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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

https://newrepublic.com/article/153966/fear-loathing-green-new-deal

One of the less-appreciated wonders of the Green New Deal—the proposal for large-scale federal investment in alternative energy sources introduced in February by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Senator Edward Markey—is that it presses almost all the buttons of the right at once. It’s the brainchild of a woman (a young Latina at that). It conjures up the ambitious, habit-altering agendas of radical environmentalists—and if this wasn’t bad enough, it reaches all the way back to the original modern program of radical reform, the New Deal! Identity politics, the New Left, the Old Left: For eager right-wing merchants of ideological invective, the Green New Deal has it all.

Precisely because it seems to embody so many of the right’s worst fears, the response to the Green New Deal provides us with a catalogue of conservative arguments in all their schizophrenic glory. Post after tweet after editorial oscillates madly between a depiction of the Green New Deal as sheer folly, a laughable and frivolous exercise in ultraliberal vanity, barely worthy of analysis—and a portrayal of savvy, power-crazed environmentalists rubbing their hands with glee....

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And here the past serves as an instructive prologue; we’ve seen pretty much this same furor over imperiled liberty and hovering tyranny in the concerted bid from some business leaders to stigmatize and delegitimize the original New Deal. Right-wing foes of the 1930s program of social and economic reform hailed each newly arrived New Deal initiative as the harbinger of social revolution—when, that is, they weren’t wringing their hands over its “ravenous madness” (as one American Liberty League pamphlet put it) or warning against the tentacles of bureaucracy strangling a once-free land. What we view today as barely controversial registered then as a series of seismic shocks to the entire social order.

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But Wall Street conspicuously dissented. The investment economy’s opposition focused on two main points: Wall Street savants predicted that the Securities Act would slow economic recovery and thus prolong the depression; and they painted a dire portrait of a bureaucratic state gone mad, seeking ever-greater control and power. At first, it seemed that Wall Street would accept the new law, if warily. Even though “the underlying principle of Federal control of business is as repugnant as ever,” the New York Times wrote, “most industries and business executives are resignedly falling in with the purposes of the two-year experiment which Congress has been asked to authorize.” But this grudging toleration for regulation quickly gave way to resentment. A 14,000-word article in Fortune magazine in August 1933 (by lawyer Arthur H. Dean of the New York firm of Sullivan & Cromwell) warned that the act “contains many provisions not apparent on the first reading which will have a profound effect on the entire economic system of the country.” What’s more, Dean continued, the measure was “drastically deflationary” and “may seriously retard economic recovery.”

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Much of the hostility toward the Green New Deal is difficult to separate from the right’s obsessive denigration of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez—referred to affectionately by Glenn Beck and others as “Alexandria Occasional Cortex.” Commenters over at Free Republic describe her as a self-absorbed “bimbo” and a “very slow learner.” There’s an attitude of disbelief that this young woman could possibly be in Congress at all, let alone proposing something as ambitious as a Green New Deal. The apotheosis of this demonization campaign is the notion—put forward in an online video that has been promoted by Fox News host Sean Hannity among others—that Ocasio-Cortez is a puppet entirely controlled by the Justice Democrats, a caucus they portray as a Leninist vanguard of power-mad state planning. Ocasio-Cortez is, in this dark surmise, “not really the Congresswoman from New York’s 14th Congressional District. She is—essentially—an actress, she’s merely playing the part of a New York Congresswoman.” AOC is at once a virago drunk on her own self-aggrandizement and an incompetent ditz; the people who support her are dupes, idiots, or both.

In some ways, these critiques themselves echo the dismissive contempt many conservatives famously held for FDR; the president was often characterized as an intellectual lightweight (“a pleasant man who, without any important qualifications for the office, would like very much to be president,” journalist Walter Lippmann, a founding editor of The New Republic, wrote in 1932). Occasionally, they depicted FDR as a cripple who had no business running for national office (these criticisms were more whispered while he was on the campaign trail than publicly lobbed at the exceedingly popular president). Both in the 1930s and today, such personal attacks become a way of diminishing the program while also implicitly undermining a demos foolish enough to have chosen such a fraudulent leader.

