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'DemExit': virtual convention aims to create US leftwing alternative | US news | The Guardian
The convention revives an evergreen debate on the left: whether to follow the likes of Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York and reform the Democratic party from within, or to conclude that it is irredeemably beholden to corporate interests and walk away to create something new.

The MPP, founded by a variety of Senator Bernie Sanders’ 2016 campaign staff, delegates and volunteers, embraces the latter approach. The party’s website has a page headlined “#DemExit” that declares: “Dear DNC: This is our Declaration of Independence from your Corporate Party.”
Democrats seem united on defeating Trump.
Although America prides itself on giving consumers freedom of choice over everything from television to ice cream, it does not boast the type of multiparty democracies seen in Europe and elsewhere. The MPP contends that the current duopoly will never deliver single-payer Medicare for All, higher education as a human right, a solution to the climate crisis or the dismantling of mass incarceration.

Others speaking at the People’s Convention, however, are reluctant to give up on the Democrats altogether. Nina Turner, a co-chair of Sanders’ primary campaign in 2020 and member of the Democratic national committee, said: “I support the movement and I am very clear that there are some progressives who want to ‘#DemExit’ but there are some progressives who believe, ‘It’s my party, I can cry if I want to and I’m going stay inside and push’.

“I support both of those forces because I think at the end of the day, even though they might be going down slightly different roads, they are parallel and the end point is the same. That’s why I’m speaking at this convention: that yearning that some have to form another party, and also I do recognise and support those who say that they’re gonna stay inside the Democratic party and give ’em hell and keep pushing them to the left. Both of those forces are needed. I consider those yin and yang.”

Turner, a former Ohio state senator, does not believe there will be a significant leftwing rebellion against Biden in this year’s election. “The majority of progressives, including ‘Berniecrats’, voted for Secretary Clinton in 2016 and I see that same thing happening in 2020. This will be more of a vote against President Donald J Trump for most progressives than it will be a vote for Vice-President Biden. It’s a binary choice.”

But if Biden is elected, the progressive movement will not give him an easy ride, she added. “We are a fire and the fire is burning and making it very clear that business as usual is not going to be accepted. We’ve got two dragons to slay as I see them for leftists, and that is to slay the dragon of neo-fascism and then slay the dragon of neo-liberalism.”
 

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The Peoples Convention 2020 - YouTube - length 5:22:25

Live Stream - Movement for a People's Party : WayOfTheBern - I looked through the comments for anything that the speakers said.

I also searched with #PeoplesConvention in Twitter.

Lauren Ashcraft, former NY-12 candidate, argued that all cops are bad - ACAB. I find that to be simplistic and dumb.

Some of the speakers discussed Universal Basic Income - and one of them defended billionaires, using Bill Gates as an example.

The USPS union guy did some Bible-thumping.

The only issue voted on was whether to form a new party -- as far as I can tell, it won by a large margin.
 

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Adam Volle on Twitter: "I’ll watch the #PeoplesConvention at some point but mainly in hopes they explain how the #PeoplesParty wins seats. Running on the Democratic ballot is a real strategy that’s made actual gains, unlike the Green Party." / Twitter

That's also my main interest in watching it.

Why not the Green Party?

🔬🪐 unimportant 🌹🏴 on Twitter: "@TomHanson928 @4aPeoplesParty The green party is an establishment formed by people who aren’t serious about winning, politically. It’s not been built to be a useful platform for progressives. Not trying to antagonize the green party; it has its own uses, but not electorally." / Twitter

It was founded in 1984. That's 36 years ago. It also seems obsessed with the Presidency. It doesn't try very hard to get Green candidates into local or state or Congressional offices.


Y. Selier on Twitter: "@SilviaGrace19 @krystalball The silence of the so-called independent media is deafening, @theintercept, @ryangrim, @KyleKulinski, @tyt, @politico Where is #PeoplesConvention coverage?" / Twitter

One of the only news outlets to cover this convention:
More Than 400,000 Tune In to 'People's Convention'; Overwhelmingly Vote to Form New Party | Independent Voter News
Speakers at The People’s Convention included former Bernie 2020 Co-Chair Sen. Nina Turner and Harvard Professor Dr. Cornel West, who MPP says electrified the crowd as they decried what Turner called a “racist, bigoted system” that disenfranchises and oppresses Blacks, the working poor, and the increasing rates of near-poor.

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The People’s Convention also featured former Democratic presidential candidate Marianne Williamson, UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador Danny Glover, former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Chris Hedges, Amped Up host Ryan Knight, and political commentator Jimmy Dore.

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MPP is now working on organizing local hubs around the country that the groups says “will form the building blocks of state parties and get ballot access.” The People’s Party, MPP adds, will run for Congress in 2022 and president in 2024.
That's actually sensible, but it remains to be seen how well MPP follows up on that.
 

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I don't know about screwed, exactly... but I do think there was a missed opportunity there. I actually think there was some short-sightedness from the Democratic Party by focusing on it from a purely party perspective.

In 2016, if Bernie had won the nomination, I would have voted for him rather than third party. For this year, if Bernie had won out over Biden, I'd have no hesitation voting for him. As it stands... I'm probably going to vote third party again. I know a LOT of people who feel the same way I do, but most of them aren't registered Democrats, and in a lot of states, you can't vote in the primaries unless you're registered for that party. I think the Dems missed out on a lot of independent support that I think Bernie could have garnered.

Even if I think some of his plans are too extreme and wouldn't work out, I respected Bernie, and I believe that he actually wanted to support the people, and wasn't in it for himself.

With respect, I doubt that anyone who would even consider voting third party in 2020, helping Trump, would not be reachable by any nominal democrat. Secondly, there's no way we can ignore the popular vote that went with Biden (who was majority non white vote) for the white guy with fewer votes and delegates. That would absolutely destroy the democratic party.

My vote will neither help nor harm either party. My state's a done deal. If I lived somewhere that was going to be a close race, I would vote for Biden. But as it is, Trump will win my state no matter what I do.
 

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I don't know about screwed, exactly... but I do think there was a missed opportunity there. I actually think there was some short-sightedness from the Democratic Party by focusing on it from a purely party perspective.

In 2016, if Bernie had won the nomination, I would have voted for him rather than third party. For this year, if Bernie had won out over Biden, I'd have no hesitation voting for him. As it stands... I'm probably going to vote third party again. I know a LOT of people who feel the same way I do, but most of them aren't registered Democrats, and in a lot of states, you can't vote in the primaries unless you're registered for that party. I think the Dems missed out on a lot of independent support that I think Bernie could have garnered.

Even if I think some of his plans are too extreme and wouldn't work out, I respected Bernie, and I believe that he actually wanted to support the people, and wasn't in it for himself.

