Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[Loren Pechtel]

I read this article about AOC a few days ago and wanted to share it, especially for Loren. It appears to me as if AOC is becoming a lot more reasonable than she appeared during her first term in office. She's working hard to get things t hat most people agree with done. Good for her. I'm pretty that Loren will read the entire article. I'm just posting a little bit so you all get the idea. AOC is becoming someone who works with those who she might usually disagree with and that's a good thing, imo.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/04/...e_code=1.qE0.PA8T.VW8EoUMsxmZj&smid=url-share

Yeah. My problem with her is that she pays more attention to causes rather than whether they are actually viable. She does seem to have moderated somewhat.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Green New Deal for Public Housing with AOC - YouTube
(slightly edited)

AOC imagines good public housing:

I want people to imagine a different world. We do not have to accept this world that we are living in now. We can imagine, and we can achieve, something new. Imagine waking up in your apartment. It's beautiful, it's affordable, you can raise a family in it. You walk outside, and there's a beautiful playground, and there's kids already playing in that playground. Your children go out there, and they are connected to a community. You turn around the corner, and in that building there's a community center where seniors are preparing activities and that they're getting ready to to connect with one another. We walk out and there's a barbecue on a Saturday, and your school is good, and the energy that powers your home is not filling up your lungs, and you don't have to worry if the paint on the walls is exposing your kid to lead. The water that you drink is fresh and crisp, and all of this can be done without bankrupting ourselves. We have to return to an era of rebuilding public housing in the United States.

And she's dreaming, again.

 

[ZiprHead]

The Green New Deal for Public Housing with AOC - YouTube
(slightly edited)

AOC imagines good public housing:

I want people to imagine a different world. We do not have to accept this world that we are living in now. We can imagine, and we can achieve, something new. Imagine waking up in your apartment. It's beautiful, it's affordable, you can raise a family in it. You walk outside, and there's a beautiful playground, and there's kids already playing in that playground. Your children go out there, and they are connected to a community. You turn around the corner, and in that building there's a community center where seniors are preparing activities and that they're getting ready to to connect with one another. We walk out and there's a barbecue on a Saturday, and your school is good, and the energy that powers your home is not filling up your lungs, and you don't have to worry if the paint on the walls is exposing your kid to lead. The water that you drink is fresh and crisp, and all of this can be done without bankrupting ourselves. We have to return to an era of rebuilding public housing in the United States.

And she's dreaming, again.

What's not viable about that? AOC just made an exact description of where my sister lives. Her rent is based on a percentage of her income.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Green New Deal for Public Housing with AOC - YouTube
(slightly edited)

AOC imagines good public housing:

I want people to imagine a different world. We do not have to accept this world that we are living in now. We can imagine, and we can achieve, something new. Imagine waking up in your apartment. It's beautiful, it's affordable, you can raise a family in it. You walk outside, and there's a beautiful playground, and there's kids already playing in that playground. Your children go out there, and they are connected to a community. You turn around the corner, and in that building there's a community center where seniors are preparing activities and that they're getting ready to to connect with one another. We walk out and there's a barbecue on a Saturday, and your school is good, and the energy that powers your home is not filling up your lungs, and you don't have to worry if the paint on the walls is exposing your kid to lead. The water that you drink is fresh and crisp, and all of this can be done without bankrupting ourselves. We have to return to an era of rebuilding public housing in the United States.

And she's dreaming, again.

What's not viable about that? AOC just made an exact description of where my sister lives. Her rent is based on a percentage of her income.

The economic reality.

 

[ZiprHead]

The Green New Deal for Public Housing with AOC - YouTube
(slightly edited)

AOC imagines good public housing:

I want people to imagine a different world. We do not have to accept this world that we are living in now. We can imagine, and we can achieve, something new. Imagine waking up in your apartment. It's beautiful, it's affordable, you can raise a family in it. You walk outside, and there's a beautiful playground, and there's kids already playing in that playground. Your children go out there, and they are connected to a community. You turn around the corner, and in that building there's a community center where seniors are preparing activities and that they're getting ready to to connect with one another. We walk out and there's a barbecue on a Saturday, and your school is good, and the energy that powers your home is not filling up your lungs, and you don't have to worry if the paint on the walls is exposing your kid to lead. The water that you drink is fresh and crisp, and all of this can be done without bankrupting ourselves. We have to return to an era of rebuilding public housing in the United States.