The more sophisticated critiques of the Green New Deal follow a rhetorical structure that Hirschman surely would have recognized from earlier campaigns against universal suffrage and the welfare state. Whatever the proponents of the Green New Deal may intend, such critics lament, their plans will actually lead to the exact opposite outcome. Writers at the American Enterprise Institute have argued that the Green New Deal will “unintentionally inhibit” investment in clean technology by encouraging companies to sign up for government contracts rather than invest in research and development to develop low-carbon machines. They have insisted that what looks like environmental legislation is in fact the opposite: “To achieve ‘Green New Socialism’ we would have to trash all existing environmental laws,” writes Mark Perry on the American Enterprise Institute’s Carpe Diem blog. Building renewable energy sources would mean abandoning habitat protections and other longstanding environmental laws—jeopardizing the natural landscape in return for preserving the social one, argues Myron Ebell over at the website of the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Much the same set of unintended-cum-ironic consequences are sure to attend the Green New Deal’s specific provisions for economic reform. In the telling of its critics, the Green New Deal’s stated attempts to address economic inequality would only lead to the further entrenchment of crony capitalism and the impoverishment of the working-class people it purports to help.

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In a way, the public relations barrage is not at all surprising. After all, for many years, the entire public debate about climate change has been hamstrung by the wealth and political power of the fossil fuel industry. The top 25 oil and gas companies alone produced $73 billion in profits in 2017. Industries tied to fossil fuels spent nearly $2 billion in lobbying between 2000 and 2016, according to a report from the Public Accountability Initiative. As Kate Aronoff put it at The Intercept, the result has been that significant parts of the Republican political establishment recycle fuzzy science and insist that climate change is no more than a hoax, a socialist plot or some other variety of wild-eyed conspiratorial maneuver; meanwhile, those liberal politicians who admit the reality of the problem have entirely failed to generate any political energy for actually addressing it. As the Sunrise Movement has pointed out, many of these political leaders, too, routinely collect financial contributions from the fossil fuel industry.

No one objects to debate and analysis (though this is not quite the same as derisive laughter), and there’s clearly much that remains uncertain about the Green New Deal. But it’s hard to escape the sense that it has elicited such a strong response precisely because it represents the first effort to shake off the complacency and timidity that have for far too long marked the mainstream response to climate change. It’s the first attempt to mount a response to the emergency that treats it as an emergency. Here, too, looking back to the New Deal may be helpful. The 1930s businessmen and newspaper editors who assailed the first New Deal were in many cases alarmists, and in some instances, flat-out paranoid. The 1933 Securities Act was not, after all, the first step on the road to serfdom.

But in one key sense, they were on to something. In marshaling broad-based opposition to the first New Deal, they helped popularize the ideas of the business executives who joined the Liberty League or financed the Republicans in 1936 or resisted labor unions in the 1930s and again after World War II. And it’s true that, taken together, the measures of the New Deal did actually entail a significant transfer of political power and social resources away from the elite—a partial and limited one, but a substantive one nonetheless.

The same will be true of any meaningful proposal to cope with climate change. This is not a problem that can be confronted in a technocratic way that avoids all redistribution of resources; in its essence, it suggests that certain social goods are more important than an individual’s right to consume whatever he or she wants to with no regard for the consequences, or a company’s right to profit above all else. As such, it’s going to meet with tremendous resistance, and it will take an enormous show of political will to overcome it.

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I recommend the entire article.

It reads just like the socialist manifesto that it is!
I find it interesting how the buzzwords from the right-wing get parroted from those that feed at that trough.
 
(article on the Green New Deal...)
It reads just like the socialist manifesto that it is!
Define "socialism".

Also, explain why everything you label "socialism" fits that label.