With respect, I doubt that anyone who would even consider voting third party in 2020, helping Trump, would not be reachable by any nominal democrat. Secondly, there's no way we can ignore the popular vote that went with Biden (who was majority non white vote) for the white guy with fewer votes and delegates. That would absolutely destroy the democratic party.

My vote will neither help nor harm either party. My state's a done deal. If I lived somewhere that was going to be a close race, I would vote for Biden. But as it is, Trump will win my state no matter what I do.

I think that a lot of people assumed the same in 2016. Your vote probably will go Trump. But I just feel that we need to make sure that every vote counts this election. I think that we need to send a message and beat Trump with the largest possible margin.
 

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My vote will neither help nor harm either party. My state's a done deal. If I lived somewhere that was going to be a close race, I would vote for Biden. But as it is, Trump will win my state no matter what I do.

I think that a lot of people assumed the same in 2016. Your vote probably will go Trump. But I just feel that we need to make sure that every vote counts this election. I think that we need to send a message and beat Trump with the largest possible margin.
The fact that Emily lives in AZ, and doesn't realize, or pretends not to know, that it may actually be a swing state this election, makes it sound like she's already starting to make excuses.

Plausible deniability and all that.
 

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My vote will neither help nor harm either party. My state's a done deal. If I lived somewhere that was going to be a close race, I would vote for Biden. But as it is, Trump will win my state no matter what I do.

I think that a lot of people assumed the same in 2016. Your vote probably will go Trump. But I just feel that we need to make sure that every vote counts this election. I think that we need to send a message and beat Trump with the largest possible margin.
The fact that Emily lives in AZ, and doesn't realize, or pretends not to know, that it may actually be a swing state this election, makes it sound like she's already starting to make excuses.

Plausible deniability and all that.

Oh yea, Arizona is definitely in play.
 

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My vote will neither help nor harm either party. My state's a done deal. If I lived somewhere that was going to be a close race, I would vote for Biden. But as it is, Trump will win my state no matter what I do.

I think that a lot of people assumed the same in 2016. Your vote probably will go Trump. But I just feel that we need to make sure that every vote counts this election. I think that we need to send a message and beat Trump with the largest possible margin.

My vote won't go to Trump, I don't know why you're assuming that.

And my 3rd party vote in 2016 had absolutely zero impact on WA's EC count going to Clinton.
 

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My vote will neither help nor harm either party. My state's a done deal. If I lived somewhere that was going to be a close race, I would vote for Biden. But as it is, Trump will win my state no matter what I do.

I think that a lot of people assumed the same in 2016. Your vote probably will go Trump. But I just feel that we need to make sure that every vote counts this election. I think that we need to send a message and beat Trump with the largest possible margin.
The fact that Emily lives in AZ, and doesn't realize, or pretends not to know, that it may actually be a swing state this election, makes it sound like she's already starting to make excuses.

Plausible deniability and all that.

It would be awfully nice if you didn't make such malicious assumptions quite so frequently.

No, I didn't realize AZ is on the fence. I'll pay a lot more attention when it gets to late October.
 

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My vote will neither help nor harm either party. My state's a done deal. If I lived somewhere that was going to be a close race, I would vote for Biden. But as it is, Trump will win my state no matter what I do.

I think that a lot of people assumed the same in 2016. Your vote probably will go Trump. But I just feel that we need to make sure that every vote counts this election. I think that we need to send a message and beat Trump with the largest possible margin.

My vote won't go to Trump, I don't know why you're assuming that.

And my 3rd party vote in 2016 had absolutely zero impact on WA's EC count going to Clinton.

I didn't mean to offend. I thought that you were in Arizona. And my point is that whether you vote Trump, Biden or third party, if the state goes Trump, your vote goes to Trump. That's the fucking EC. Don't like it. But yea, Washington will mostly likely go Biden. However, polls are tightening. I'm not taking anything for granted. Too much is at stake. My vote will count this election.
 

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My vote won't go to Trump, I don't know why you're assuming that.

And my 3rd party vote in 2016 had absolutely zero impact on WA's EC count going to Clinton.

I didn't mean to offend. I thought that you were in Arizona. And my point is that whether you vote Trump, Biden or third party, if the state goes Trump, your vote goes to Trump. That's the fucking EC. Don't like it. But yea, Washington will mostly likely go Biden. However, polls are tightening. I'm not taking anything for granted. Too much is at stake. My vote will count this election.

Ahh, yes, gotcha. Although, Worldtraveller pointed out that AZ is not a given this year.
 

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I finally watched it: The Peoples Convention 2020 - YouTube - a lot of speeches about how corrupt our political system is, but rather short on specifics on organizing a new party, except at the end. But I must note that Marianne Williamson noted that a lot of change has been the result of organizing outside the two major parties. That's an argument for activist movements in general, and not necessarily additional political parties.

The end of it had several people alternate in delivering a speech on how to organize. They talked about building local hubs and state parties. Part of it was identifying local activist organizations and judging which would be helpful to them and which would oppose them. They talked about supporting runs for a lot of local and state offices in 2022, and the Presidency in 2024. No mention of Congress, even though they could also be supporting runs for Congress in 2022. Unlike some apologists for certain parties, they didn't whine that they need to have a candidate for President just to have ballot access.

They did not discuss supporting candidates inside the existing two parties. This is a problem, since most of the progressives in Congress got there because they ran as Democrats, rather than in some other parties. A good part of it was running in districts that are full of yellow-dog Democrats, people who vote blue no matter who.

But all in all, if they can build a party apparat, they will be in much better shape than parties like the Libertarians and the Greens, who only run candidates for President.

See The 7 Most Requested Talks From The People's Convention - has video from Nina Turner, Cornel West, Marianne Williamson, Chris Hedges, Jimmy Dore, Nick Brana, and Ryan Knight.
 

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PeoplesPartyUSA - Twitch - has a Presidential-debate response and some national-call videos.

I watched its most recent national call, and it discussed how People's Party hubs were being formed all over the US, in nearly all 50 states. I also saw mention of how the MPP was getting on the ballot: by registering as a party rather than getting signatures for a candidate, the Green Party's approach. This approach would work for local and state and Congressional candidates, as well as for a Presidential candidate, but that talk did not discuss their efforts in that. This has to be done in every state with a MPP candidate, and they mentioned how they seemed to be headed for success in California.

Movement for a People's Party - YouTube - with the convention video cut up into all its contributors' speeches.

PeoplesPartyUSA on Reddit.

Movement for a People's Party - Home on Facebook

Movement for a People’s Party (@peoplespartyus) • Instagram photos and videos

Movement for a People’s Party (@4aPeoplesParty) / Twitter

Movement For A People's Party - A Party For Us their home page
 

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Bernie groups break free of Dems: New party rising? - NationofChange

Our Revolution Chapters Are Joining MPP Marking A Momentous Shift Towards A Major New People's Party In The Progressive Movement - The People's Party mentions Bernie Sanders supporters who have associated themselves with the MPP. Like the Our Revolution chapters of Los Angeles, Central Connecticut, and Oregon, and "We Want Bernie" of Worcester MA.