And she's dreaming, again.

What's not viable about that? AOC just made an exact description of where my sister lives. Her rent is based on a percentage of her income.

The economic reality.

What economic "reality" are you talking about?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Green New Deal for Public Housing with AOC - YouTube
(slightly edited)

AOC imagines good public housing:

I want people to imagine a different world. We do not have to accept this world that we are living in now. We can imagine, and we can achieve, something new. Imagine waking up in your apartment. It's beautiful, it's affordable, you can raise a family in it. You walk outside, and there's a beautiful playground, and there's kids already playing in that playground. Your children go out there, and they are connected to a community. You turn around the corner, and in that building there's a community center where seniors are preparing activities and that they're getting ready to to connect with one another. We walk out and there's a barbecue on a Saturday, and your school is good, and the energy that powers your home is not filling up your lungs, and you don't have to worry if the paint on the walls is exposing your kid to lead. The water that you drink is fresh and crisp, and all of this can be done without bankrupting ourselves. We have to return to an era of rebuilding public housing in the United States.

And she's dreaming, again.

What's not viable about that? AOC just made an exact description of where my sister lives. Her rent is based on a percentage of her income.

The economic reality.

What economic "reality" are you talking about?

She's got a big problem understanding what things will actually cost.

 

[ZiprHead]

The Green New Deal for Public Housing with AOC - YouTube
(slightly edited)

AOC imagines good public housing:

I want people to imagine a different world. We do not have to accept this world that we are living in now. We can imagine, and we can achieve, something new. Imagine waking up in your apartment. It's beautiful, it's affordable, you can raise a family in it. You walk outside, and there's a beautiful playground, and there's kids already playing in that playground. Your children go out there, and they are connected to a community. You turn around the corner, and in that building there's a community center where seniors are preparing activities and that they're getting ready to to connect with one another. We walk out and there's a barbecue on a Saturday, and your school is good, and the energy that powers your home is not filling up your lungs, and you don't have to worry if the paint on the walls is exposing your kid to lead. The water that you drink is fresh and crisp, and all of this can be done without bankrupting ourselves. We have to return to an era of rebuilding public housing in the United States.

And she's dreaming, again.

What's not viable about that? AOC just made an exact description of where my sister lives. Her rent is based on a percentage of her income.

The economic reality.

What economic "reality" are you talking about?

She's got a big problem understanding what things will actually cost.

How do you know what things will actually cost?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Green New Deal for Public Housing with AOC - YouTube
(slightly edited)

AOC imagines good public housing:

I want people to imagine a different world. We do not have to accept this world that we are living in now. We can imagine, and we can achieve, something new. Imagine waking up in your apartment. It's beautiful, it's affordable, you can raise a family in it. You walk outside, and there's a beautiful playground, and there's kids already playing in that playground. Your children go out there, and they are connected to a community. You turn around the corner, and in that building there's a community center where seniors are preparing activities and that they're getting ready to to connect with one another. We walk out and there's a barbecue on a Saturday, and your school is good, and the energy that powers your home is not filling up your lungs, and you don't have to worry if the paint on the walls is exposing your kid to lead. The water that you drink is fresh and crisp, and all of this can be done without bankrupting ourselves. We have to return to an era of rebuilding public housing in the United States.

And she's dreaming, again.

What's not viable about that? AOC just made an exact description of where my sister lives. Her rent is based on a percentage of her income.

The economic reality.

What economic "reality" are you talking about?

She's got a big problem understanding what things will actually cost.

How do you know what things will actually cost?

What do they cost now? It's not like she can wave some magic wand and change economics.

Everything she's called Green New Deal in the past has been garbage, I see no reason to think that's changed and every reason to think her pie in the sky is nonsense.

 

[lpetrich]

I'll unroll the layers of quotes. The original was from The Green New Deal for Public Housing with AOC - YouTube
AOC on public housing, with a little bit of editing by me to make nicer-flowing text.

I want people to imagine a different world. We do not have to accept this world that we are living in now. We can imagine, and we can achieve, something new. Imagine waking up in your apartment. It's beautiful, it's affordable, you can raise a family in it. You walk outside, and there's a beautiful playground, and there's kids already playing in that playground. Your children go out there, and they are connected to a community. You turn around the corner, and in that building there's a community center where seniors are preparing activities and that they're getting ready to to connect with one another. We walk out and there's a barbecue on a Saturday, and your school is good, and the energy that powers your home is not filling up your lungs, and you don't have to worry if the paint on the walls is exposing your kid to lead. The water that you drink is fresh and crisp, and all of this can be done without bankrupting ourselves. We have to return to an era of rebuilding public housing in the United States.

