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The original one was the  People's Party (United States) in the late 19th cy.
The Ocala Demands laid out the Populist platform: collective bargaining, federal regulation of railroad rates, an expansionary monetary policy, and a Sub-Treasury Plan that required the establishment of federally controlled warehouses to aid farmers. Other Populist-endorsed measures included bimetallism, a graduated income tax, direct election of Senators, a shorter workweek, and the establishment of a postal savings system. These measures were collectively designed to curb the influence of corporate and financial interests and empower small farmers and laborers.

But recently, former NY-12 challenger Lauren Ashcraft teased us about something with her Twitter feed.

Lauren Ashcraft 🌹 on Twitter: "Exciting announcement tomorrow! 😊" / Twitter - Aug 20
She clarified.
This announcement is not an announcement about me running for anything right now lol. Love you all and I appreciate your support for my future camapaigning!

Please forgive me - it will be announced Monday then I can share 😂😫
Timing is something out of my control but can not wait to share ❤️

Well... I’m learning a lot of lessons about pre-announcing exciting things lol. I hope you’ll all forgive me when I can finally say it, whenever that is (I won’t estimate it anymore) 😂🙏🏻❤️
Then on Aug 25, she made her announcement.
Lauren Ashcraft 🌹 on Twitter: "ITS OFFICIAL! I can spill the beans on my “big announcement!” I’m going to speak at the @4aPeoplesParty convention! 😭❤️
I’m so honored and excited! Please all come and watch!" / Twitter

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Movement for a People’s Party on Twitter: "BREAKING: @mrdannyglover and @ChrisLynnHedges will speak at The People's Convention.
They will be joined by former Democratic congressional candidates.
More than 12,000 people have registered for what is becoming a watershed moment in American politics. https://t.co/ZMjN8vJl6N" / Twitter

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Danny Glover, Chris Hedges and former progressive Democratic Party candidates speak at People's Convention
Said Ashcraft: “Time and time again I have seen the Democratic Party leadership ignore the policies that the majority of Americans want and desperately need. By comparison, the People’s Party is the brand new party of truth-tellers, people who don’t pull their punches, people whose goal is to better the lives of everyday people.”
 

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Oh goody, the Green Party is... I mean the People's Party is here to help split the left-wing vote. Hopefully it'll shift the Democrats to the left like it didn't in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016.
 

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Homepage: MPP - The People's Party
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The People's Convention on August 30, 2020
Join us on Sunday, August 30, from 4-7 pm Eastern Time for The People’s Convention.

The Convention will be digital and broadcast live to YouTube, Facebook and Twitter pages with millions of subscribers and followers. Sign up for more information and updates.
So one won't have be physically present in it.
Our vision is a major new progressive populist party that will deliver what regular people take for granted in so many other countries: single-payer health care, free public college, money out of politics, an infrastructure jobs program, a $15 minimum wage, financial regulations, and more.

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When the pandemic hit, the Democrats and Republicans spent trillions of dollars bailing out Wall Street while leaving tens of millions of people unable to afford food and housing. Movement for a People’s Party, along with our partner organizations, led more than fifty rallies, on two different Saturdays in July, to let members of Congress know: “Do the right thing, help the people, or we will evict you from office!”

The Movement for a People’s Party continues to stand in solidarity with the communities whose pain and struggle have been deeply exacerbated these past few months.
 

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Here are some of the participants in this virtual conference:

Dr. Cornel West
Professor of the Practice of Public Philosophy at Harvard University and Professor Emeritus at Princeton University. Author of 20 books and commentator on CNN. Bernie 2020 surrogate and co-host of the Tight Rope Podcast

Sen. Nina Turner
National co-chair of the Bernie Sanders 2020 presidential campaign. Host of the Hello Somebody Podcast. Former President of Our Revolution. Served Ohio in the state senate and Cleveland in the city council. Former professor of African American history

Marianne Williamson
Author, spiritual leader, activist, Democratic presidential candidate in 2020. Has written 13 books and multiple NYT bestsellers. Co-founder of the Peace Alliance.

Sen. Mike Gravel
Former U.S. Senator from Alaska. Democratic Presidential Candidate in 2020 and 2008. Read the Pentagon Papers into the public record. Founder of The National Citizens Initiative for Democracy, for direct democracy in America.

Danny Glover
Award-winning actor and activist. UNICEF Ambassador. Former Goodwill Ambassador for the United Nations Development Program. Recipient of multiple NAACP awards and Emmy nominations. Supporter of many unions, including postal unions. Bernie 2020 surrogate.

Chris Hedges
Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist, former foreign correspondent, Middle East Bureau Chief and Balkan Bureau Chief at the New York Times. Author of several best-selling books, writes for many national publications, and is host of the Emmy Award*–winning RT America show On Contact.

Jimmy Dore
Stand up comedian and Host of The Jimmy Dore Show. A leading U.S. media critic and host of several Comedy Central Specials. Author of the best seller, “Your Country Is Just Not That Into You.”

Ryan Knight
Activist, Medicare for All advocate, and host of the podcast “Amped Up with Ryan Knight.” Ryan has endorsed 35 down-ballot progressives in 2020 and is a leading national voice for the progressive movement

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Isiah James
Former candidate for U.S. House in New York’s 9th Congressional District. Housing rights organizer and a criminal justice advocate. Combat veteran of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Lauren Ashcraft
Lauren Ashcraft is a former grassroots candidate for Congress in NY-12, steering committee member for the Justice For All Coalition, planner of the Women’s March on NYC, advocate for MMT, and a standup comedian.
 

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Oh goody, the Green Party is... I mean the People's Party is here to help split the left-wing vote. Hopefully it'll shift the Democrats to the left like it didn't in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016.

Yea, totally agree. If it weren't for the green party, we'd have a much more liberal court and ironically, a much better environment. Among other things. They are the republicans best friend...
 

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Homepage: MPP - The People's Party
currently promoting
The People's Convention on August 30, 2020
Join us on Sunday, August 30, from 4-7 pm Eastern Time for The People’s Convention.

The Convention will be digital and broadcast live to YouTube, Facebook and Twitter pages with millions of subscribers and followers. Sign up for more information and updates.
So one won't have be physically present in it.
Our vision is a major new progressive populist party that will deliver what regular people take for granted in so many other countries: single-payer health care, free public college, money out of politics, an infrastructure jobs program, a $15 minimum wage, financial regulations, and more.

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When the pandemic hit, the Democrats and Republicans spent trillions of dollars bailing out Wall Street while leaving tens of millions of people unable to afford food and housing. Movement for a People’s Party, along with our partner organizations, led more than fifty rallies, on two different Saturdays in July, to let members of Congress know: “Do the right thing, help the people, or we will evict you from office!”