AOC Hits Back At Trump After He Half-Quotes Her On Twitter
Trump and Ocasio-Cortez in Twitter battle over impeachment and what's driving Democrats - ABC News
"I really believe the only way that we're going to be able to beat this president is with a progressive candidate," she said to The Young Turks show "Rebel HQ" earlier this month. "We need candidates that are committed to Medicare for all, to tuition-free public colleges and universities. We need a candidate that is dedicated to passing at least a $15 minimum wage, ideally one that's pegged to inflation."
This Week on Twitter: "Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the 2020 election: "It's possible that I'll endorse later on ... I do not see myself endorsing anytime soon. We haven't even had our first debates yet. I'm very interested in seeing how things play out" [url]https://t.co/3S3qFJFu4C https://t.co/EU69fBAM71" / Twitter[/url]
She said that she would support the former vice president -- who is seen as a moderate figure and has campaigned on his ability to work across the aisle -- if he wins the Democratic nomination.

"I think that it is absolutely important that we defeat Donald Trump," Ocasio-Cortez said, adding, "I think that we need to pick a candidate that is going to be exciting to vote for, that all people, women, people of all genders, races, income levels, geographies feel excited and good about voting for."

Biden claimed in March that he has "the most progressive record of anyone running."
And Trump is the absolute greatest in everything. :p That seems rather Trumpian to me.
The progressive freshman congresswoman said that she's "encouraged" by Biden's reversal on the Hyde Amendment, which blocks federal funding for abortion, calling the stance the "very base level where all candidates need to be."

However, when asked about allegations of inappropriate touching and comments by Biden, Ocasio-Cortez said, "I do think that there may be some discomfort," among voters, citing recent comments where Biden told a 13-year-old girl that her brothers need to watch out for her. "I think there are some things with female voters that it's just not quite locked down."
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "From “day one?” Really? 1 in 10 of Amazon’s Ohio employees were on food stamps after the company opened fulfillment centers in the state. Paying full-time employees so little that they require gov food assistance is what paying starvation wages means. [url]https://t.co/jJrWkxGONh https://t.co/B6guAikAOX" / Twitter[/url] noting Amazon Is Worth $1 Trillion. Its Workers Are on Food Stamps.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Right, bc sucking Puerto Ricans - full US citizens - dry while closing public schools, building fossil fuel pipelines against their will, & not allowing them to vote so Vulture Funds can levg the island’s illegal debt for Wall St profit is... old fashioned American capitalism? 🤔 https://t.co/Qbc8FkuMR5" / Twitter noting Resistbot on Twitter: "McConnell calls granting statehood to D.C. and Puerto Rico, “full bore socialism.” https://t.co/LXi71EMtDV" / Twitter

And Federally-funded transportation projects in his state are not "socialism", right? Mitch McConnell and Elaine Chao's empire of corruption: Is this what "normal" looks like, Joe Biden? | Salon.com “I was complaining to her just last night, 169 projects and Kentucky got only five. I hope we’ll do a lot better next year.”

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) / Twitter noting NowThis on Twitter: "‘We cannot prove medical promise unless we fund the research.’ — @AOC got Republicans to prove her point about cannabis, MDMA, and psilocybin research https://t.co/axua6eRucS" / Twitter
 
Ryan Saavedra on Twitter: "Ocasio-Cortez falsely claims Trump is operating concentration camps, compares the situation to the Holocaust: “The U.S. is running concentration camps on our southern border and that is exactly what they are. … ‘Never Again’ means something ... we need to do something about it” https://t.co/F2MmZ8y2dT" / Twitter linking to some video of AOC describing the Trump Admin as having created concentration camps. She also called the admin "authoritarian" and "fascist".

Ryan Saavedra on Twitter: "AOC compares Trump to Hitler here: -‘Never Again’ references the Holocaust -Concentration camps are a reference to the Holocaust -AOC mentions WWII internment camps Japanese Americans were forced in -Calling Trump a "fascist" is comparing him to Hitler given the time period" / Twitter
If the shoe fits... this is someone who was curiously sympathetic to the neo-Nazis of Charlottesville, even though his son-in-law lost relatives to the original Nazis.

