republican really is describing libertarians as agreeing with his position that police abuse is acceptable.

 

[dx713]

Options include taking the discussion to its own thread, using private or visitor messages, and/or ignoring the poster trigering those derails.
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