The Movement for a People’s Party continues to stand in solidarity with the communities whose pain and struggle have been deeply exacerbated these past few months.
So they start off by bullshitting? While the Dems and GOP did give away billions to 'small businesses' with Billion dollar plus caps on the Dow, they did write a check to every person. They did provide a substantial bonus payment for the unemployed and they put moratoriums on eviction and utility shut offs. The GOP has subsequently betrayed the nation, by not passing a bill in the Senate on a second relief package as this damn pandemic stumbles along like the Iraq occupation. The Democrats passed an extension in MAY.

These people want to help get progressives elected in the Democrat Party in districts where it is safe to do so, then do that and enact viable change, not try to go some stupid bullshit third party route that is pretty much doomed with the voting system we have in the US.

This is assuming we have elections after this November.
 

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Oh goody, the Green Party is... I mean the People's Party is here to help split the left-wing vote. Hopefully it'll shift the Democrats to the left like it didn't in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016.

Yea, totally agree. If it weren't for the green party, we'd have a much more liberal court and ironically, a much better environment. Among other things. They are the republicans best friend...
Who the heck knows what happens in the world if Gore is elected. 9/11 might never have happened, and that terrorists are escorted off the planes before they take off.

Hypothetical aside, all of the losing has shifted the Dems to the center/right, not the left. And some of these people don't get it. Our plan has worked the past 6 elections, what do we do? The same thing!
 

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The case for a people's party - The People's Party
Polls show that the large majority of Americans are progressive and almost two out of three Americans are now calling for a major new party. The number is even greater among young people and poor people.

Why? We want what regular people take for granted in so many other countries: single payer health care, free public college, money out of politics, an infrastructure jobs program, a $15 minimum wage, financial regulations, and more. We deserve these good things. If other countries can deliver these things, we know the richest nation on earth can too.

What’s in the way is not our ability, it’s the oligarchs who are making so much money and building so much power from the current system. They don’t want things to change. The money has corrupted both major parties. The oligarchs have, as writer Teodrose Fikre put it, “turned America into a nation of Aspen for the rich and Appalachia for the poor and working class.”
Among its premises: "Corrupt political parties cannot be salvaged" -- referring to the two major political parties.
 

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Oh goody, the Green Party is... I mean the People's Party is here to help split the left-wing vote. Hopefully it'll shift the Democrats to the left like it didn't in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016.

Yea, totally agree. If it weren't for the green party, we'd have a much more liberal court and ironically, a much better environment. Among other things. They are the republicans best friend...
Who the heck knows what happens in the world if Gore is elected. 9/11 might never have happened, and that terrorists are escorted off the planes before they take off.

Hypothetical aside, all of the losing has shifted the Dems to the center/right, not the left. And some of these people don't get it. Our plan has worked the past 6 elections, what do we do? The same thing!

He wouldn't have prevented 9/11. But very unlikely that he would have invaded Iraq. But regardless. Actually though, I'd say that all our losing has shifted the party to the left. Sure Biden was the most right of the democratic candidates in 2020, but he's the most left of any democratic contender since Stevenson. He's well left of Bill and Hillary and Obama. If he loses to Trump, maybe it will demonstrate that we've moved too far left. I don't know. I know that any third party splits the democratic votes. And that weakens the left.
 

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Who the heck knows what happens in the world if Gore is elected. 9/11 might never have happened, and that terrorists are escorted off the planes before they take off.

Hypothetical aside, all of the losing has shifted the Dems to the center/right, not the left. And some of these people don't get it. Our plan has worked the past 6 elections, what do we do? The same thing!

He wouldn't have prevented 9/11
Why not? We knew the terrorists were on the planes. Had any emphasis been put on the threat of terrorism, W could have had a shot. Clinton/Gore had an eye on terrorism and Richard Clarke was heavily involved in the administration. It is very possible the event is stopped. Of course, we wouldn't have known perfectly what would have been stopped.

But very unlikely that he would have invaded Iraq. But regardless. Actually though, I'd say that all our losing has shifted the party to the left. Sure Biden was the most right of the democratic candidates in 2020, but he's the most left of any democratic contender since Stevenson. He's well left of Bill and Hillary and Obama.
Is he? I'd say Obama was the most left, and he was a centrist.
If he loses to Trump, maybe it will demonstrate that we've moved too far left. I don't know.
Clinton didn't lose to Trump because she was "too far left" and Biden loses, it won't be because he was "too far left". It would be because America has lost its mind.
 

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Our plan - The People's Party
So many of us realize Congress currently does the bidding of Wall Street, corporations and billionaires — no matter which party is in power. That’s left most of us behind. The result is all our hard work and sacrifice has made the rich much richer, but not ourselves. It’s not our energy or work ethic that’s the problem. It’s the system.

The elites have escaped justice for major financial crimes, and continue to lock into place an abusive unsustainable system threatening our lives and the planet. Things must change — dramatically, and fast.
Then mentioning FDR's 1944 Bill of Economic Rights.

Among the planned actions:
Partner with and endorse independent candidates to be leaders in forming a new party.

Attract stellar independents and pull progressive organizations and influencers out of the Democratic Party into a party that truly supports them.

Launch state parties in the most progressive and independent states.

Run inspiring candidates and build a bench of elected officials.

Network our state parties into a nationally viable people’s party.
From the looks of it, this party will run candidates in areas where the Democratic Party is the dominant party, areas where the Democratic primary winner is very likely to win the general election. That will keep this party from becoming a spoiler party.

Nothing on the strategy of running as a Democrat.
 

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Our plan - The People's Party
So many of us realize Congress currently does the bidding of Wall Street, corporations and billionaires — no matter which party is in power. That’s left most of us behind. The result is all our hard work and sacrifice has made the rich much richer, but not ourselves. It’s not our energy or work ethic that’s the problem. It’s the system.

The elites have escaped justice for major financial crimes, and continue to lock into place an abusive unsustainable system threatening our lives and the planet. Things must change — dramatically, and fast.
Then mentioning FDR's 1944 Bill of Economic Rights.

Among the planned actions:
Partner with and endorse independent candidates to be leaders in forming a new party.

Attract stellar independents and pull progressive organizations and influencers out of the Democratic Party into a party that truly supports them.

Launch state parties in the most progressive and independent states.

Run inspiring candidates and build a bench of elected officials.

Network our state parties into a nationally viable people’s party.
From the looks of it, this party will run candidates in areas where the Democratic Party is the dominant party, areas where the Democratic primary winner is very likely to win the general election. That will keep this party from becoming a spoiler party.

Nothing on the strategy of running as a Democrat.