Ryan Saavedra on Twitter: "Which begs the question, what did AOC mean when she said: “we need to do something about it”? She is saying Trump is Hitler and is running concentration camps and then says “we need to do something about it” That sounds an awful lot like incitement" / Twitter
Ryan Saavedra on Twitter: "This claim by AOC is very deceptive: “This week children, immigrant children, were moved to the same internment camps where the Japanese were held in the earlier 20th century” -The facility is Fort Sill Army Base -It's the same facility that Obama used for the same reason" / Twitter
Ryan Saavedra on Twitter: "Furthermore, the crisis on the border has been caused by Democrats who *refuse* to secure the border and who have also *refused* to provide the funding and resources that DHS desperately needs to fix the situation" / Twitter

The video showed her wearing a T-shirt with "Rematriate the Land" though the video was mirror-imaged.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "This administration has established concentration camps on the southern border of the United States for immigrants, where they are being brutalized with dehumanizing conditions and dying. This is not hyperbole. It is the conclusion of expert analysis ⬇️ https://t.co/2dWHxb7UuL" / Twitter noting Concentration Camps Expert Andrea Pitzer: The Trump Administration Is Running Camps at the Southern Border - "Things can be concentration camps without being Dachau or Auschwitz."
Not every concentration camp is a death camp—in fact, their primary purpose is rarely extermination, and never in the beginning. Often, much of the death and suffering is a result of insufficient resources, overcrowding, and deteriorating conditions. So far, 24 people have died in the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement under the Trump administration, while six children have died in the care of other agencies since September.
Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg on Twitter: "Ok, Internet. Time to learn the difference between concentration camps and death (“extermination”) camps. Germany started with concentration camps in 1933. Death camps started in 1941. Never again is now. https://t.co/W3rbM5asVc" / Twitter
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "And for the shrieking Republicans who don’t know the difference: concentration camps are not the same as death camps. Concentration camps are considered by experts as “the mass detention of civilians without trial.” And that’s exactly what this administration is doing." / Twitter

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Hey Rep. Cheney, since you’re so eager to “educate me,” I’m curious: What do YOU call building mass camps of people being detained without a trial? How would you dress up DHS’s mass separation of thousands children at the border from their parents? https://t.co/OOfrrfa1Ew" / Twitter noting Liz Cheney on Twitter: "Please @AOC do us all a favor and spend just a few minutes learning some actual history. 6 million Jews were exterminated in the Holocaust. You demean their memory and disgrace yourself with comments like this. https://t.co/NX5KPPb2Hl" / Twitter

She was there a year ago: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "The child detention camps are here - I confronted the border officers myself. Using their names, I told them exactly what they are responsible for. One of them made eye contact with me. I spoke directly to him. I saw his sense of guilt. We can dismantle this. #AbolishICE https://t.co/QLyc9MAnkt" / Twitter (2018 June 24)
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "This administration has established concentration camps on the southern border of the United States for immigrants, where they are being brutalized with dehumanizing conditions and dying.
Oh please! These detention centers are nothing like concentration camps. And the few of the illegals who died did so not because of the treatment they received in the centers but because they brought diseases with them from Central America.

This is not hyperbole.
It is a huge hyperbole.

"Things can be concentration camps without being Dachau or Auschwitz."
The only reason pro-open-borders politicians like AOC use language like "concentration camps" is to invoke imagery or Dachau and Auschwitz, no matter what the technical definition might be.

So far, 24 people have died in the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement under the Trump administration, while six children have died in the care of other agencies since September.
That's not that many given how many mass migrants are flooding through our southern border and the fact that many are carrying diseases with them and have just traveled 1000s of miles. Maybe they should have stayed home, eh?
That's like blaming EU for all the mass migrants who drown in the Mediterranean. EU did not tell these people to try to immigrate illegally.