Then this exchange between Loren Pechtel and ZiprHead

LP: And she's dreaming, again.

ZH: What's not viable about that? AOC just made an exact description of where my sister lives. Her rent is based on a percentage of her income.

LP: The economic reality.

ZH: What economic "reality" are you talking about?

LP: She's got a big problem understanding what things will actually cost.

ZH: How do you know what things will actually cost?

LP: What do they cost now? It's not like she can wave some magic wand and change economics.

Me: that seems like knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. Especially without stating what financial horrors that AOC's scenario supposedly involves.

Everything she's called Green New Deal in the past has been garbage, I see no reason to think that's changed and every reason to think her pie in the sky is nonsense.

Pure assertion.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'll unroll the layers of quotes. The original was from The Green New Deal for Public Housing with AOC - YouTube
AOC on public housing, with a little bit of editing by me to make nicer-flowing text.

I want people to imagine a different world. We do not have to accept this world that we are living in now. We can imagine, and we can achieve, something new. Imagine waking up in your apartment. It's beautiful, it's affordable, you can raise a family in it. You walk outside, and there's a beautiful playground, and there's kids already playing in that playground. Your children go out there, and they are connected to a community. You turn around the corner, and in that building there's a community center where seniors are preparing activities and that they're getting ready to to connect with one another. We walk out and there's a barbecue on a Saturday, and your school is good, and the energy that powers your home is not filling up your lungs, and you don't have to worry if the paint on the walls is exposing your kid to lead. The water that you drink is fresh and crisp, and all of this can be done without bankrupting ourselves. We have to return to an era of rebuilding public housing in the United States.

Then this exchange between Loren Pechtel and ZiprHead

LP: And she's dreaming, again.

ZH: What's not viable about that? AOC just made an exact description of where my sister lives. Her rent is based on a percentage of her income.

LP: The economic reality.

ZH: What economic "reality" are you talking about?

LP: She's got a big problem understanding what things will actually cost.

ZH: How do you know what things will actually cost?

LP: What do they cost now? It's not like she can wave some magic wand and change economics.

Me: that seems like knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. Especially without stating what financial horrors that AOC's scenario supposedly involves.

Everything she's called Green New Deal in the past has been garbage, I see no reason to think that's changed and every reason to think her pie in the sky is nonsense.

Pure assertion.

The fundamental issue here is that her proposals are expensive and no concept of how to fund them.

 

[ZiprHead]

I'll unroll the layers of quotes. The original was from The Green New Deal for Public Housing with AOC - YouTube
AOC on public housing, with a little bit of editing by me to make nicer-flowing text.

I want people to imagine a different world. We do not have to accept this world that we are living in now. We can imagine, and we can achieve, something new. Imagine waking up in your apartment. It's beautiful, it's affordable, you can raise a family in it. You walk outside, and there's a beautiful playground, and there's kids already playing in that playground. Your children go out there, and they are connected to a community. You turn around the corner, and in that building there's a community center where seniors are preparing activities and that they're getting ready to to connect with one another. We walk out and there's a barbecue on a Saturday, and your school is good, and the energy that powers your home is not filling up your lungs, and you don't have to worry if the paint on the walls is exposing your kid to lead. The water that you drink is fresh and crisp, and all of this can be done without bankrupting ourselves. We have to return to an era of rebuilding public housing in the United States.

Then this exchange between Loren Pechtel and ZiprHead

LP: And she's dreaming, again.

ZH: What's not viable about that? AOC just made an exact description of where my sister lives. Her rent is based on a percentage of her income.

LP: The economic reality.

ZH: What economic "reality" are you talking about?

LP: She's got a big problem understanding what things will actually cost.

ZH: How do you know what things will actually cost?

LP: What do they cost now? It's not like she can wave some magic wand and change economics.

Me: that seems like knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. Especially without stating what financial horrors that AOC's scenario supposedly involves.

Everything she's called Green New Deal in the past has been garbage, I see no reason to think that's changed and every reason to think her pie in the sky is nonsense.

Pure assertion.

Thank you.