Back to NationOfChange. Author Jonathan H. Martin notes that its policy positions are what many progressives want, and that it has done a good job of getting endorsements from a variety of progressive activists and journalists and the like.
On the other hand, there are reasons to think carefully before signing on with the MPP. First and most obviously, some of the group’s claims about what its proposed party can accomplish sound strikingly grandiose.
Like expecting to be the biggest party in 2024. Not something that I'd bet on.
Second and also worrisome, there are indications that the MPP may not be a sufficiently grassroots and democratic outfit, despite calling itself a “movement” and highlighting its formal “decentralized and horizontal organizational structure.” Brana seems to be the main spokesperson, in addition to being the group’s sole official founder and national coordinator (until recently called the “director”). The MPP’s news postings and press releases regularly spotlight him and refer comparatively little to other members. This raises important questions about how much power Brana really shares with the rest of the MPP.
The author then advocates a more decentralized approach. "Concrete, locally driven and locally oriented party-building would predominate for the foreseeable future." - a lot of local efforts that would coordinate in broader efforts.
Crucially, Progressive parties would carefully choose their campaigns so as to maximize the chances for catalyzing victories. Ordinarily, Progressive candidates would have to be willing and able to run competitively, unlike the common Green and Libertarian candidates who lose by huge margins and tarnish their party’s public image. A good local candidate would normally need to have a clear, simple populist message; strong community or movement connections; a commitment to work long and hard to reach voters; and in many cases, an adequately resourced campaign operation with a substantial crew of helpers. Location would also matter. Some of the best settings for a Progressive breakthrough could be smaller or less populated districts where it is easier to interact with most voters; communities where one major party dominates (thereby reducing the chance of splitting the left-leaning vote); or places where the political establishment has become entrenched, overconfident, and unresponsive to organized popular demands. And a national independent Progressive PAC (such as this new group) could channel additional resources to only the most capable Progressive campaigns in the country.
Can anyone say AOC? Much of that describes very well how she ran against Joe Crowley in NY-14 in 2018.
  • Clear, simple populist message? Yes. Opposition to Big Money. Medicare for All. Etc.
  • Strong community or movement connections? Some at first. AOC was doing some activism and campaigning.
  • A commitment to work long and hard to reach voters? AOC wore holes in her shoes doing that.
  • Smaller or less populated districts? Yes. NY-14 is E Bronx & N Queens, easy to travel to.
  • Communities where one major party dominates? Yes, the Republican Party is insignificant in NY-14.
  • Places where the political establishment has become entrenched, overconfident, and unresponsive to organized popular demands? Yes, Joe Crowley was mainly doing power politics.
Yet AOC ran as a Democrat. It she had run as (say) a Green, she would have lost miserably.

That's something that the People's Party has yet to address.
 

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Bernie groups break free of Dems: New party rising? - NationofChange

Our Revolution Chapters Are Joining MPP Marking A Momentous Shift Towards A Major New People's Party In The Progressive Movement - The People's Party mentions Bernie Sanders supporters who have associated themselves with the MPP. Like the Our Revolution chapters of Los Angeles, Central Connecticut, and Oregon, and "We Want Bernie" of Worcester MA.

Back to NationOfChange. Author Jonathan H. Martin notes that its policy positions are what many progressives want, and that it has done a good job of getting endorsements from a variety of progressive activists and journalists and the like.

Like expecting to be the biggest party in 2024. Not something that I'd bet on.

The author then advocates a more decentralized approach. "Concrete, locally driven and locally oriented party-building would predominate for the foreseeable future." - a lot of local efforts that would coordinate in broader efforts.
Crucially, Progressive parties would carefully choose their campaigns so as to maximize the chances for catalyzing victories. Ordinarily, Progressive candidates would have to be willing and able to run competitively, unlike the common Green and Libertarian candidates who lose by huge margins and tarnish their party’s public image. A good local candidate would normally need to have a clear, simple populist message; strong community or movement connections; a commitment to work long and hard to reach voters; and in many cases, an adequately resourced campaign operation with a substantial crew of helpers. Location would also matter. Some of the best settings for a Progressive breakthrough could be smaller or less populated districts where it is easier to interact with most voters; communities where one major party dominates (thereby reducing the chance of splitting the left-leaning vote); or places where the political establishment has become entrenched, overconfident, and unresponsive to organized popular demands. And a national independent Progressive PAC (such as this new group) could channel additional resources to only the most capable Progressive campaigns in the country.
Can anyone say AOC? Much of that describes very well how she ran against Joe Crowley in NY-14 in 2018.
  • Clear, simple populist message? Yes. Opposition to Big Money. Medicare for All. Etc.
  • Strong community or movement connections? Some at first. AOC was doing some activism and campaigning.
  • A commitment to work long and hard to reach voters? AOC wore holes in her shoes doing that.
  • Smaller or less populated districts? Yes. NY-14 is E Bronx & N Queens, easy to travel to.
  • Communities where one major party dominates? Yes, the Republican Party is insignificant in NY-14.
  • Places where the political establishment has become entrenched, overconfident, and unresponsive to organized popular demands? Yes, Joe Crowley was mainly doing power politics.
Yet AOC ran as a Democrat. It she had run as (say) a Green, she would have lost miserably.

That's something that the People's Party has yet to address.

But you are assuming that their goal is to win and make positive liberal changes to the country. But their goal is really to help the republicans (maybe break the democrats slowly) and help Trump. AOC isn't very sharp and cares about the country.
 

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The national call I'd earlier discussed was on Sep 17. There is a new one on Oct 8 on twitch.tv. I watched it, and Nick Brana said that some consultants who help people organize were very happy with the MPP, because the MPP people were starting now rather than waiting until the last minute. They also talked about how they plan a sort of dry run for gathering signatures for ballot access. That's for getting access as a party rather than as a candidate.

They also said that it was preparation for the midterms in 2018 and the Presidency in 2020, and Nick Brana was confident that his party would then be the biggest.

Strikes me as wishful thinking, and I think that the MPP is better off doing what the Working Families Party is doing: supporting both its candidates and like-minded Democrats. Checking on the endorsements at Working Families Party - Fighting for an America that works for the many, not the few. it is mostly local and state candidates, and only a few Congressional ones. There is also a lot of variation in what candidates the WFP has. Though California is more populous than New York, California has 26 WFP candidates, including 3 state-legislature ones and one Congressional one, and New York has 191 WFP candidates, with 121 state-legislature ones and 23 Congressional ones.

