A Palestinian peace party?

[Loren Pechtel]

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/P...rump-administration-launches-new-party-588679

The PA is strongly opposed to the plan on the pretext that it aims to “liquidate the Palestinian cause and national rights.”

Because coexistence is unacceptable.

 

[Arctish]

Jabari, who previously worked for the Palestinian Authority security forces, said that his party’s platform supports the idea of a one-state solution “because the two-state solution is no longer viable.”

The Palestinians, he said, are anyway living under Israeli rule. “We are all living under Israeli military rule,” Jabari added. “Even the Palestinian Authority, which is a self-rule authority, is under Israeli control. The Palestinian Authority is not a state; rather, it’s a self-rule authority. Israel controls everything. The ID cards the Palestinians hold are written in Arabic and Hebrew. Besides, Israel has full control over the borders.”

So the Reform and Development Party will push for the One State solution, avoid/ignore fights over borders, aquifers, control of internal travel, etc., and leave the question of how long until non-Jews have the same Rights as Jewish Israelis for some future discussion?

I think the One State solution is the most likely outcome. But I expect bigots like Netanyahu and his supporters will fight tooth and nail to prevent any formal recognition of the Rights of non-Jews and without that, there won't be peace.

 

[Patooka]

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/P...rump-administration-launches-new-party-588679

The PA is strongly opposed to the plan on the pretext that it aims to “liquidate the Palestinian cause and national rights.”

Because coexistence is unacceptable.

Says the guy who thinks Palestinians are second class citizens unironically

 

[Axulus]

Jabari, who previously worked for the Palestinian Authority security forces, said that his party’s platform supports the idea of a one-state solution “because the two-state solution is no longer viable.”

The Palestinians, he said, are anyway living under Israeli rule. “We are all living under Israeli military rule,” Jabari added. “Even the Palestinian Authority, which is a self-rule authority, is under Israeli control. The Palestinian Authority is not a state; rather, it’s a self-rule authority. Israel controls everything. The ID cards the Palestinians hold are written in Arabic and Hebrew. Besides, Israel has full control over the borders.”

So the Reform and Development Party will push for the One State solution, avoid/ignore fights over borders, aquifers, control of internal travel, etc., and leave the question of how long until non-Jews have the same Rights as Jewish Israelis for some future discussion?

I think the One State solution is the most likely outcome. But I expect bigots like Netanyahu and his supporters will fight tooth and nail to prevent any formal recognition of the Rights of non-Jews and without that, there won't be peace.

The three-state solution is still a possibility: give Egypt control of Gaza and Jordan control of the West Bank, and the Palestinians become citizens of those respective countries.

 

[Arctish]

Jabari, who previously worked for the Palestinian Authority security forces, said that his party’s platform supports the idea of a one-state solution “because the two-state solution is no longer viable.”

The Palestinians, he said, are anyway living under Israeli rule. “We are all living under Israeli military rule,” Jabari added. “Even the Palestinian Authority, which is a self-rule authority, is under Israeli control. The Palestinian Authority is not a state; rather, it’s a self-rule authority. Israel controls everything. The ID cards the Palestinians hold are written in Arabic and Hebrew. Besides, Israel has full control over the borders.”

So the Reform and Development Party will push for the One State solution, avoid/ignore fights over borders, aquifers, control of internal travel, etc., and leave the question of how long until non-Jews have the same Rights as Jewish Israelis for some future discussion?

I think the One State solution is the most likely outcome. But I expect bigots like Netanyahu and his supporters will fight tooth and nail to prevent any formal recognition of the Rights of non-Jews and without that, there won't be peace.

The three-state solution is still a possibility: give Egypt control of Gaza and Jordan control of the West Bank, and the Palestinians become citizens of those respective countries.

