Americans Don’t Miss Manufacturing — They Miss Unions

[SimpleDon]

Arsenal won 4-0 and their rivals Tottenham lost to Newcastle 5.1 to put Arsenal into second place one point above Tottingham, finishing above them again as Arsenal has for something like 21 years running.

Happy St. Tottingham's day!

English Premier League soccer.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

The balance of power has been shifting from workers and unions to management for decades. There seems to be increasing apathy amongst employees, may who seem willing to work for poor wages and conditions with little or no protest.

There has been a concerted effort to malign unionship. If you ask the average right-winger, they'll blame unions for all the problems in the world.

Have you ever even met a "right-winger"?

 

[SimpleDon]

There has been a concerted effort to malign unionship. If you ask the average right-winger, they'll blame unions for all the problems in the world.

Have you ever even met a "right-winger"?

Pro-Union right wingers are pretty rare, aren't they?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

That wasn't the question.

 

[J842P]

There has been a concerted effort to malign unionship. If you ask the average right-winger, they'll blame unions for all the problems in the world.

Have you ever even met a "right-winger"?

I grew up in Virginia. I've known and met plenty.

 

[fromderinside]

There has been a concerted effort to malign unionship. If you ask the average right-winger, they'll blame unions for all the problems in the world.

Have you ever even met a "right-winger"?

Three generations of them. My grandfather, a rancher in Montana who hated railroads and mining companies because they got land grab deals from the government, my stepmother, a raised in upstate NY near Lake George, and my half sister, who thinks selling medical technology and security systems are waves of the future. Some pretty broad swathes of conservative there.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Have you ever even met a "right-winger"?

Pro-Union right wingers are pretty rare, aren't they?

I know quite a few people who are pro-union and fiscally liberal but socially conservative (religious). Not sure if they would qualify as right winger or not.

 

[fromderinside]

Pro-Union right wingers are pretty rare, aren't they?

I know quite a few people who are pro-union and fiscally liberal but socially conservative (religious). Not sure if they would qualify as right winger or not.

Oh, yeah. Right winger that.

 

[untermensche]

Right wingers in the US are authoritarians.

They want those with the most money to make all the rules.

They despise anything that tries to level the playing field and create fairness, like unions.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Have you ever even met a "right-winger"?

I grew up in Virginia. I've known and met plenty.

Did they actually blame unions for all the problems in the world? Islamic Terrorism is unionized? Transgenders in Target bathrooms are unionized?

 

[SimpleDon]

That wasn't the question.

Sorry, I have met a lot of right wingers, including my 88 year old father. I live in Georgia which is a right winger haven. I know Newt Gingrich professionally, I helped raise money for his first campaign in the suburban Atlanta congressional district that he moved to when the then Democratic state legislature gerrymandered him out of his district in West Georgia. Some people consider him to be a right winger.

I am an engineer. Most engineers are conservative. I have an MBA. Most people who have an MBA are conservative. I was an executive in a fairly large corporation. I was on the Executive board of directors. Not many liberals there. So the majority of the people that I worked with were conservative.

So, I answered your question. Can you now answer my question?

Which was intended to steer the discussion back to the subject of the thread, unions.

Pro-Union right wingers are pretty rare, aren't they?

 

[SimpleDon]

Pro-Union right wingers are pretty rare, aren't they?

I know quite a few people who are pro-union and fiscally liberal but socially conservative (religious). Not sure if they would qualify as right winger or not.

I don't know either. I didn't use the term right winger originally. I am not sure what it means. I am assuming that it is something further to the right of politically conservative. Think talk radio and rabidly conservative, one who defends the label "conservative" as well as taking conservative positions.

I am sure that Jason is going to call him out for saving that all right wingers blame the unions for all of our problems. A bit of hyperbole that you have to let pass here if you don't want to bog down the discussion, in my opinion.

 

[SimpleDon]

I grew up in Virginia. I've known and met plenty.

Did they actually blame unions for all the problems in the world? Islamic Terrorism is unionized? Transgenders in Target bathrooms are unionized?

You take all of the fun out of the discussion board if you call out people for using a bit of hyperbole.

Like transgenders in Target bathrooms.

 

[laughing dog]

The result being a steady decline to the bottom for workers wages and conditions while wealth continues to concentrate at the top of the economic food chain.

It's all about supply and demand.

Those who are in oversupply experience decreasing value. more easily replaceable = lower value = lower income.

Not ALL workers are declining. Only those whose VALUE is declining experience the declining incomes. Some workers, the ones more valuable, experience higher incomes to reflect their increasing value.

However, there are a few workers who manage to keep pace even though their value is declining. I.e., the ones who WHINE extra loud might succeed in getting paid more than they're worth, one way or another, in which case it's always at the expense of consumers and taxpayers who have to pay the cost for this extra subsidy to them to appease their WHINING.

I must say, that the headline claim of the above post is rebutted by this poster's lack of success in making convincing arguments or getting the world to resemble his views.

 

[iolo]

Capitalism couldn't exist without brainwashing the mugs, so it is important to distinguish between real 'right-wingers' (union-busting believers in unrestrained capitalism as long as it provides their own profit) and the quacking of the ducks and parroting of the parrots who obey them. The real Right is a very, very tiny minority - we could put them all in one jail.

 

[untermensche]

Capitalism couldn't exist without brainwashing the mugs, so it is important to distinguish between real 'right-wingers' (union-busting believers in unrestrained capitalism as long as it provides their own profit) and the quacking of the ducks and parroting of the parrots who obey them. The real Right is a very, very tiny minority - we could put them all in one jail.

The biggest form of brainwashing is making people accept the idea of dictatorship in the workplace.

But really in many cases it is learned helplessness, there is no alternative for many, not brainwashing.

 

[RVonse]

By making freedom of labor organization a stipulation in trade treaties, perhaps?

Well, I just can't imagine China ever agreeing to that. Do you?

Yes. If the donor class gets their globalist TPP agreement passed the way its being done in the US, China will not even know what they are signing until its too late.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Capitalism couldn't exist without brainwashing the mugs, so it is important to distinguish between real 'right-wingers' (union-busting believers in unrestrained capitalism as long as it provides their own profit) and the quacking of the ducks and parroting of the parrots who obey them. The real Right is a very, very tiny minority - we could put them all in one jail.

The biggest form of brainwashing is making people accept the idea of dictatorship in the workplace.

But really in many cases it is learned helplessness, there is no alternative for many, not brainwashing.

Nonsense, you can quit your job and become a major auto manufacturer with this one simple trick!

 

[coloradoatheist]

Capitalism couldn't exist without brainwashing the mugs, so it is important to distinguish between real 'right-wingers' (union-busting believers in unrestrained capitalism as long as it provides their own profit) and the quacking of the ducks and parroting of the parrots who obey them. The real Right is a very, very tiny minority - we could put them all in one jail.

The biggest form of brainwashing is making people accept the idea of dictatorship in the workplace.

But really in many cases it is learned helplessness, there is no alternative for many, not brainwashing.

I like that, if people disagree with your point of view it's because they are brainwashed.

 

[J842P]

I grew up in Virginia. I've known and met plenty.

Did they actually blame unions for all the problems in the world? Islamic Terrorism is unionized? Transgenders in Target bathrooms are unionized?

You're right, Jason. They don't actually blame unions for all of the world's problems. Thank you for the correction.