So is this what the MPP will end up being like?
 

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Why The Working Families Party Is Fighting for Its Survival - The New York Times - "The Working Families Party needs 130,000 New Yorkers to vote for Biden on its line, or it will lose its automatic ballot spot."
Because of rules backed by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, a Democrat, concerning third parties, the Working Families Party must garner at least 130,000 votes or 2 percent of the total vote — whichever is higher — on its party line for the presidential election in November, or it will lose its automatic ballot line in New York.

The rules present an unusual challenge for small parties in New York State; the parties must encourage New Yorkers to vote for a presidential candidate on their line, even if that candidate is also running on the line of a mainstream party.

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Should it fail, the party risks losing much of its electoral sway at a time when the Working Families Party is facing influential rivals on the left — the Justice Democrats, the political action committee that helped launch the careers of both Ms. Ocasio-Cortez and Mr. Bowman, enabling them to topple congressional incumbents in New York City; and the New York City Democratic Socialists of America, which won several primaries this summer.

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For decades, third parties in New York State had to win 50,000 votes in an election for governor to have an automatic ballot line. That began to change not long after the Working Families Party backed the actress Cynthia Nixon as a challenger to Mr. Cuomo in the 2018 Democratic primary.

That choice had significant political ramifications. Just as the Working Families Party was about to name Ms. Nixon as its chosen candidate, unions that are closely allied with the governor withdrew from the party.

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The new rules continue to face legal challenges, including from the Serve America Movement Party, which favors less partisan politics. That party is not backing a presidential candidate in November, so it will summarily lose its ballot access.
Seems like trouble ahead for the People's Party.
 

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I think the multiple line method (or whatever they call it) makes a lot of sense. A minor party can endorse a major party candidate and get recorded the number of people who support that party. It’s like ranked choice, in a way, you just do away with the pretense of having a Working Families candidate and just go straight to, “count our votes for the Dems, just take note of how many of us there are!”

I feel like that’s a decent system.
 

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I like it also.

The NY WFP has gotten enough votes to continue to stay on the ballot.
NY Working Families Party on Twitter: "The jury is in: New York’s progressive movement is stronger than ever. " / Twitter
The jury is in: New York’s progressive movement is stronger than ever.

250,000K votes & counting later, we are confident that the New York Working Families Party will remain on the ballot in New York. This is a victory for our party and our movement.

For over two decades, we have been proud to fight for working people and challenge corporate power; elect progressives and unseat turncoat Democrats; help shift the conversation in New York from Dems vs. GOP to moderate Dems vs. Working Families Dems.

Working people & Black & brown communities are historically challenged when we grow in power — & the threat to our ballot line was no different.

What’s clear: our campaign to protect the ballot line has only resulted in a stronger, more united progressive movement in our state.

Tonight, we’re celebrating all of you: voters who turned out in record numbers, thousands of volunteers who mobilized your fellow NYers, movement partners & elected champions who fight the fight for a just & equitable NY every day.

Thank you for protecting our political home ❤️

As we wait for results from the Presidential election, we remain clear about how much is at stake in this historic moment & are prepared to continue to fight for a country that works for all of us.

We will bring the full power of our movement to bear in 2021 and in the years to come by electing the next generation of progressive leaders, delivering legislative wins for working people, & challenging those who block the change our communities in crisis so urgently need.
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "In good news: we had a smashing success in our statewide campaign to protect the @NYWFP @WorkingFamilies party ballot line🎉

WFP wins = key groundwork for more working class victories. Giddy up. Shout out to @sochiesays for leading the way 💪🏽 https://t.co/b4OCvV7G2E" / Twitter
 

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This vote is now over, but I nevertheless mention it:
Movement for a People’s Party on Twitter: "
✅ It's time to cast your vote for our official party name!
Cast your vote for the final party name using our ranked-choice ballot (link)
Voting ends in three days (Saturday at 6pm Eastern). (link)" / Twitter


The MPP received numerous nominations of party names, and they decided on these ten to vote on:
1. People's Party
2. Populist Party
3. Workers' Party
4. American People's Party
5. We the People
6. Four Freedoms Party
7. People First Party
8. Bull Moose Party
9. American Workers Party
10. New Deal Party
 

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This vote is now over, but I nevertheless mention it:
Movement for a People’s Party on Twitter: "
✅ It's time to cast your vote for our official party name!
Cast your vote for the final party name using our ranked-choice ballot (link)
Voting ends in three days (Saturday at 6pm Eastern). (link)" / Twitter


The MPP received numerous nominations of party names, and they decided on these ten to vote on:
1. People's Party
2. Populist Party
3. Workers' Party
4. American People's Party
5. We the People
6. Four Freedoms Party
7. People First Party
8. Bull Moose Party
9. American Workers Party
10. New Deal Party

How about the "Help the Republicans Party"!
 

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El Partido del Pueblo

Maine Becomes First State To Register The People's Party! - Dec 1
The People’s Party is on the move! It officially registered as a state party in Maine today, where in order to get on the ballot for the 2022 midterms, it had to register in December of this year. Organizers filed on the morning of the first day of the filing window. The first state party registration comes less than a month after the general election, as the People’s Party prepares to offer a progressive populist alternative to the corporate-funded Democratic and Republican parties in 2022 and 2024.
So it's not just the Presidency that they are concerned about. They seem to be wanting to send some people to Congress.
“The People’s Party will serve all Mainers and not big money,” said Maine MPP organizer Laura Irwin. “Our independent spirit is the reason Dirigo is our state motto.” Next, the team in Maine will register at least 5,000 members to the People’s Party over the next year to achieve ballot access.

The People’s Party will register in all 50 states and intends to win the presidency in 2024. It will run on a new social contract of desperately-needed progressive policies such as Medicare for all, free public college, abolishing mass incarceration, a basic income, and a Green New Deal — overwhelmingly popular policies that the establishment parties refuse to support.
Seems rather overconfident.

Nina Turner Is Running For Congress - a former Bernie Sanders campaigner

But some of that party's supporters are concerned.
Should we be excited about Nina Turner running as a Dem? : PeoplesPartyUSA
 

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This vote is now over, but I nevertheless mention it:
Movement for a People’s Party on Twitter: "
✅ It's time to cast your vote for our official party name!
Cast your vote for the final party name using our ranked-choice ballot (link)
Voting ends in three days (Saturday at 6pm Eastern). (link)" / Twitter


The MPP received numerous nominations of party names, and they decided on these ten to vote on:
1. People's Party
2. Populist Party
3. Workers' Party
4. American People's Party
5. We the People
6. Four Freedoms Party
7. People First Party
8. Bull Moose Party
9. American Workers Party
10. New Deal Party

How about the "Help the Republicans Party"!