That won't happen unless Israel pulls its settlers out of the West Bank, gives up on having unfettered access to the aquifers in the mountains near the Jordan River and the natural gas deposits off the Gaza coast, and renounces its claims to parts of 'Judea and 'Samaria'. I don't think there's a realistic hope of any of those things happening.

Anyway, the 3 State solution won't work unless it's what the Palestinians want. If it's imposed on them, they'll fight to get a solution they do want. Frankly, it looks like just another way to get rid of them and preserve Israel's religious and ethnic bias.

 

[Sarpedon]

It also ignores the fact that Palestinians are not Egyptians or Jordanians.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The three-state solution is still a possibility: give Egypt control of Gaza and Jordan control of the West Bank, and the Palestinians become citizens of those respective countries.

Neither Egypt nor Jordan want the territories.

I do favor a three-state solution, though--Israel, Gaza, West Bank. While I do not believe it would bring peace it might get Fatah out of the fight.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It also ignores the fact that Palestinians are not Egyptians or Jordanians.

But they are. Their separate identity is a creation of Arafat for political purposes.

 

[Arctish]

The three-state solution is still a possibility: give Egypt control of Gaza and Jordan control of the West Bank, and the Palestinians become citizens of those respective countries.

I do favor a three-state solution, though--Israel, Gaza, West Bank. While I do not believe it would bring peace it might get Fatah out of the fight.

Then it's high time you started arguing for the removal of Israeli settlers from the West Bank so the three-state solution becomes a real possibility. Also, you should argue against further Israeli construction outside the 1967 borders until the new border with Jordan is finalized. And if Hamas blows a hole in the separation barrier on the Egypt side, you should argue against repairing it since you support the unification of Gaza with Egypt, so why waste money on something you think should be obsolete?

I look forward to reading your posts on this topic. I'm sure they will be well thought out and sincere.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The three-state solution is still a possibility: give Egypt control of Gaza and Jordan control of the West Bank, and the Palestinians become citizens of those respective countries.

I do favor a three-state solution, though--Israel, Gaza, West Bank. While I do not believe it would bring peace it might get Fatah out of the fight.

Then it's high time you started arguing for the removal of Israeli settlers from the West Bank so the three-state solution becomes a real possibility. Also, you should argue against further Israeli construction outside the 1967 borders until the new border with Jordan is finalized. And if Hamas blows a hole in the separation barrier on the Egypt side, you should argue against repairing it since you support the unification of Gaza with Egypt, so why waste money on something you think should be obsolete?

I look forward to reading your posts on this topic. I'm sure they will be well thought out and sincere.

You have fallen for their lies hook, line and sinker. In Arabic the occupied territories are Israel itself, not the West Bank.

 

[Arctish]

Then it's high time you started arguing for the removal of Israeli settlers from the West Bank so the three-state solution becomes a real possibility. Also, you should argue against further Israeli construction outside the 1967 borders until the new border with Jordan is finalized. And if Hamas blows a hole in the separation barrier on the Egypt side, you should argue against repairing it since you support the unification of Gaza with Egypt, so why waste money on something you think should be obsolete?

I look forward to reading your posts on this topic. I'm sure they will be well thought out and sincere.

You have fallen for their lies hook, line and sinker. In Arabic the occupied territories are Israel itself, not the West Bank.

You said you favor a three-state solution. I think you're just paying lip service to that plan because you see it as an opportunity to line up support for making the results of ethnic cleansing permanent. I think you see it as a way to force the Palestinians into other countries and forever deny them their Right of Return to what is now called Israel. But I might be wrong about that.

Perhaps you really do think having three states between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is better than having just one or two. If so, then post like you really mean it. You history of opposition to Israel pulling out of the West Bank or relinquishing control of the waters off Gaza is well known here. If you changed your mind, you should say so. Otherwise, people will probably think you're just bullshitting again. I know I will.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Then it's high time you started arguing for the removal of Israeli settlers from the West Bank so the three-state solution becomes a real possibility. Also, you should argue against further Israeli construction outside the 1967 borders until the new border with Jordan is finalized. And if Hamas blows a hole in the separation barrier on the Egypt side, you should argue against repairing it since you support the unification of Gaza with Egypt, so why waste money on something you think should be obsolete?