Yea, this is just brilliant strategy! Lauren Ashcraft rolls this out on August 20: what less than 90 days before the election! Wahoo! She's either being bankrolled by the right, or is dumber than shit.
 

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This plan does not mention the Presidency, something that I find a relief. That's a big problem with both the Green and the Libertarian Parties - they focus only on the Presidency and not on any other races.

The plan's mention of "state parties" suggests that the party will focus on local and state races and possibly also Congressional ones.

Our platform - The People's Party - "This People’s Platform emerged from Bernie Sanders’ first presidential campaign platform. It was developed, voted on and adopted by our members in March of 2018. The final People’s Party platform will be developed and passed by members at the founding convention in 2021."
  • An Economy That Works for Everyone: An Economic Bill of Rights, Strong Unions and Workplace Democracy, Modernize Our Infrastructure, A Fair Tax Code and Thriving Small Businesses, Rein-in Wall Street and Create Public Banks, Fair Trade
  • Defend and Uphold True Democracy: Abolish Corruption and Restore Democracy, Secure and Transparent Elections, Defend Civil Liberties
  • Respect Human Rights, Health, and Human Potential: Medicare for All, Free Public College and Quality Education, Comprehensive Immigration Reform, Respect Disability Rights
  • Protect the Environment and Defend Biodiversity: Clean Energy and Environmental Protection, Animal Welfare, Sustainable Agriculture
  • Stand for Equality and Justice: Restorative Justice, Racial Justice, Equal Rights for Women, LGBTQIA Equality, Honor Indigenous Rights
  • Create a Peaceful Global Community Benefiting from Technology: A Collaborative and Peaceful Global Community, Promise and Peril of Accelerating Technology, Take Care of Veterans
 

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This plan does not mention the Presidency, something that I find a relief. That's a big problem with both the Green and the Libertarian Parties - they focus only on the Presidency and not on any other races.

The plan's mention of "state parties" suggests that the party will focus on local and state races and possibly also Congressional ones.

Our platform - The People's Party - "This People’s Platform emerged from Bernie Sanders’ first presidential campaign platform. It was developed, voted on and adopted by our members in March of 2018. The final People’s Party platform will be developed and passed by members at the founding convention in 2021."
  • An Economy That Works for Everyone: An Economic Bill of Rights, Strong Unions and Workplace Democracy, Modernize Our Infrastructure, A Fair Tax Code and Thriving Small Businesses, Rein-in Wall Street and Create Public Banks, Fair Trade
  • Defend and Uphold True Democracy: Abolish Corruption and Restore Democracy, Secure and Transparent Elections, Defend Civil Liberties
  • Respect Human Rights, Health, and Human Potential: Medicare for All, Free Public College and Quality Education, Comprehensive Immigration Reform, Respect Disability Rights
  • Protect the Environment and Defend Biodiversity: Clean Energy and Environmental Protection, Animal Welfare, Sustainable Agriculture
  • Stand for Equality and Justice: Restorative Justice, Racial Justice, Equal Rights for Women, LGBTQIA Equality, Honor Indigenous Rights
  • Create a Peaceful Global Community Benefiting from Technology: A Collaborative and Peaceful Global Community, Promise and Peril of Accelerating Technology, Take Care of Veterans

Okay, I like it better that they arn't trying to throw the presidential election at least. Build it from the ground up. Cool. I don't have a lot of problems with the above. Not sure what "public banks" stands for. If you want the government to run out of money even faster, create a public bank! Free public education for all? I don't know about that. I think that we need to lower the barriers, make it cheaper and more affordable. But kids need to be vested to their education. Or else some will stay in college forever. There must be an economic incentive to going to college.
 

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Oh goody, the Green Party is... I mean the People's Party is here to help split the left-wing vote. Hopefully it'll shift the Democrats to the left like it didn't in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016.
Those Presidential elections? What I find interesting in what I've seen on that party's site is *lack* of mention of the Presidency. Instead, I find "Launch state parties in the most progressive and independent states."

Organizational structure - The People's Party
Self-organizing systems design

We’re using a decentralized and horizontal organizational structure known as self-organizing systems (SOS). It’s the organizing methodology that has allowed movements like Extinction Rebellion to achieve massive and rapid growth in just a matter of months (from an idea to hundreds of thousands around the world in a year).
Such decentralized organization is what one would need for relatively small-scale campaigns, like for local and state offices.

Community Agreements & Slack Workspace Guidelines - The People's Party - pretty much as one might expect: don't be nasty to each other, use Slack channels only for appropriate business, etc.
 

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From the looks of it, this party will run candidates in areas where the Democratic Party is the dominant party, areas where the Democratic primary winner is very likely to win the general election. That will keep this party from becoming a spoiler party.
The only districts where it'd be safe and not spoiling is if it is the top two primary winners are Democrats.

Nothing on the strategy of running as a Democrat.
Of course not, that'd require work, and admittedly, wedging your way into a massive political machine.
 

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I decided to look at the election-related parts of the party's platform: Defend and Uphold True Democracy - The People's Party

In "Abolish Corruption and Restore Democracy", it has a lot of stuff about getting money out of politics, and in "Secure and Transparent Elections", lots of proposed improvements in what may be called administrative details, like automatic voter registration and early voting by mail. But it also some proposals that make important structural changes: "Switch from first-past-the-post to ranked choice voting, and from single-member districts to multi-member districts."

First-past-the-post is the usual system: each voter cast one vote and the candidate with the most votes is the winner. Very simple, but with big flaws. Like the spoiler effect.

Ranked choice: rank the candidates by preference order: first preference, second preference, etc. If your first preference doesn't win, then your second-preference vote will still count, and so on down the line. So one can vote Green, then Democrat, or else Libertarian, then Republican.

Multi-member districts make possible proportional representation: each party getting seats in proportion to how many votes it has received.
 

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FAQ - The People's Party

"Why not reform the Democratic Party?"
The Democratic party does not operate democratically. A small number of party leaders, insiders, lobbyists, and superdelegates hold the decision making power. ...

Only a tiny percentage of progressive candidates are able to successfully navigate the obstacles created by the Party. Those who win then face immense pressure to conform to the will of the Party elites. History shows that new progressives quickly drop their progressive mandate in exchange for committee appointments, support for their bills, assistance fending-off well-funded primary opponents, reelection support from establishment politicians, path to higher office, reelection, and continued income.
That may be overly pessimistic, because some progressives have survived a long time in the system, like Bernie Sanders. But something that helps some of the newest progressives, like AOC, is not being dependent on the party or big donors for funding. That gives them much more independence.
 

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More from the FAQ.

"Why not join the Green Party or another existing party?"