Right. A person wanting to actually move the country to the left would try to create a party on the right to compete with the teapublican/trumpublicans; run just to the center of that group. There are probably enough ex-republicans and disaffected republicans right now to make it viable...
 

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This vote is now over, but I nevertheless mention it:
Movement for a People’s Party on Twitter: "
✅ It's time to cast your vote for our official party name!
Cast your vote for the final party name using our ranked-choice ballot (link)
Voting ends in three days (Saturday at 6pm Eastern). (link)" / Twitter


The MPP received numerous nominations of party names, and they decided on these ten to vote on:
1. People's Party
2. Populist Party
3. Workers' Party
4. American People's Party
5. We the People
6. Four Freedoms Party
7. People First Party
8. Bull Moose Party
9. American Workers Party
10. New Deal Party

How about the "Help the Republicans Party"!

Waaah caring about other people is bad waaah.
 

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Y'know what we need to do? We need to condemn anyone who tries to form their own political parties instead of looking at the systemic issues in society. That's what we need to do! And by the way, condemning people who try to form their own political parties certainly doesn't reinforce a cult-like mentality! Not at all!
 

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(I couldn't find a better thread than this for this post.)

I am accustomed to thinking of the U.S. as leading the way, among developed countries, on the misguided march toward right-wing politics. Thus I was startled and pleased to see an opposite, more optimistic opinion at Monthly Review:

One of the principal concerns of progressives right now is how to sustain that activism, how to prevent it from being demobilised. Much of the future rests on the ability of the left to do that. There’s been no other country—certainly no European country, or Australia, New Zealand or Canada—that has seen such a powerful resurgence of the left [as in the U.S.], or one that is so solidly, generationally specific and anchored. And of course, youth of colour, the coming plurality of the American population, played a central role in this—particularly the Black women who built Black Lives Matter. After Sanders’ concession, you faced the possibility that tens of thousands of young people who had been active in his campaign would just become pessimistic and disorganised, when instead their activism was recycled by BLM. We must conserve and nurture activism above all. [Swammi's emphasis]

What am I, a professed centrist, doing seeking opinions at Monthly Review? Frankly I find "centrist" U.S. media to be bankrupt of ideas these days. Also I'm an advocate of the "push on the pendulum" view of politics. There is little danger of extreme leftism in America's near-term future; instead we must push leftward as hard as we can to save America from the right-wing chasm into which it is plummeting.
 

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Taking a journey into etymology, both major US parties have names that roughly mean "People's Party".

So the MPP has registered in ME, CA, CO, OR, and OH, and it is working on other states. So far, blue to purple states.

That last one is good news, since it means that the MPP will be more than a supporter of vanity Presidential runs, a party like the Green Party.
"We’re looking for candidates with a history of activism, organizing, and service to their communities. People who have lived the profound injustices the corporate parties have imposed on this country,” said National Coordinator Nick Brana, the former national political outreach coordinator with Bernie 2016 and electoral manager with Our Revolution.

...
While the party is focused on electing a slate of federal candidates, nominations are also open for state and local candidates. Following candidate vetting, selection, and training, the first candidates will be announced by early summer. They will be running at a time when two out of every three Americans wants a major new party, an all-time high. Candidates will be running on overwhelmingly popular policies such as Medicare for all, monthly stimulus checks, and abolishing the legalized corruption of corporate money in politics.
"The party will have its national founding convention in the fall of this year."
 

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Taking a journey into etymology, both major US parties have names that roughly mean "People's Party".

So the MPP has registered in ME, CA, CO, OR, and OH, and it is working on other states. So far, blue to purple states.

That last one is good news, since it means that the MPP will be more than a supporter of vanity Presidential runs, a party like the Green Party.
"We’re looking for candidates with a history of activism, organizing, and service to their communities. People who have lived the profound injustices the corporate parties have imposed on this country,” said National Coordinator Nick Brana, the former national political outreach coordinator with Bernie 2016 and electoral manager with Our Revolution.

...
While the party is focused on electing a slate of federal candidates, nominations are also open for state and local candidates. Following candidate vetting, selection, and training, the first candidates will be announced by early summer. They will be running at a time when two out of every three Americans wants a major new party, an all-time high. Candidates will be running on overwhelmingly popular policies such as Medicare for all, monthly stimulus checks, and abolishing the legalized corruption of corporate money in politics.
"The party will have its national founding convention in the fall of this year."

I've been wondering where all the republican campaign money has been going! Now we know! Great news for those who don't want US democracy anymore!
 

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Taking a journey into etymology, both major US parties have names that roughly mean "People's Party".

So the MPP has registered in ME, CA, CO, OR, and OH, and it is working on other states. So far, blue to purple states.

That last one is good news, since it means that the MPP will be more than a supporter of vanity Presidential runs, a party like the Green Party.
"We’re looking for candidates with a history of activism, organizing, and service to their communities. People who have lived the profound injustices the corporate parties have imposed on this country,” said National Coordinator Nick Brana, the former national political outreach coordinator with Bernie 2016 and electoral manager with Our Revolution.

...
While the party is focused on electing a slate of federal candidates, nominations are also open for state and local candidates. Following candidate vetting, selection, and training, the first candidates will be announced by early summer. They will be running at a time when two out of every three Americans wants a major new party, an all-time high. Candidates will be running on overwhelmingly popular policies such as Medicare for all, monthly stimulus checks, and abolishing the legalized corruption of corporate money in politics.
"The party will have its national founding convention in the fall of this year."

I've been wondering where all the republican campaign money has been going! Now we know! Great news for those who don't want US democracy anymore!

There was a prototype of this running as Legal Marijuana Now in Minnesota. It was funded by republicans and is ironically the reason that marijuana failed to get legalized this year here.
 

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I've been wondering where all the republican campaign money has been going! Now we know! Great news for those who don't want US democracy anymore!
There was a prototype of this running as Legal Marijuana Now in Minnesota. It was funded by republicans and is ironically the reason that marijuana failed to get legalized this year here.
How did that work? How was its Republican funding exposed?

How Republicans Are Trying to Use the Green Party to Their Advantage - The New York Times - "The G.O.P. has sought to help Green Party candidates in previous election cycles to siphon votes from Democrats. This year is no different — but it hasn’t always worked."
Sept. 22, 2020
Four years ago, the Green Party candidate played a significant role in several crucial battleground states, drawing a vote total in three of them — Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania — that exceeded the margin between Donald J. Trump and Hillary Clinton.

This year, the Republican Party has been trying to use the Green Party to its advantage again, if not always successfully.