Concentration camps are considered by experts as “the mass detention of civilians without trial.” And that’s exactly what this administration is doing." / Twitter
So what should we do? Just let them all go? These mass migrants are deliberately trying to invade our border. The solution is not to make it even easier on them, because that will invite even more.
 
"Evaluate" would be too generous a verb. It exhibits the same level of thinking as using slurs like "reichwing" and "morons" does.

Right because you didn't fucking post pictures of AOC in the thread and call her ugly. No one's buying your hypocritical arguments, Derec.
1. What does that have to do with this? This huge thread is filled with separate discussions, some more serious than others.
2. I was not the one who brought up her looks. I merely responded to somebody else calling her good looking. And I did not call her "ugly" exactly. I just said she had crazy eyes.
 
Let's not forget that the progressive's hero FDR (also a Democrat) put people in internment camps in WW2. But, that is glossed over by the Dems and progressives.
 
Let's not forget that the progressive's hero FDR (also a Democrat) put people in internment camps in WW2. But, that is glossed over by the Dems and progressives.

FDR was wrong to do so. See, some people are capable of criticizing their "heroes". When was the last time you criticized Trump?

Also, it is not glossed over, as many who are criticizing Trump on this issue are specifically drawing attention to the fact that he is using the same camp location FDR used during WW2.
 
"Evaluate" would be too generous a verb. It exhibits the same level of thinking as using slurs like "reichwing" and "morons" does.

Right because you didn't fucking post pictures of AOC in the thread and call her ugly. No one's buying your hypocritical arguments, Derec.
1. What does that have to do with this? This huge thread is filled with separate discussions, some more serious than others.
2. I was not the one who brought up her looks. I merely responded to somebody else calling her good looking. And I did not call her "ugly" exactly. I just said she had crazy eyes.

Nice try. None of this means you did not post a hypocritical argument.
 
Let's not forget that the progressive's hero FDR (also a Democrat) put people in internment camps in WW2. But, that is glossed over by the Dems and progressives.

FDR was wrong to do so. See, some people are capable of criticizing their "heroes". When was the last time you criticized Trump?

Also, it is not glossed over, as many who are criticizing Trump on this issue are specifically drawing attention to the fact that he is using the same camp location FDR used during WW2.

It's hard to completely fault Trump for this considering the separation policy was put in place by the Democrats, not the Republicans.
 
Let's not forget that the progressive's hero FDR (also a Democrat) put people in internment camps in WW2. But, that is glossed over by the Dems and progressives.
I note that some right-wingers *defend* those camps, right-wingers like Michelle Malkin who wrote a whole book defending them. That is why I find such arguments disingenuous.

This should indicate which side she is on: VENT The Defeatocrats' Cheer - YouTube
 
Let's not forget that the progressive's hero FDR (also a Democrat) put people in internment camps in WW2. But, that is glossed over by the Dems and progressives.

FDR was wrong to do so. See, some people are capable of criticizing their "heroes". When was the last time you criticized Trump?

Also, it is not glossed over, as many who are criticizing Trump on this issue are specifically drawing attention to the fact that he is using the same camp location FDR used during WW2.

It's hard to completely fault Trump for this considering the separation policy was put in place by the Democrats, not the Republicans.