The FAQ's writers responded that a party's name can be an important part of its identity: "he Green Party’s name unfortunately leads many to view it as a niche environmental party that sidelines other pressing issues, like the cost of health care, housing and education."

Then it discussed how the Green Party has to spend a lot of effort in getting itself on the ballot in most states every four years. The FAQ file didn't state it, but that's a reference to getting a Presidential candidate on the ballot. If a party skips the Presidency, that difficulty goes away. The party will only need to be registered where it is active and sending out candidates.
MPP’s mission is different from existing independent parties. We’re building a coalition of community organizations, student groups, unions, progressive groups, and others that can unite for a major new party. Polls consistently show that a majority of Americans want a major new party but are not enthused by existing independent parties.

More than a hundred years of social science show that when progress stalls, it takes new parties and movements to shake things up and win.

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It might seem intuitive to think that small parties that have been around for decades could grow and be more successful, but history indicates that it takes fresh new parties to captivate public imagination and succeed. New parties innovate, are more in sync with the historical moment, are technologically savvy, and inspire a sense of great possibility.
But the authors concede that one still needs a lot of more traditional expertise in campaigning.
We bring professional political and organizational knowledge and skills from having worked on Democratic Party campaigns before setting out to build a major new people’s party. We also have the networks to bring over others who remain in the establishment parties. The early Republican Party succeeded because it drew over a large number of former Whig voters, elected officials, party officials. Having recently come from the Democratic Party helps us understand, communicate, and bring over other people and groups from the Democratic Party. It also gives us the personal connections to bring over elected officials and professional campaigners to help set up the party and run winning campaigns.
But short of starting a new party, one can start a faction within an existing party, a party within a party. That's what the Tea Party did in the Republican Party, and that's what some parts of the Left are trying to do within the Democratic Party. "The Squad" is a mini-faction formed by four first-time Congresswomen, and those four seem like a very chummy bunch.
 

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Why not? We knew the terrorists were on the planes. Had any emphasis been put on the threat of terrorism, W could have had a shot. Clinton/Gore had an eye on terrorism and Richard Clarke was heavily involved in the administration. It is very possible the event is stopped. Of course, we wouldn't have known perfectly what would have been stopped.

But very unlikely that he would have invaded Iraq. But regardless. Actually though, I'd say that all our losing has shifted the party to the left. Sure Biden was the most right of the democratic candidates in 2020, but he's the most left of any democratic contender since Stevenson. He's well left of Bill and Hillary and Obama.
Is he? I'd say Obama was the most left, and he was a centrist.
If he loses to Trump, maybe it will demonstrate that we've moved too far left. I don't know.
Clinton didn't lose to Trump because she was "too far left" and Biden loses, it won't be because he was "too far left". It would be because America has lost its mind.

You made some really good points regarding 9/11. Why do you think that Obama was most left? I've never saw Obama as a left winger. I always thought of him as a moderate. A little to the left of Clinton maybe. Certainly the republicans tried to protray Obama as a far leftie in order to scare the voters. But that's how they portray all democrats. Below is a good article:

https://www.vox.com/2019/12/20/2102...-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-barack-obama

The 2020 democratic race was probably the most left group of contenders in democratic history. The party is clearly trending left. If that will be enough to fend off the 'upset and difficult to keep on the team" far left, we'll see!
 

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"Won’t a new party split the vote? (The “spoiler effect”)"

They seem rather Pollyannaish about their ability to inspire non-voters to vote. It can work, like in AOC's first campaign, where her primary election got 68% more turnout than is typical of midterm Congressional primaries, but it doesn't always work, like for Bernie Sanders earlier this year.

"How will the new party get on the ballot?"
Getting ballot access for a new party is a state-by-state process that generally requires collecting thousands to tens of thousands of petition signatures in each state.

By building a coalition of aligned labor unions and progressive groups, we can add to our resources and make quick work of those signatures.
Then pointing out the success of the Green and Libertarian Parties there.
 

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Why not? We knew the terrorists were on the planes. Had any emphasis been put on the threat of terrorism, W could have had a shot. Clinton/Gore had an eye on terrorism and Richard Clarke was heavily involved in the administration. It is very possible the event is stopped. Of course, we wouldn't have known perfectly what would have been stopped.

Is he? I'd say Obama was the most left, and he was a centrist.
Clinton didn't lose to Trump because she was "too far left" and Biden loses, it won't be because he was "too far left". It would be because America has lost its mind.

You made some really good points regarding 9/11. Why do you think that Obama was most left? I've never saw Obama as a left winger. I always thought of him as a moderate. A little to the left of Clinton maybe. Certainly the republicans tried to protray Obama as a far leftie in order to scare the voters. But that's how they portray all democrats. Below is a good article:

https://www.vox.com/2019/12/20/2102...-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-barack-obama

The 2020 democratic race was probably the most left group of contenders in democratic history. The party is clearly trending left. If that will be enough to fend off the 'upset and difficult to keep on the team" far left, we'll see!
I think Gore was only left of Obama on the environment, but I could be wrong. We were less hawkish under Obama, but still did a lot of bad shit. That may be that the generals convinced him there really was no other way, and it was really the most safe, practical way of doing whatever it is the DoD wanted to do, but I'm not convinced Gore would have been much better (possibly, but too hard for me to say).
 

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Is this another Republican effort to mess with the election?
As far as I can tell, no.

From "Our Plan", "Run inspiring candidates and build a bench of elected officials." -- that is only feasible with running candidates at lower levels of gov't. It looks as if the MPP will be doing what the Greens and Libertarians have long neglected to do: run lots of local, state, and Congressional candidates.

Movement for a People’s Party (@4aPeoplesParty) / Twitter - I searched it for hints as to the MPP's upcoming political strategies.

Movement for a People’s Party on Twitter: "@StrangeTimes10 @LeftwardSwing We're not endorsing anyone this year, but if people have the chance to vote Green (president and down ballot) go for it." / Twitter

Thus more-or-less endorsing the Green Party in this election. The MPP won't be running any candidates this time around because it's likely too late to select some candidates in time for the states' filing deadlines.

Movement for a People’s Party on Twitter: "@jackiemccaffrey Those are his only options right now. We plan on running someone for president in 2024. Plus Congressional and local candidates in the ‘21-‘24 time frame." / Twitter
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Jackie #FreeAssange McCaffrey 🌺 on Twitter: "@4aPeoplesParty @ninaturner @CornelWest Look I love Cornel but he is right now pushing for Biden and pushing AOC as a candidate for 2024. Which means he is pushing a Justice Democrat, the opposite strategy. I'm just being up front." / Twitter

I find it entertaining to watch certain people call AOC a sellout.
 

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My god sometimes people can be so absolutely fucking stupid. Unbelievably. Fucking. Stupid.

