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Alberta Separatism

steve_bank

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In the news Alberta separatists see Trump as an ally, 'make Alberta great again'.

Trouble in paradise?


Alberta separatism comprises a series of 20th- and 21st-century movements advocating the secession of the province of Alberta from Canada, with some groups supporting the creation of a sovereign union with the other provinces of Western Canada or Alberta joining the United States as a state or territory.

The main issues driving separatist sentiment have been the power disparity relative to Ottawa and other western provinces; a sense of distinctiveness with regards to Alberta's cultural and political identity; and Canadian fiscal policy, particularly as it pertains to Alberta's petroleum industry.

The concept of separation has gained considerable media attention in the aftermath of the 2025 federal election, which resulted in a fourth consecutive Liberal victory.


The Quebec sovereignty movement (French: mouvement souverainiste du Québec, pronounced [muvmɑ̃ suvʁɛnɪst d͡zy kebɛk]) is a political movement advocating for Quebec's independence from Canada. Proponents argue that Quebecers form a distinct nation with a unique culture, language, history, and set of values, and thus should exercise their right to self-determination.[1] This principle includes the possibility of choosing between integration with a third state, political association with another state, or full independence, enabling Quebecers to establish a sovereign state with its own constitution.

Supporters believe that an independent Quebec would be better positioned to promote its economic, social, environmental, and cultural development.[1] They contend that self-governance would allow Quebec to manage its resources, such as its vast renewable natural assets and strategic geographic location, in alignment with its interests.[1] Additionally, sovereignty would enable Quebec to establish its own fiscal policies, participate directly in international forums, and uphold its commitment to the French language and intercultural integration model.[1]

The movement is rooted in Quebec nationalism, emphasizing the province's distinct identity and the desire for political autonomy to achieve its full potential as a nation
 
Don't forget Trump's essential illiteracy. If someone tells him, "Alberta wants to get with you," he'll probably get a medium chub and ask if Melania's in the house.
 
Alberta thinks the entire nation of Canada is dependent on them. Per capita, Alberta is a major producer. In the aggregate, they are the best of the rest when putting Ontario and Quebec to the side. Alberta needs the rest of Canada about as much as Canada needs Alberta.
 
Alberta thinks the entire nation of Canada is dependent on them. Per capita, Alberta is a major producer. In the aggregate, they are the best of the rest when putting Ontario and Quebec to the side. Alberta needs the rest of Canada about as much as Canada needs Alberta.
I have no understanding of what this is about.

But it's sounding like Alberta is the Texas of Canada. Way more ego than than the rest of us need for any damn thing.
Tom
 
I have an idea. We can swap California for Alberta.

In the 80s I sent a weeks vacation in Montreal.There were signs everywhere and on busses that said Quebec yes!!. I was limited to my high school French.
 
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Alberta thinks the entire nation of Canada is dependent on them. Per capita, Alberta is a major producer. In the aggregate, they are the best of the rest when putting Ontario and Quebec to the side. Alberta needs the rest of Canada about as much as Canada needs Alberta.
I have no understanding of what this is about.

But it's sounding like Alberta is the Texas of Canada. Way more ego than than the rest of us need for any damn thing.
Tom
Alberta is important, but not as important as they think they are. Alberta is terribly dependent on oil/gas. If there is a drop in those markets, Alberta is in a world of trouble. When the prices go up, they are strong. But they lack economic diversity. Fossil fuels aren't going away anytime soon, however, so Alberta is likely going to continue being an important cog in the Canadian economy. But without the rest of Canada, the province is much much weaker than it is now.

People talk about secession like it is an easy button. They think they get to keep all the oil/gas money. But the expenses shoot up, like managing transportation infrastructure in a big province with a limited population, forget about health care resources.
 
I have an idea. We can swap California for Alberta.
Alberta's GDP is roughly 1/10 the GDP of California.
In the 80s I sent a weeks vacation in Montreal.There were signs everywhere and on busses that said Quebec yes!!. I was limited to my high school French.
Quebec wanted to secede because they feared the death of their Francophone culture. Alberta wants to secede because they think they'll be richer.
 
I have an idea. We can swap California for Alberta.
Please!
You might want to think twice about that. The Alberta weather is awful, and if the ocean along the California coast freezes, surfing will be out of the question.
It is currently 99 F / 37 C. The humidity is through the roof and it smells like someone is boiling a goat in its mother's manure. Threatening me with Calgary's weather is just threatening me with a good time.
 
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