In Wisconsin, a G.O.P. elections commissioner and lawyers with ties to Republicans tried to aid attempts by Howie Hawkins, the current Green Party presidential candidate, to get on the ballot there, which were ultimately unsuccessful. In Montana, state regulators found that the Republican Party violated campaign finance laws as part of an effort to boost the Greens in five down-ballot races, including for senator and governor.
Wisconsin's top court keeps Green Party off ballot, allows absentee balloting to resume | TheHill
Luckey v AMT SD.pdf (court decision on Montana GOP support of the Green Party)
Official finds Montana GOP violated campaign finance laws
Supporters of the president have also been trying to advance the candidacy of Kanye West, the billionaire hip-hop artist, confident that he can cut into Mr. Biden’s vote total. Democrats have portrayed the effort as a “dirty trick” and exploitative of Mr. West, who has bipolar disorder.

...
Republican efforts to aid the Green Party are not new. In 2016, a billionaire backer of President Trump, Bernie Marcus, the co-founder of Home Depot, provided support to Jill Stein, the Green candidate, according to people with knowledge of the strategy, who said the effort was done with the knowledge of some officials at the Trump campaign and its chairman at the time, Paul Manafort.

...
Sometimes Republican aid is done without the Green Party’s knowledge, but sometimes it is overt. Carl Romanelli, the Green Party Senate candidate in Pennsylvania, acknowledged receiving financial support from Republicans to help him get on the ballot in 2006.

...
Sometimes the Green Party itself is not only unaware of Republican efforts but has tried to restrain them. In 2009, the party filed a lawsuit in Florida to determine who had arranged for five unknown candidates to appear on the Green Party line.

Ronald G. Meyer, a Florida elections lawyer who handled the case for the party, said they found “that a Republican operative recruited a bunch of college-student-aged people, some waitresses and college kids, and paid their qualifying fees.”

Asked about ballot chicanery, Mr. Hawkins said, “These people plays these games, and they are just hacks for the two parties.”
The Green Party's Presidential candidates are IMO not much more than vanity candidates, much like Kanye West.
 

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That raises a serious problem about the People's Party. Will it be a serious party? Or a supporter of vanity Presidential candidates?

Vanity candidates like nearly all 3rd-party candidates. Greens, Libertarians, Constitution Party, you name it.

Bret Weinstein's Unity Party of last year - Unity2020 - A Plan to Save Our Republic - is as limited as most third parties are - the only thing that was ever discussed was the Presidency. Not Congress, not state governments, not local governments. Only the Presidency. That party came up with the idea of having someone from the Left and someone from the Right run as co-presidents -- and selected Tulsi Gabbard and Dan Crenshaw. Neither of them seemed interested.

Given that both of them came out of Congress, one might expect the Unity Party people to have at least a tiny bit of interest in Congress, but they don't. All it seems to be is BW and his friends gabbing about politics.
 

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In my opinion, it is ALWAYS a vanity party until they show they can focus on real down ballot candidates.

Elect a People’s Party Judge, Town Selectman, State Senator, County Commisssioner. THEN you can wield some conversation beyond a vanity candidate for house or senate. ANd only THEN can you be anything other than a vanity spoiler for your own hopes in the presidential race.

IMHO no serious party ignores local politics.
 

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I agree. It's better to be a new Working Families Party than a new Green Party.

The party's home page: The People's Party | Free Of Corporate Money

Some recent news:

The People's Party Registers In Oregon
The People's Party Has Officially Registered In Oregon!
2021 Apr 26
So the PP is now registered in CA, CO, ME, OH, OR

Meet Our New Executive Director
The People’s Party Is Announcing Zeynab Day As The Executive Director Of The National Party
2021 Jul 14
She was once Communications Director for Brand New Congress.

BNC was founded in 2016 by some Bernie Sanders campaigners with the goal of electing people to Congress with a platform much like Bernie Sanders's platform. They originally wanted to run some 400+ candidates, one for every open seat, but for 2018, they settled on 30 candidates. All of them ran as Democrats except for one Republican and on independent. Of the non-independents, only 9 won their primaries, and only 1 won in the general: AOC. Her district, NY-14 is a safe Democratic seat, so the real fight was in the primary.

For 2020, BNC supported 46 candidates, and of these, 10 won in the primaries, and 4 in the general election, though 2 were incumbents: AOC and Rashida Tlaib. The two newcomers were Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush.

For 2022, BNC now supports 10 candidates, with likely more on the way.

Justice Democrats is an offshoot of BNC, founded in early 2017. For 2018, it endorsed 79 candidates, of whom 7 won general elections: 3 incumbents and "the Squad": AOC, RT, Ayanna Pressley, Ilhan Omar.

For 2020, JD supported 16 candidates, with 12 winning primaries and 10 winning general elections: 7 incumbents and 3 newcomers: Marie Newman, Jamaal Bowman, and Cori Bush.

For 2022, JD now supports 4 candidates, with likely more on the way.

BNC and JD run their candidates as Democrats, with only two BNC exceptions in 2018. But they succeeded in unseating some big-name Democrats: Joe Crowley, Michael Capuano, Dan Lipinski, Eliot Engel, Lacy Clay.

Will the People's Party do likewise? What will it do to attract voters who usually vote Democratic?
 

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Volunteer Newsletter | Issue 1 | April 2021
Volunteer Newsletter | Issue 2 | May 2021
Volunteer Newsletter | Issue 3 | June 2021
Volunteer Newsletter | Issue 4 | June 2021 (really July 2021)

From May 2021,
The People's Party is looking for our first slate of candidates to run in the 2022 elections! We're aiming to run a dozen or more federal races, including seat or two in the U.S. Senate. That's why we have opened up our applications for nominations.

The People's Party is seeking future representatives with strong ties to their communities, who will fight for the voices of their constituents and work hard to make change at the congressional level. This first wave of campaigns will help us to lay the foundation and build out national and local infrastructure to support races for seats at every level of government.
Much like BNC and JD.

From June 2021,
California - Because the state only provides a once-yearly release of party enrollment, we're looking into how to receive more frequent updates so we know where we stand and how much farther we have to 9o to reach our goal. We're also looking into the registration issue some voters in LA have experienced.

Colorado - The State Central Committee is up and running and the state platform and rules committees are getting to work. Plans are being rolled out to get more petitions out there and grow the state party membership.

Florida - The State Organizing Committee is up and running and working on bylaws! It shouldn't be long before we're registered in the state of Florida!

Maine - We're ramping up our efforts to hit this year's enrollment target which should become lot easier now that nice weather has arrived!

Maryland - Expect a State Organizing Committee soon!

Massachusetts - The State Committee has been formed and is formalizing their bylaws this month. Members can now affiliate with the People's Party in MA!

Missouri - The Provisional State Committee has been formed and the petitioning is expected to begin in August. The State Organizing Committee process is underway and we should see formalized bylaws soon!

New Jersey - The State Organizing Committee is about to get started.

New York - The State Organizing Committee should be getting started in the next few weeks.

Ohio The petition iS live!