Like how hard is it to grok what FPTP means for party splitting?

As old republicans either die or give up on the party as the case may be, the party will sink into obscurity, assuming we don't end up in a fascist hellhole next year.

When that happens, when the GOP crumbles, then is the time to split the Democratic party. Not before. Then the old guard republicans will pile into the big tent, act like they were right leaning democrats all along, and the progressives will at that point be absolutely capable of saying "fuck that" and creating a progressive opposition with a real chance at success.

I'll give it about 8 years before things get to that point.
 

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My god sometimes people can be so absolutely fucking stupid. Unbelievably. Fucking. Stupid.

Like how hard is it to grok what FPTP means for party splitting?

As old republicans either die or give up on the party as the case may be, the party will sink into obscurity, assuming we don't end up in a fascist hellhole next year.

When that happens, when the GOP crumbles, then is the time to split the Democratic party. Not before. Then the old guard republicans will pile into the big tent, act like they were right leaning democrats all along, and the progressives will at that point be absolutely capable of saying "fuck that" and creating a progressive opposition with a real chance at success.

I'll give it about 8 years before things get to that point.

I see zero chance of the republican party splitting up. They are too savy compared to democrats. They are far more united than the left. Biden far more represents the left than Trump represents most republicans. Trump was (probably is still) prolife, anti-war, anti-gun, pro-gay rights, and etc. But they just love him. Biden will have a much more difficult time keeping his coalition together. Sure the republicans have a generational problem. But as some people age, they become conservative. Plus, huge plus, republicans do not need numbers on their side to win.
 

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Just what we need -- democracy, infrastructure, fairness, civil liberties, reform, equality, justice, peace, niceness

Why has no one ever had the guts to offer these innovations until now?

Our platform - The People's Party - The final People’s Party platform will be developed and passed by members at the founding convention in 2021.
  • An Economy That Works for Everyone: An Economic Bill of Rights, Strong Unions and Workplace Democracy, Modernize Our Infrastructure, A Fair Tax Code and Thriving Small Businesses, Rein-in Wall Street and Create Public Banks, Fair Trade
  • Defend and Uphold True Democracy: Abolish Corruption and Restore Democracy, Secure and Transparent Elections, Defend Civil Liberties
  • Respect Human Rights, Health, and Human Potential: Medicare for All, Free Public College and Quality Education, Comprehensive Immigration Reform, Respect Disability Rights
  • Protect the Environment and Defend Biodiversity: Clean Energy and Environmental Protection, Animal Welfare, Sustainable Agriculture
  • Stand for Equality and Justice: Restorative Justice, Racial Justice, Equal Rights for Women, LGBTQIA Equality, Honor Indigenous Rights
  • Create a Peaceful Global Community Benefiting from Technology: A Collaborative and Peaceful Global Community, Promise and Peril of Accelerating Technology, Take Care of Veterans

etc.

Wow! what a novel idea! Why didn't anyone think of this before? Obviously no political party has ever espoused the above bold new proposals.

Why has there never been a Progressive Voice until now to challenge the 2 major parties. Finally, the little guy will have a real vote. Finally we can take our country back!

At last a party for *THE PEOPLE! It's about time!


*Make sure they copyright that term "The People" before someone else tries to steal it.
 

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Why has no one ever had the guts to offer these innovations until now?

Our platform - The People's Party - The final People’s Party platform will be developed and passed by members at the founding convention in 2021.
  • An Economy That Works for Everyone: An Economic Bill of Rights, Strong Unions and Workplace Democracy, Modernize Our Infrastructure, A Fair Tax Code and Thriving Small Businesses, Rein-in Wall Street and Create Public Banks, Fair Trade
  • Defend and Uphold True Democracy: Abolish Corruption and Restore Democracy, Secure and Transparent Elections, Defend Civil Liberties
  • Respect Human Rights, Health, and Human Potential: Medicare for All, Free Public College and Quality Education, Comprehensive Immigration Reform, Respect Disability Rights
  • Protect the Environment and Defend Biodiversity: Clean Energy and Environmental Protection, Animal Welfare, Sustainable Agriculture
  • Stand for Equality and Justice: Restorative Justice, Racial Justice, Equal Rights for Women, LGBTQIA Equality, Honor Indigenous Rights
  • Create a Peaceful Global Community Benefiting from Technology: A Collaborative and Peaceful Global Community, Promise and Peril of Accelerating Technology, Take Care of Veterans

etc.

Wow! what a novel idea! Why didn't anyone think of this before? Obviously no political party has ever espoused the above bold new proposals.

Why has there never been a Progressive Voice until now to challenge the 2 major parties. Finally, the little guy will have a real vote. Finally we can take our country back!

At last a party for *THE PEOPLE! It's about time!


*Make sure they copyright that term "The People" before someone else tries to steal it.

I can tell that this thread is really worrisome for you! {I'm sure that republicans just laugh their ass off at how politically dumb the left is!}
 

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Join us on Sunday, August 30, from 4-7 pm Eastern Time for The People’s Convention.

The Convention will be digital and broadcast live to YouTube, Facebook and Twitter pages with millions of subscribers and followers. Sign up for more information and updates.
So one won't have be physically present in it.
Our vision is a major new progressive populist party that will deliver what regular people take for granted in so many other countries: single-payer health care, free public college, money out of politics, an infrastructure jobs program, a $15 minimum wage, financial regulations, and more.

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When the pandemic hit, the Democrats and Republicans spent trillions of dollars bailing out Wall Street while leaving tens of millions of people unable to afford food and housing. Movement for a People’s Party, along with our partner organizations, led more than fifty rallies, on two different Saturdays in July, to let members of Congress know: “Do the right thing, help the people, or we will evict you from office!”

The Movement for a People’s Party continues to stand in solidarity with the communities whose pain and struggle have been deeply exacerbated these past few months.

Well hooray for them. Hopefully, they will focus on town, county and state offices, and more importantly school board. Build a base. Build seriously and for the long haul. And only when you KNOW you have enough to beat the Conservatives outright do you start to take out federal offices. And only when you hold a significant portion of the congress do you try for the presidency.

Otherwise, if they are trying to parachute into the CEO job, they are Ross Perot and Ralph Nader and Bernie Sanders, handing the government to evil bastards.

I'm all for movement to the left. But it has to be real movement, not sabotage.

Start with the town offices, the county, the state. Prove that you have a following.
 

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Oh goody, the Green Party is... I mean the People's Party is here to help split the left-wing vote. Hopefully it'll shift the Democrats to the left like it didn't in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016.

Yea, totally agree. If it weren't for the green party, we'd have a much more liberal court and ironically, a much better environment. Among other things. They are the republicans best friend...