 

[ZiprHead]

I'll unroll the layers of quotes. The original was from The Green New Deal for Public Housing with AOC - YouTube
AOC on public housing, with a little bit of editing by me to make nicer-flowing text.

I want people to imagine a different world. We do not have to accept this world that we are living in now. We can imagine, and we can achieve, something new. Imagine waking up in your apartment. It's beautiful, it's affordable, you can raise a family in it. You walk outside, and there's a beautiful playground, and there's kids already playing in that playground. Your children go out there, and they are connected to a community. You turn around the corner, and in that building there's a community center where seniors are preparing activities and that they're getting ready to to connect with one another. We walk out and there's a barbecue on a Saturday, and your school is good, and the energy that powers your home is not filling up your lungs, and you don't have to worry if the paint on the walls is exposing your kid to lead. The water that you drink is fresh and crisp, and all of this can be done without bankrupting ourselves. We have to return to an era of rebuilding public housing in the United States.

Then this exchange between Loren Pechtel and ZiprHead

LP: And she's dreaming, again.

ZH: What's not viable about that? AOC just made an exact description of where my sister lives. Her rent is based on a percentage of her income.

LP: The economic reality.

ZH: What economic "reality" are you talking about?

LP: She's got a big problem understanding what things will actually cost.

ZH: How do you know what things will actually cost?

LP: What do they cost now? It's not like she can wave some magic wand and change economics.

Me: that seems like knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. Especially without stating what financial horrors that AOC's scenario supposedly involves.

Everything she's called Green New Deal in the past has been garbage, I see no reason to think that's changed and every reason to think her pie in the sky is nonsense.

Pure assertion.

The fundamental issue here is that her proposals are expensive and no concept of how to fund them.

How does the government always fund thing?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The fundamental issue here is that her proposals are expensive and no concept of how to fund them.

How does the government always fund thing?

Look at what she proposed with energy. Spending that would severely mess up our economy and ignoring the fact that the storage tech doesn't exist to make solar/wind viable as primary sources.

She's fallen into the fallacies that there's always enough money for anything "good" and that there is always a good solution if you look for it hard enough.

 

[lpetrich]

The fundamental issue here is that her proposals are expensive and no concept of how to fund them.

How does the government always fund thing?

Look at what she proposed with energy. Spending that would severely mess up our economy and ignoring the fact that the storage tech doesn't exist to make solar/wind viable as primary sources.

As if the present state of technological development cannot possibly be surpassed. Wind turbines and solar panels have had exponential growth over much of the last half-century, and lithium-ion batteries have had similar growth more recently. There is not much evidence that any of them has reached the sort of maximum that many previous technologies have reached, and there are alternative battery technologies that have a good chance of competing with Li-ion in stationary applications.

She's fallen into the fallacies that there's always enough money for anything "good" and that there is always a good solution if you look for it hard enough.

More empty assertions.

 

[lpetrich]

Pride | Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - YouTube

From the very beginning, Pride has been about the joy, celebration, and political struggle for LGBTQIA+ liberation.
To our LGBTQ+ family across America: you are loved. You are cherished. And I will fight for you until the very end.
Happy Pride.

With someone in it saying to AOC "You really revived my faith in the US Government"

Campaign ad: One Vote | Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - YouTube

The cynics will tell you that one vote won’t change anything.
But what they don’t tell you is that nothing can change without a vote.
The truth is, the world doesn’t belong to the cynics. It’s up to us.
New York: It’s time to vote.
Tuesday, June 25th.
Spread the word.

Ad from her first campaign, in 2018: The Courage to Change | Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - YouTube

Ad from her second campaign, in 2020: A Better World is Possible | Full Video | Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - YouTube

The Green New Deal, with Naomi Klein, Molly Crabapple, and several others, in 2019: A Message From the Future With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - YouTube

Naomi Klein is the sober Naomi, as opposed to Naomi Wolf.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The fundamental issue here is that her proposals are expensive and no concept of how to fund them.

How does the government always fund thing?

Look at what she proposed with energy. Spending that would severely mess up our economy and ignoring the fact that the storage tech doesn't exist to make solar/wind viable as primary sources.

As if the present state of technological development cannot possibly be surpassed. Wind turbines and solar panels have had exponential growth over much of the last half-century, and lithium-ion batteries have had similar growth more recently. There is not much evidence that any of them has reached the sort of maximum that many previous technologies have reached, and there are alternative battery technologies that have a good chance of competing with Li-ion in stationary applications.