Oregon - The petition is live! Bylaws were just delivered. Members can now affiliate with the People's Party of Oregon! Vermont - The initial State Committee has been formed.

Washington - The State Organizing Committee will be starting soon. The state party has already formed and fundraising will be underway soon!
That's enough to do Congressional races, state, and local ones in several states. So even if they don't have a presence in all 50 states, they can still try to elect Congresspeople where they can.
 

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I agree. It's better to be a new Working Families Party than a new Green Party.

The party's home page: The People's Party | Free Of Corporate Money

Some recent news:

The People's Party Registers In Oregon
The People's Party Has Officially Registered In Oregon!
2021 Apr 26
So the PP is now registered in CA, CO, ME, OH, OR

Meet Our New Executive Director
The People’s Party Is Announcing Zeynab Day As The Executive Director Of The National Party
2021 Jul 14
She was once Communications Director for Brand New Congress.

BNC was founded in 2016 by some Bernie Sanders campaigners with the goal of electing people to Congress with a platform much like Bernie Sanders's platform. They originally wanted to run some 400+ candidates, one for every open seat, but for 2018, they settled on 30 candidates. All of them ran as Democrats except for one Republican and on independent. Of the non-independents, only 9 won their primaries, and only 1 won in the general: AOC. Her district, NY-14 is a safe Democratic seat, so the real fight was in the primary.

For 2020, BNC supported 46 candidates, and of these, 10 won in the primaries, and 4 in the general election, though 2 were incumbents: AOC and Rashida Tlaib. The two newcomers were Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush.

For 2022, BNC now supports 10 candidates, with likely more on the way.

Justice Democrats is an offshoot of BNC, founded in early 2017. For 2018, it endorsed 79 candidates, of whom 7 won general elections: 3 incumbents and "the Squad": AOC, RT, Ayanna Pressley, Ilhan Omar.

For 2020, JD supported 16 candidates, with 12 winning primaries and 10 winning general elections: 7 incumbents and 3 newcomers: Marie Newman, Jamaal Bowman, and Cori Bush.

For 2022, JD now supports 4 candidates, with likely more on the way.

BNC and JD run their candidates as Democrats, with only two BNC exceptions in 2018. But they succeeded in unseating some big-name Democrats: Joe Crowley, Michael Capuano, Dan Lipinski, Eliot Engel, Lacy Clay.

Will the People's Party do likewise? What will it do to attract voters who usually vote Democratic?

Great News for Trump! Wahoooooo
 

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Paula Jean Swearengin on Twitter: "I deeply apologize ..." / Twitter
I deeply apologize to all of my supporters that supported my endorsements of people that lied to us & disappointed us.

Millions of people put in time & hard earned money to elect "progressives" that ended up being a political arm to the corrupt establishment.

I'm so sorry.

New political party forming in Missouri | Local News | myleaderpaper.com

"Steve Mann, state coordinator for the Missouri People’s Party, said supporters are collecting signatures on petitions as part of the effort to certify the party."
Mann said he hopes the party would have candidates lined up to run for state auditor and for the U.S. Senate in November 2022.

“We also are looking at people who want to run for the (General Assembly),” he said.
The party could also work on local levels.
“But we’re really aiming for statewide access,” Mann said.

Asked to describe where the People’s Party would fit in between the traditional Republican and Democratic parties, Mann bristled.

“We reject that definition,” he said. “There’s no left-right; there’s up and down. There is the 1 percent at the top and the rest of us, the 99 percent, at the bottom. The left-right idea is being pushed by the people at the top who want the rest of us to fight each other.”

Mann said his party’s primary platform reflects issues Americans support, as borne out by polling.

“A majority of Americans support getting money out of politics, internet neutrality, no more endless wars, Medicaid for all, free college education and a guarantee of housing. Those are some of the issues we support,” he said.

Mann said the People’s Party is a natural successor to the Green Party, which he said suffered from disorganization.
The party also wants local candidates. But if he is right about the Green Party, then that may be a side effect of supporting vanity presidential runs.

So for, the PP has been organizing in CA, CO, ME, OH, OR, and this adds MO.
 

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New political party forming in Missouri | Local News | myleaderpaper.com

"Steve Mann, state coordinator for the Missouri People’s Party, said supporters are collecting signatures on petitions as part of the effort to certify the party."

The party could also work on local levels.
“But we’re really aiming for statewide access,” Mann said.

Asked to describe where the People’s Party would fit in between the traditional Republican and Democratic parties, Mann bristled.

“We reject that definition,” he said. “There’s no left-right; there’s up and down. There is the 1 percent at the top and the rest of us, the 99 percent, at the bottom. The left-right idea is being pushed by the people at the top who want the rest of us to fight each other.”

Mann said his party’s primary platform reflects issues Americans support, as borne out by polling.

“A majority of Americans support getting money out of politics, internet neutrality, no more endless wars, Medicaid for all, free college education and a guarantee of housing. Those are some of the issues we support,” he said.

Mann said the People’s Party is a natural successor to the Green Party, which he said suffered from disorganization.
The party also wants local candidates. But if he is right about the Green Party, then that may be a side effect of supporting vanity presidential runs.

So for, the PP has been organizing in CA, CO, ME, OH, OR, and this adds MO.

What are the endless wars?! These people are such hypocrites. I'd respect them far more if they just came out and said that they wanted 4 more years of Trump.
 

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New political party forming in Missouri | Local News | myleaderpaper.com

"Steve Mann, state coordinator for the Missouri People’s Party, said supporters are collecting signatures on petitions as part of the effort to certify the party."

The party could also work on local levels.
“But we’re really aiming for statewide access,” Mann said.

Asked to describe where the People’s Party would fit in between the traditional Republican and Democratic parties, Mann bristled.

“We reject that definition,” he said. “There’s no left-right; there’s up and down. There is the 1 percent at the top and the rest of us, the 99 percent, at the bottom. The left-right idea is being pushed by the people at the top who want the rest of us to fight each other.”

Mann said his party’s primary platform reflects issues Americans support, as borne out by polling.

“A majority of Americans support getting money out of politics, internet neutrality, no more endless wars, Medicaid for all, free college education and a guarantee of housing. Those are some of the issues we support,” he said.

Mann said the People’s Party is a natural successor to the Green Party, which he said suffered from disorganization.
The party also wants local candidates. But if he is right about the Green Party, then that may be a side effect of supporting vanity presidential runs.

So for, the PP has been organizing in CA, CO, ME, OH, OR, and this adds MO.