Which is why we should seriously consider ranked choice voting.
 

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Oh goody, the Green Party is... I mean the People's Party is here to help split the left-wing vote. Hopefully it'll shift the Democrats to the left like it didn't in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016.

Yea, totally agree. If it weren't for the green party, we'd have a much more liberal court and ironically, a much better environment. Among other things. They are the republicans best friend...

Which is why we should seriously consider ranked choice voting.

Sounds good to me. But the republicans would never go for this. Again, their side is far more united and far less threatened by a third party.
 

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So one won't have be physically present in it.
Well hooray for them. Hopefully, they will focus on town, county and state offices, and more importantly school board. Build a base. Build seriously and for the long haul. And only when you KNOW you have enough to beat the Conservatives outright do you start to take out federal offices. And only when you hold a significant portion of the congress do you try for the presidency.
They themselves seem to recognize the necessity of doing so. Though they plan to have a Presidential candidate in 2024, they also plan to have candidates in "local and Congressional" races over 2021-24. We'll have to see what happens this weekend. Will they be discussing their plans for local and state and Congressional races?
Otherwise, if they are trying to parachute into the CEO job, they are Ross Perot and Ralph Nader and Bernie Sanders, handing the government to evil bastards.
I agree. That the problem with the Libertarian and Green Parties.
 

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Oh goody, the Green Party is... I mean the People's Party is here to help split the left-wing vote. Hopefully it'll shift the Democrats to the left like it didn't in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016.
Yea, totally agree. If it weren't for the green party, we'd have a much more liberal court and ironically, a much better environment. Among other things. They are the republicans best friend...
Which is why we should seriously consider ranked choice voting.
I agree. As I've noted, the MPP's platform includes RCV.

That's why the MPP ought to lay off of the Presidency and focus on local and state and Congressional races. Especially those where the voters tend to vote Democratic in large fractions.

They also ought to consider supporting anyone who runs with their platform but who runs as a Democrat.
 

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I decided to look at the election-related parts of the party's platform: Defend and Uphold True Democracy - The People's Party

In "Abolish Corruption and Restore Democracy", it has a lot of stuff about getting money out of politics, and in "Secure and Transparent Elections", lots of proposed improvements in what may be called administrative details, like automatic voter registration and early voting by mail. But it also some proposals that make important structural changes: "Switch from first-past-the-post to ranked choice voting, and from single-member districts to multi-member districts."

First-past-the-post is the usual system: each voter cast one vote and the candidate with the most votes is the winner. Very simple, but with big flaws. Like the spoiler effect.

Ranked choice: rank the candidates by preference order: first preference, second preference, etc. If your first preference doesn't win, then your second-preference vote will still count, and so on down the line. So one can vote Green, then Democrat, or else Libertarian, then Republican.

Multi-member districts make possible proportional representation: each party getting seats in proportion to how many votes it has received.

I'm on board with those changes.
 

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Which is why we should seriously consider ranked choice voting.
I agree. As I've noted, the MPP's platform includes RCV.

That's why the MPP ought to lay off of the Presidency and focus on local and state and Congressional races. Especially those where the voters tend to vote Democratic in large fractions.

They also ought to consider supporting anyone who runs with their platform but who runs as a Democrat.
It would be nice, if they do get into office, to start immediately pushing for voting reform (instant runoff/ranked/whatever). Since it is up to each individual state, this is the way to get that ball rolling.
 

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Some places already use RCV, like San Francisco CA, Oakland CA, Minneapolis MN, and Maine. There are ballot measures to adopt it in Massachusetts, Alaska, and some other places.

It was used in the Presidential primaries this year in Alaska, Wyoming, Kansas, and Hawaii, though with a modification: the count stops when all the surviving candidates have at least 15% of the total vote. Though Joe Biden won all of them, it was interesting to see who got votes from whom.

RCV, strictly speaking, describes the ballots. The usual way of counting is Instant Runoff Voting (IRV):
  • Count the top votes.
  • if any candidate wins a majority, then that candidate wins.
  • Drop from later counting the candidate with the fewest top votes.
  • Repeat.

Presidential Primary Polling Project - polls of the 2016 and 2020 Presidential primaries with RCV. Here also, one can see who got votes from whom.

DemoChoice Polls - do-it-yourself IRV polls.

Condorcet Internet Voting Service - uses RCV ballots, but uses some vote-counting algorithms other than IRV. In particular, it turns the voting into a matrix of one-on-one contests, the "Condorcet matrix", and works from there.
 

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Though IRV has the virtue of being essentially spoiler-proof, it sometimes produces odd results.  2009 Burlington mayoral election was such an election, and it led to the city backing off from IRV.

The candidates were Andy Montroll (Democrat), Kurt Wright (Republican), Bob Kiss (Progressive), Dan Smith (Independent), and James Simpson (Green).

IRV rounds:
  1. DS JS dropped, leaving AM KW BK
  2. AM dropped, leaving KW BK
  3. KW dropped, leaving BK
Winners with methods:
  • KW: FPTP
  • BK: TopTwo, IRV
  • AM: Borda (ranks->ratings), Condorcet methods (their winner is the one-on-one winner, if there is such a winner)
In fact, the candidates form a good one-on-one victory sequence: AM, BK, KW, DS, JS
 

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2009 Burlington VT Mayor votes aggregated

However, I went to Minneapolis's election-results site, and I downloaded all the ballot data for the city's 66 RCV elections. Of these elections, 22 of them did not have a first-preference majority. But nevertheless, every one of them had agreement between the IRV winner and the Condorcet one-on-one winner. Only four of them had a disagreement between the FPTP winner and the IRV (and Condorcet) winner.

But that does not mean that IRV was adopted in vain, because it shows the strengths of the mandates of the winners when the voters are not afraid of wasting their votes.


I'll be searching for ballot data on San Francisco, Oakland, and Maine.

Australia and Ireland have used IRV for some decades, so I could look there also for ballot data.
 

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EXCLUSIVE: Cornel West On Whether The Left Should Stick With Dem Party Or Make A Clean BREAK - YouTube

Krystal Ball interviews Cornel West.

CW endorses voting for Joe Biden as the lesser of the two major-party evils. Even though he is too wimpy to take on the many problems that we face, too wedded to the sorts of neoliberal paradigms that got us into this mess.

As to working within the Democratic Party vs. building a third party, it's an awkward dilemma. Consider how the Democratic establishment screwed over Bernie Sanders.

As to building a working-people coalition, that's going to be awfully hard. A lot of the white working class likes the Republican Party, and a lot of the black and Hispanic working class likes the Democratic Party.

Nothing on what's going on in the People's Party, however.
 