Li-Ion simply can't hold enough. They already deliver about 10% of the theoretical max for the chemistry (and in the real world you'll never actually get near that max.) The thing is it's not even in the ballpark of enough power. We have one storage technology that actually could hold enough: hydrogen. The whole setup is horrendously expensive and quite inefficient. It would only hold "enough" by clobbering electric use--and clobbering our economy with it. The Great Depression would look like boom times.

There's nothing in the pipeline and it's a long time from when something shows up in the lab to when it can be deployed at grid scale. We can do reactors a lot faster than that.

She's fallen into the fallacies that there's always enough money for anything "good" and that there is always a good solution if you look for it hard enough.

More empty assertions.

Look at the total lack of addressing cost/benefit in her garbage.

In the real world the only part of her plan that has "worked" is getting rid of reactors--and thus increasing carbon emissions. The rest of it is garbage.

 

[Swammerdami]

Yeah. My problem with her is that she pays more attention to causes rather than whether they are actually viable. She does seem to have moderated somewhat.

I think it's delightful when Congresscritters are able to "blue sky" and "push the envelope" with their hopes for the future. AOC is a wonderful Congresswoman and, by the way, probably understands economics better than most of the Republioturds in the House.

Get back to us with a valid complaint when one of AOC's impractical plans actually passes both Houses of Congress and gets signed into law by POTUS.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yeah. My problem with her is that she pays more attention to causes rather than whether they are actually viable. She does seem to have moderated somewhat.

I think it's delightful when Congresscritters are able to "blue sky" and "push the envelope" with their hopes for the future. AOC is a wonderful Congresswoman and, by the way, probably understands economics better than most of the Republioturds in the House.

Get back to us with a valid complaint when one of AOC's impractical plans actually passes both Houses of Congress and gets signed into law by POTUS.

I don't. Blue sky approaches do not work in environments where you must deal with legacy systems. And reality is the ultimate legacy system.

 

[Arctish]

Recently I visited The Henry Ford Museum of American Innovation, and lemme tell ya, all those "blue sky" approaches were really cool to look at. Too bad old Henry's vision of every American household owning a car (preferably a Ford automobile) was up against the legacy of the horse drawn cart and foot traffic, those giant diesel locomotives couldn't replace the pretty little wood and coal burners, and Thomas Edison's crazy ideas about lighting up entire cities relied on a huge expenditure of public funds to string wires everywhere and there was no way that was ever going to happen.

Still, if you like blue sky approaches, check out the museum the next time you're in the Detroit area.

 

[Derec]

Recently I visited The Henry Ford Museum of American Innovation, and lemme tell ya, all those "blue sky" approaches were really cool to look at. Too bad old Henry's vision of every American household owning a car (preferably a Ford automobile) was up against the legacy of the horse drawn cart and foot traffic,

Being more walkable would actually be good for American cities.
That said, Karl Benz patented his motor vehicle in 1886. Ford's Model T came out in 1908. But cars did not become nearly ubiquitous until after WWII.

those giant diesel locomotives couldn't replace the pretty little wood and coal burners,

Not a good example. Diesel locomotives still use the same infrastructure and diesel fuel is superior to coal in almost every regard. In fact, is is this superiority of liquid hydrocarbons (gasoline, diesel, jet fuel) as fuels that is making the transition ahead of us so challenging.

and Thomas Edison's crazy ideas about lighting up entire cities relied on a huge expenditure of public funds to string wires everywhere and there was no way that was ever going to happen.

Edison made the first light bulb in 1879. Electricity became ubiquitous in major cities like the NYC by the end of the century, especially when Tesla's AC standard was adopted (Edison's DC standard was not practical for transmission). But rural areas weren't electrified to any large extent until the late 30s or so, and it wasn't until the 1950s that electricity became ubiquitous nationwide.

Still, if you like blue sky approaches, check out the museum the next time you're in the Detroit area.

By all means. And also appreciate the challenges and the scale of the task. These major changes to the US economy took decades to proliferate. AOC's GND had a horizon of 10 years, and almost half of it is already gone and she hasn't even written the actual legislation, much less passed it.
The GND was also filled with left-wing ideas unrelated to climate or environment, ideas such as federal job guarantees, as well as unpopular ideas like getting rid of air travel or "farting cows".