What are the endless wars?!
Um, maybe the war we were just in Afghanistan?..and before that Iraq...and before that Vietnam. Fox news has been criticizing Biden's recent withdrawal of Afghanistan but perhaps it would be worth considering these new people party movements might be influencing Biden to more middle class friendly leadership??? Could it be possible??? Ive also noticed with my amazement that Biden did not take down Trump's tariffs with China....IMO that is huge. I mean supporting American workers over free trade apologist's and bankers??? Whatever reasons for Biden changing his historical positions, I for one am glad it is finally happening.
These people are such hypocrites. I'd respect them far more if they just came out and said that they wanted 4 more years of Trump.
You have a conspiracy theory with Loren to share with us?? Hurry up and get the tin foil hats from Jimmy Higgins...I want to know everything about this!:welcoming:
 

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What are the endless wars?!
Um, maybe the war we were just in Afghanistan?..and before that Iraq...and before that Vietnam. Fox news has been criticizing Biden's recent withdrawal of Afghanistan but perhaps it would be worth considering these new people party movements might be influencing Biden to more middle class friendly leadership??? Could it be possible??? Ive also noticed with my amazement that Biden did not take down Trump's tariffs with China....IMO that is huge. I mean supporting American workers over free trade apologist's and bankers??? Whatever reasons for Biden changing his historical positions, I for one am glad it is finally happening.
These people are such hypocrites. I'd respect them far more if they just came out and said that they wanted 4 more years of Trump.
You have a conspiracy theory with Loren to share with us?? Hurry up and get the tin foil hats from Jimmy Higgins...I want to know everything about this!:welcoming:

Amigo! You are calling me a conspiracy theorist? Wow, pot calling the kettle black. You have been the one claiming that Trump really won the vote - despite having no evidence for your claim! Who is the one calling for conspiracies! But yes, it is my opinion that the founders of the "US People's Party" primary goal is to crash the democratic party. Allow the republicans to win a few elections, then in desperation, pray for the People's Party to reshape the dems and bring on a far left utopia. My claims are based on listening to the founders being interviewed on the Joe Rogan show. But's it my opinion. I'm not alleging that it is fact (as you have alleged that Trump was screwed in the 2020 election without evidence).

Secondly, not sure what your rambling argument is regarding the endless wars. We aren't fighting in Vietnam. We aren't fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan. Biden ran on getting the US out of Afghanistan, then he did it. Unlike Trump. Biden does what he says. The people's party real problem should be mostly with the republicans. It was a republican that invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. It was democrats who got us out of each country.

The People's Party are going to help Trump to get elected in 2024.
 

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The sad part is, The People's party may very well siphon off Democratic Votes and Independent votes guaranteeing a GOP win. The best bet might be to run as a Democratic caucus. This tactic has been a bust since Ralph Nader and the Green party.
 

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The sad part is, The People's party may very well siphon off Democratic Votes and Independent votes guaranteeing a GOP win. The best bet might be to run as a Democratic caucus. This tactic has been a bust since Ralph Nader and the Green party.

This is quite the problem.
On the one hand, busting the Demopublican/Republocratic monopoly on USA politics would be a great thing. In the long term. In the short term, say the next ten years, efforts like the People's Party are more likely to siphon votes from politicians trying to improve things than politicians serving the elite.
Resulting in effects like the current SCOTUS who don't find Texas's new law worth ruling on.
Tom
 

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The sad part is, The People's party may very well siphon off Democratic Votes and Independent votes guaranteeing a GOP win. The best bet might be to run as a Democratic caucus. This tactic has been a bust since Ralph Nader and the Green party.

This is quite the problem.
On the one hand, busting the Demopublican/Republocratic monopoly on USA politics would be a great thing. In the long term. In the short term, say the next ten years, efforts like the People's Party are more likely to siphon votes from politicians trying to improve things than politicians serving the elite.
Resulting in effects like the current SCOTUS who don't find Texas's new law worth ruling on.
Tom

I might have been a little harsh on Rvonse. He has recently taken back his Trump conspiracy comments recently. But regardless, I just think that Trump is a uniquely terrible president in our history. He did try to steal the election. To be frank, it was a lot of bureaucrats and lower level politicians (mostly republican) who upheld our election system. And the supreme court. If we are stupid enough to reelect Trump, whose to say that Trump won't stack the deck next time with his crazy Q supporters. If another Bush were running in 2024 or some kind of half way reasonable republican, fine, then ask the dems to fall on the sword. Run the stupid People's Party. Demand your change. Fight the fight! Wahoo. Maybe after splitting the democratic vote and losing the next several elections that a demoralized left may turn to the saviors of the People Party. But this will be at a great cost. And the left has already borne this cost. The People's Party is really just Ralph Nader repackaged. Nader split the democratic party, and Bush won. The result of that is that republicans control the supreme court. If we give in to the people's party we will never get the supreme court back again.
 

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The sad part is, The People's party may very well siphon off Democratic Votes and Independent votes guaranteeing a GOP win. The best bet might be to run as a Democratic caucus. This tactic has been a bust since Ralph Nader and the Green party.
The spoiler effect? Yes, the Greens were likely spoilers in the 2000 and 2016 Presidential races.

There's another potential problem with the People's Party, that it may become primarily a vehicle for vanity Presidential candidacies, as the Green Party has become. But at least that party's leaders are talking about having local and state and Congressional candidacies. Does anyone in the Green Party do that?

Competition with Democrats will be a big problem there also - how does a candidate get voters that usually vote Democratic?

But I agree that it would be better off as a faction in the Democratic Party. That's how the recent wave of progressive Congresspeople got elected. Otherwise, they would have gotten crushed in the general elections by the Democrats in their races.
  • 2016: Ro Khanna vs. Mike Honda
  • 2018: AOC vs. Joe Crowley, Ayanna Pressley vs. Michael Capuano, Rashida Tlaib vs. Brenda Jones (strongest opponent for open seat)
  • 2020: Marie Newman vs. Dan Lipinski, Cori Bush vs. Lacy Clay, Jamaal Bowman vs. Eliot Engel
 

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Considering the sheer difference between both the Democratic and Republican parties today and their yesteryears, I don't get why the party name matters. Just jump on the main tickets and fight. It's not like either of the major parties are anything like what they once were. The Democratic party will be the Green Party in the 2050s for all we know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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The spoiler effect? Yes, the Greens were likely spoilers in the 2000 and 2016 Presidential races.

Let me explain what I think this really means.

People like Nader, the Green party, and Sanders helped get presidents like Bush and Trump elected.

That gave the USA things like 9/11
Afghanistan
The invasion of Iraq
Massive federal deficits
The recession of 2008

Heightened ethnic divisions
Increased federal deficits
C19 disaster
Jan 6 insurgency
Erosion of public trust in USA institutions

That's what we got from such efforts, for starters. I see no rational reason to think that this new political effort will be better.


Frankly, were I an evil billionaire, I'd strongly support The People's Party. People like them are better at getting taxes cut and corporate welfare spent than Hillary Clinton ever thought about being.
Tom
 
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