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They themselves seem to recognize the necessity of doing so. Though they plan to have a Presidential candidate in 2024, they also plan to have candidates in "local and Congressional" races over 2021-24. We'll have to see what happens this weekend. Will they be discussing their plans for local and state and Congressional races?

2024 is too soon. It’s the very next election. They need to establish positions in congress first. Or they are just trying to parachute into the CEO job and will hand it to those farthest from their ideas, as did Perot, Nader and Sanders.

Build the base. Build the legislatures, the school boards, the county boards and the town boards. Build that. Take the time to do it solid. Caucus with the party most like you until you are sure you can absolutely, on your own, beat the party least like you. Until then. Coalition and build.
 

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Is this another Republican effort to mess with the election?
As far as I can tell, no.

From "Our Plan", "Run inspiring candidates and build a bench of elected officials." -- that is only feasible with running candidates at lower levels of gov't. It looks as if the MPP will be doing what the Greens and Libertarians have long neglected to do: run lots of local, state, and Congressional candidates.

The Republicans have funded other candidates to try to divide the Democrat vote.
 

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EXCLUSIVE: Cornel West On Whether The Left Should Stick With Dem Party Or Make A Clean BREAK - YouTube

Krystal Ball interviews Cornel West.

CW endorses voting for Joe Biden as the lesser of the two major-party evils. Even though he is too wimpy to take on the many problems that we face, too wedded to the sorts of neoliberal paradigms that got us into this mess.

As to working within the Democratic Party vs. building a third party, it's an awkward dilemma. Consider how the Democratic establishment screwed over Bernie Sanders.

As to building a working-people coalition, that's going to be awfully hard. A lot of the white working class likes the Republican Party, and a lot of the black and Hispanic working class likes the Democratic Party.

Nothing on what's going on in the People's Party, however.

How in the world did Bernie get screwed? I've heard this from others as well, not just you. Is it your opinion that a person running for the first time should be allowed to allowed to win with fewer votes? Then when he ran against Biden, he was very well known. Why should he be appointed the position with fewer votes than Biden? As an aside, I liked Kloboucher the most. But I didn't want her to win unless she got the most votes. And I certainly didn't think that she got "screwed by the establishment".
 

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EXCLUSIVE: Cornel West On Whether The Left Should Stick With Dem Party Or Make A Clean BREAK - YouTube

Krystal Ball interviews Cornel West.

CW endorses voting for Joe Biden as the lesser of the two major-party evils. Even though he is too wimpy to take on the many problems that we face, too wedded to the sorts of neoliberal paradigms that got us into this mess.

As to working within the Democratic Party vs. building a third party, it's an awkward dilemma. Consider how the Democratic establishment screwed over Bernie Sanders.

As to building a working-people coalition, that's going to be awfully hard. A lot of the white working class likes the Republican Party, and a lot of the black and Hispanic working class likes the Democratic Party.

Nothing on what's going on in the People's Party, however.

How in the world did Bernie get screwed? I've heard this from others as well, not just you. Is it your opinion that a person running for the first time should be allowed to allowed to win with fewer votes? Then when he ran against Biden, he was very well known. Why should he be appointed the position with fewer votes than Biden? As an aside, I liked Kloboucher the most. But I didn't want her to win unless she got the most votes. And I certainly didn't think that she got "screwed by the establishment".

I wonder aboout this complaint, too. Bernie Spent 40 years saying how awful the Dems were. Then when he went asking for their support, he was blindsided by the fact that they didn’t all drop their candidate and sing his praises, and he was incensed that without those praises, he didn’t have the campaign to change their minds himself? I alway wondered what Sanders and his supporters thought was supposd to happen among all the people Sanders had been insulting for 40 years. That always seemed odd to me.

Sanders ran his own campaign, no one guaranteed him support, nor even promised him any because he had always sppit on it. He ran his own campaign and he didn’t have as much support as he thought. Maybe slinging mud all those years was a bad idea.
 

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EXCLUSIVE: Cornel West On Whether The Left Should Stick With Dem Party Or Make A Clean BREAK - YouTube

Krystal Ball interviews Cornel West.

CW endorses voting for Joe Biden as the lesser of the two major-party evils. Even though he is too wimpy to take on the many problems that we face, too wedded to the sorts of neoliberal paradigms that got us into this mess.

As to working within the Democratic Party vs. building a third party, it's an awkward dilemma. Consider how the Democratic establishment screwed over Bernie Sanders.

As to building a working-people coalition, that's going to be awfully hard. A lot of the white working class likes the Republican Party, and a lot of the black and Hispanic working class likes the Democratic Party.

Nothing on what's going on in the People's Party, however.

How in the world did Bernie get screwed? I've heard this from others as well, not just you. Is it your opinion that a person running for the first time should be allowed to allowed to win with fewer votes? Then when he ran against Biden, he was very well known. Why should he be appointed the position with fewer votes than Biden? As an aside, I liked Kloboucher the most. But I didn't want her to win unless she got the most votes. And I certainly didn't think that she got "screwed by the establishment".

I wonder aboout this complaint, too. Bernie Spent 40 years saying how awful the Dems were. Then when he went asking for their support, he was blindsided by the fact that they didn’t all drop their candidate and sing his praises, and he was incensed that without those praises, he didn’t have the campaign to change their minds himself? I alway wondered what Sanders and his supporters thought was supposd to happen among all the people Sanders had been insulting for 40 years. That always seemed odd to me.

Sanders ran his own campaign, no one guaranteed him support, nor even promised him any because he had always sppit on it. He ran his own campaign and he didn’t have as much support as he thought. Maybe slinging mud all those years was a bad idea.

Very good point. And I've also heard some Bernie supporters say that some of the southern vote (which went Biden very strongly) should be discounted because some of those folks are "democrats in name only". Or that they are not the true base of the party. What! I'm sorry but the base is no longer white North eastern people! Having said that, we need a strong diverse base made of all Americans. And since we're losing elections despite having far more voters, we cannot afford to disenfranchise any democratic voter. Therefore, whoever gets the most votes needs to get the nod.
 

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Though IRV has the virtue of being essentially spoiler-proof, it sometimes produces odd results.  2009 Burlington mayoral election was such an election, and it led to the city backing off from IRV.

The candidates were Andy Montroll (Democrat), Kurt Wright (Republican), Bob Kiss (Progressive), Dan Smith (Independent), and James Simpson (Green).

IRV rounds:
  1. DS JS dropped, leaving AM KW BK
  2. AM dropped, leaving KW BK
  3. KW dropped, leaving BK
Winners with methods:
  • KW: FPTP
  • BK: TopTwo, IRV
  • AM: Borda (ranks->ratings), Condorcet methods (their winner is the one-on-one winner, if there is such a winner)
In fact, the candidates form a good one-on-one victory sequence: AM, BK, KW, DS, JS

I'm a fan of condorcet (although I can never remember the name) and closely related variants. It generally ends up providing a winner that is the most acceptable to the largest number of people... which also suggests they would be the most effective and the most representative of "the people" as a whole.
 