So how much do you fault him for?
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "This video was from 1 year ago this week - before my primary & the Fox News cycle. I flew to the concentration camp where the Trump admin was keeping children they stole from their parents. Back then, I was voicing my conscience. I still am. #AbolishICE https://t.co/QLyc9MiMsV" / Twitter with some video of her at the fence of one of these camps. She is likely the woman in a white shirt and white pants to the left.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Also @Liz_Cheney, the fact that you employed the horrifying word “exterminated” here (co-opting the language of the oppressor) tells us that it’s *you* that needs to brush up on your reading. Hope you enjoy defending concentration camps. I won’t back down fighting against them. https://t.co/OOfrrfa1Ew" / Twitter noting Liz Cheney's tweet.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Ah yes, because history knows that people who run concentration camp systems almost always acknowledge to the public what they’re doing. https://t.co/HOX7HGNIrm" / Twitter noting Saagar Enjeti on Twitter: "NEW: Acting @ICEgov Director Mark Morgan blasts @AOC comparison of migrant detention centers to concentration camps: "Its completely inappropriate, it's reckless, it's irresponsible, it's misinformed, and it's flat out wrong" [url]https://t.co/AXuIN72jZ9 https://t.co/B6pfc43E5C" / Twitter[/url]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Twitter Timeline: Tracking AOC's Transformation Into a Social Media Giant, One Tweet at a Time from Jan 24, with tweets back to 2017 July.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Last year I went to Standing Rock + encountered militarized fuel corps first-hand. Proud to say I'll never take a dime from them. https://t.co/lAE7bURXp4" / Twitter noting No Fossil Fuel Money on Twitter: ".@Ocasio2018, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, candidate for Congress in NY-14, just signed the #NoFossilFuelMoney pledge! [url]https://t.co/TdvVhA8Yrx https://t.co/Xx54gtbylO" / Twitter[/url] noting No Fossil Fuel Money Pledge

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "My grandfather died in PR along with over 900 others. The US government will not recognize the lives lost. Today the island had 18% power generation. And now the US government thinks its work is done. Tell them this is far from over. We need justice for #PuertoRico. https://t.co/33jnqzM3Go" / Twitter

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "As a New Yorker, I am tired of excuses from old school officials bankrolled by big money. I am done being told that we can’t educate our children, provide healthcare for all, and stop corruption + sexual violence in Albany. We can do it all. That’s why I support @CynthiaNixon. https://t.co/bpatVYo3kQ" / Twitter

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Growing up, my family couldn’t even afford The New York Times. In high school, I was told that the Times was “too advanced” for me to read. Today I’m on the front page. This one’s for my Bronx family. Don’t give up, even if you’re the only one who believes. You can do it. https://t.co/Qab9fuYi63" / Twitter noting Saikat Chakrabarti on Twitter: ".@Ocasio2018 on the front page of @nytimes today. I may be biased, but I think this race is going to be the biggest upset of 2018. [url]https://t.co/CoqOdX9WbR if you want to be a part of that. https://t.co/CNZZFLzqpo" / Twitter[/url]
 

Again with her completely inappropriate hyperbole. And "abolish ICE". She wants illegals to have an even easier time to enter and stay in the US than they do now.

I don't agree that it's inappropriate, and I don't agree that it's hyperbole.

Two years ago I visited the Minidoka Relocation Center. I happened to be there when a man who was interned as a child was also visiting, and I had a chance to talk to him about his experiences. What he described was so much like what is happening to families at our borders that arguing the differences is little more than quibbling.

Internment camps, Relocation centers, Concentration camps, they're just different words for _slightly_ different methods of imprisoning people for the 'crime' of being feared, hated, and unwanted, by a bigoted, prejudiced government authority.
 
Again with her completely inappropriate hyperbole. And "abolish ICE". She wants illegals to have an even easier time to enter and stay in the US than they do now.

Considering ICE was only formed in 2002 and the country has lasted far longer without it than with it, I think we'll be okay if it's abolished.
 
Again with her completely inappropriate hyperbole. And "abolish ICE". She wants illegals to have an even easier time to enter and stay in the US than they do now.
Considering ICE was only formed in 2002 and the country has lasted far longer without it than with it, I think we'll be okay if it's abolished.
My main problem with that is what would replace it -- will it end up like ICE?
 
It's hard to completely fault Trump for this considering the separation policy was put in place by the Democrats, not the Republicans.

So how much do you fault him for?

No idea. But, when illegals are arrested for being illegal, they have to put the kid somewhere. That's what the Democrats said and put in place.
 
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