I look forward to reading your posts on this topic. I'm sure they will be well thought out and sincere.

You have fallen for their lies hook, line and sinker. In Arabic the occupied territories are Israel itself, not the West Bank.

You said you favor a three-state solution. I think you're just paying lip service to that plan because you see it as an opportunity to line up support for making the results of ethnic cleansing permanent. I think you see it as a way to force the Palestinians into other countries and forever deny them their Right of Return to what is now called Israel. But I might be wrong about that.

Perhaps you really do think having three states between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is better than having just one or two. If so, then post like you really mean it. You history of opposition to Israel pulling out of the West Bank or relinquishing control of the waters off Gaza is well known here. If you changed your mind, you should say so. Otherwise, people will probably think you're just bullshitting again. I know I will.

The right of return is about killing the Jews, or at least driving them from the land. Is that what you want?

 

[Ford]

You said you favor a three-state solution. I think you're just paying lip service to that plan because you see it as an opportunity to line up support for making the results of ethnic cleansing permanent. I think you see it as a way to force the Palestinians into other countries and forever deny them their Right of Return to what is now called Israel. But I might be wrong about that.

Perhaps you really do think having three states between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is better than having just one or two. If so, then post like you really mean it. You history of opposition to Israel pulling out of the West Bank or relinquishing control of the waters off Gaza is well known here. If you changed your mind, you should say so. Otherwise, people will probably think you're just bullshitting again. I know I will.

The right of return is about killing the Jews, or at least driving them from the land. Is that what you want?

Says the guy who wants to kill the Arabs, or at least drive them from the land that God clearly gave to the Jews.

 

[Sarpedon]

But they are. Their separate identity is a creation of Arafat for political purposes.

Genetics has proven that a lie. In fact, Palestinians are the most closely related group to Jews that there is. The Jews remaining in Palestine after the destruction of the temple mixed with incoming arabs.

And Yasser Arafat arrived on the scene long after modern Palestinian Nationalism came about. The origins of Palestinian Nationalism occurred during the period of the British Mandate, right after World War I. The fact is that it was a competing ideology to Pan-Arabism. Israelis have coopted Pan Arabism to pretend that there's no such thing as separate Arab groups, and thus Palestinians are just arabs, and have no identity of their own.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

What happens when Palestinians stop all aggression and try to claim the moral high ground? I ask because it is clear that Israel has locked them away and denied them their freedom, but based that on their violence. Take away that violence and what change will result?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What happens when Palestinians stop all aggression and try to claim the moral high ground? I ask because it is clear that Israel has locked them away and denied them their freedom, but based that on their violence. Take away that violence and what change will result?

Israeli policy is if they aren't attacked they won't attack. If the Palestinians quit attacking the military actions against them end immediately and in time Israel relaxes the security restrictions. We've seen it happen multiple times--but there's no way the terrorist leaders will allow that state to persist, can't have the people getting comfortable.

 

[Ford]

Israeli policy is if they aren't attacked they won't attack.

What happened to the "ROFL" smileys here?

 

[Elixir]

Israeli policy is if they aren't attacked they won't attack.

What happened to the "ROFL" smileys here?

The Palestinians killed them. You're next.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Israeli policy is if they aren't attacked they won't attack.

What happened to the "ROFL" smileys here?

Got an example to the contrary? Beware that the news often doesn't report what caused Israel to shoot, you often have to dig.

 

[Ford]

Israeli policy is if they aren't attacked they won't attack.

What happened to the "ROFL" smileys here?

Got an example to the contrary? Beware that the news often doesn't report what caused Israel to shoot, you often have to dig.

Yes, we know that you think Palestinians are sub-human.