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How in the world did Bernie get screwed?

I wonder aboout this complaint, too.

I don't know about screwed, exactly... but I do think there was a missed opportunity there. I actually think there was some short-sightedness from the Democratic Party by focusing on it from a purely party perspective.

In 2016, if Bernie had won the nomination, I would have voted for him rather than third party. For this year, if Bernie had won out over Biden, I'd have no hesitation voting for him. As it stands... I'm probably going to vote third party again. I know a LOT of people who feel the same way I do, but most of them aren't registered Democrats, and in a lot of states, you can't vote in the primaries unless you're registered for that party. I think the Dems missed out on a lot of independent support that I think Bernie could have garnered.

Even if I think some of his plans are too extreme and wouldn't work out, I respected Bernie, and I believe that he actually wanted to support the people, and wasn't in it for himself.
 

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How in the world did Bernie get screwed?

I wonder aboout this complaint, too.

I don't know about screwed, exactly... but I do think there was a missed opportunity there. I actually think there was some short-sightedness from the Democratic Party by focusing on it from a purely party perspective.

In 2016, if Bernie had won the nomination, I would have voted for him rather than third party. For this year, if Bernie had won out over Biden, I'd have no hesitation voting for him. As it stands... I'm probably going to vote third party again. I know a LOT of people who feel the same way I do, but most of them aren't registered Democrats, and in a lot of states, you can't vote in the primaries unless you're registered for that party. I think the Dems missed out on a lot of independent support that I think Bernie could have garnered.

Even if I think some of his plans are too extreme and wouldn't work out, I respected Bernie, and I believe that he actually wanted to support the people, and wasn't in it for himself.

I would rather someone have high hopes and big plans that congress won't act on than someone who has small plans and inspires no hope doing little to nothing.

At any rate, the republicans have been delaying an inevitable economic correction for a while now, and I expect them to stop kicking the can and leaving a mess for Biden to clean up, if Biden wins. I don't know if Biden is even capable of handling that massive shitshow.

That said, he's definitely more capable than any other viable alternative.
 

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A Convention to Believe In: Movement For A People’s Party is Ready to Make History – Due Dissidence
Do we continue to press for reform of the Democratic Party from within, or take on the admittedly daunting project of building a new party from without?

Nick Braña, political outreach coordinator for the 2016 Bernie Sanders campaign, has been persuasively arguing the latter since the days after that election cycle ended. He penned a piece in the Huffington Post shortly after Trump’s victory entitled “Sanders Can Be The Lincoln Of Our Times.” In it, he made the case for why Bernie ought to found a major new political party, and subsequently led a “Draft Bernie” movement in attempt to recruit him to do just that. When it became clear that Sanders wasn’t interested, Bernie’s name was dropped from the campaign, and the Movement for a People’s Party was born.

For the past three years, MPP has been tirelessly organizing and broadening its coalition, partnering with allied groups like the Poor People’s Campaign, Zero Hour, Move to Amend, and others.
Lots of activist groups.

I also note from this party's plan that it plans to attract disaffected voters. But they've heard a lot of promises from politicians before, promises that those politicians seem to them have broken. Politicians like Barack Obama.

So the MPP is better off running its candidates in strongly Democratic districts -- and supporting candidates who would prefer to run as Democrats.
 

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2024 is too soon. It’s the very next election. They need to establish positions in congress first. Or they are just trying to parachute into the CEO job and will hand it to those farthest from their ideas, as did Perot, Nader and Sanders.
Or John Anderson, for that matter. I'm old enough to remember a joke about the 1980 Presidential campaign that it was like a Grecian Formula hair-dye commercial. Anderson: no dye, Carter: some dye, Reagan: all dye.

Build the base. Build the legislatures, the school boards, the county boards and the town boards. Build that. Take the time to do it solid. Caucus with the party most like you until you are sure you can absolutely, on your own, beat the party least like you. Until then. Coalition and build.
I agree.

 Brand New Congress has more of a sense of strategy than what I've seen from the MPP so far. Here's why I say that. In early 2016, Bernie Sanders's first Presidential campaign was winding down. Some of his campaigners thought of what to do next. They decided that a good President would not be anything without a good Congress, something likely provoked by watching what trouble Congress was for President Obama. So they decided to campaign for the election of Congresspeople.

BNC's founders originally wanted to run BNC as a European-style political party, with unified messaging. But they saw how little success third parties have had in the US, so they decided not to create a new party. Instead, most of their candidates would run as Democrats and Republicans, as appropriate, with some of them being Independents.

They wanted to run a candidate for every available Congressional seat: all 435 House seats and 33 or 34 Senate seats, but they were unable to recruit the necessary number of candidates in time for 2018, the first opportunity. They settled for 30 candidates, 28 Democrats, 1 Republican, and 1 Independent. Of the major-party candidates, only 9 Democrats and no Republicans won their primaries. Only one candidate won in the general election, one of the Democrats: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

She won in good part because she ran as a Democrat. This made it easy for her to win the general election, because her district, NY-14, votes heavily Democratic. That also meant that she had to win the primary, and that was a major struggle for her and her campaigners, even with incumbent Joe Crowley's complacency and neglect of his district.

She was joined by Ayanna Pressley in 2018, and she will likely be joined by Marie Newman, Jamaal Bowman, and Cori Bush this year.
 

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How in the world did Bernie get screwed?

I wonder aboout this complaint, too.

I don't know about screwed, exactly... but I do think there was a missed opportunity there. I actually think there was some short-sightedness from the Democratic Party by focusing on it from a purely party perspective.

In 2016, if Bernie had won the nomination, I would have voted for him rather than third party. For this year, if Bernie had won out over Biden, I'd have no hesitation voting for him. As it stands... I'm probably going to vote third party again. I know a LOT of people who feel the same way I do, but most of them aren't registered Democrats, and in a lot of states, you can't vote in the primaries unless you're registered for that party. I think the Dems missed out on a lot of independent support that I think Bernie could have garnered.

Even if I think some of his plans are too extreme and wouldn't work out, I respected Bernie, and I believe that he actually wanted to support the people, and wasn't in it for himself.

With respect, I doubt that anyone who would even consider voting third party in 2020, helping Trump, would not be reachable by any nominal democrat. Secondly, there's no way we can ignore the popular vote that went with Biden (who was majority non white vote) for the white guy with fewer votes and delegates. That would absolutely destroy the democratic party.
 
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