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Anita Sarkeesian's Tropes vs Women in Video Games

It started with her as an obnoxious Feminist who had been indoctrinated by "systems" to see everything as sexist, racist and homophobic, and she had to point it all out. That's her self described background and that's how she came into this as a "journalist".

Gamer Gate happened, wherein reviewers of video games (claiming to be journalists) were being clearly paid off by companies making games, leading to glowing reviews for horrible games. People were becoming less and less trusting of this review industry. This was getting a lot of attention and this is when Sarkeesian jumped in with her series about misogyny in video games. She has admitted in the past that video games didn't interest her much, and then later tried an about face on that, but it is pretty obvious if you watch her series that she started with very little knowledge about the industry. She did very little research, and in many cases doesn't seem to have played the games at all, as she used other people's footage of gameplay (without crediting the source and often without their consent), and despite having raised money from her supporters to do her research, which you would think would include buying and playing the games.

The most notorious example of her being completely misinformed about a game is her review of "Hitman", which she dresses up as a game that encourages you to kill women (when the game actually urges and rewards you to do the opposite, and protect them, while encouraging you to kill men). Another good example is her reviews or games like the Grand Theft Auto series and other series in which she complains that you can mow down women with guns, cars, etc.... neglecting to inform you that you can do the same to men and that men are usually the actual targets.

Of course a lot of stuff in video games IS sexist, but she didn't point just that out. She twisted and fabricated, to the point that a lot of gamers got offended by her. That may have been serendipity for her, or it may have been her plan. I don't know. But she certainly profited off of her newfound notoriety, doing paid speeches and continuing her "project" with funding from people who knew no better, thinking that they were encouraging a victim of horrid misogyny to fight back against the Man.

As a professional troll, she complained about the crazies targeting her with threats etc, as all prominent controversial public figures are (everyone from Jordan Peterson to Ben Shapiro to Sargon himself) and went on talk shows selling her victimhood. She did that now famous/infamous appearance as a panelist at a conference in which she interrupted it to call Sargon, a sharp critic of hers who was sitting silently in the front row, a "garbage human" and to rant and spew venom at him. She then rode the wave of hate she received in response to that as well.

That's really all there is or ever was to Sarkeesian. She is a waste of your time, and she has since faded considerably from fame.
 
It started with her as an obnoxious Feminist who had been indoctrinated by "systems" to see everything as sexist, racist and homophobic, and she had to point it all out. That's her self described background and that's how she came into this as a "journalist".

Gamer Gate happened, wherein reviewers of video games (claiming to be journalists) were being clearly paid off by companies making games, leading to glowing reviews for horrible games. People were becoming less and less trusting of this review industry. This was getting a lot of attention and this is when Sarkeesian jumped in with her series about misogyny in video games. She has admitted in the past that video games didn't interest her much, and then later tried an about face on that, but it is pretty obvious if you watch her series that she started with very little knowledge about the industry. She did very little research, and in many cases doesn't seem to have played the games at all, as she used other people's footage of gameplay (without crediting the source and often without their consent), and despite having raised money from her supporters to do her research, which you would think would include buying and playing the games.

The most notorious example of her being completely misinformed about a game is her review of "Hitman", which she dresses up as a game that encourages you to kill women (when the game actually urges and rewards you to do the opposite, and protect them, while encouraging you to kill men). Another good example is her reviews or games like the Grand Theft Auto series and other series in which she complains that you can mow down women with guns, cars, etc.... neglecting to inform you that you can do the same to men and that men are usually the actual targets.

Of course a lot of stuff in video games IS sexist, but she didn't point just that out. She twisted and fabricated, to the point that a lot of gamers got offended by her. That may have been serendipity for her, or it may have been her plan. I don't know. But she certainly profited off of her newfound notoriety, doing paid speeches and continuing her "project" with funding from people who knew no better, thinking that they were encouraging a victim of horrid misogyny to fight back against the Man.

As a professional troll, she complained about the crazies targeting her with threats etc, as all prominent controversial public figures are (everyone from Jordan Peterson to Ben Shapiro to Sargon himself) and went on talk shows selling her victimhood. She did that now famous/infamous appearance as a panelist at a conference in which she interrupted it to call Sargon, a sharp critic of hers who was sitting silently in the front row, a "garbage human" and to rant and spew venom at him. She then rode the wave of hate she received in response to that as well.

That's really all there is or ever was to Sarkeesian. She is a waste of your time, and she has since faded considerably from fame.
I emphasized something that might get lost in all the text.
 
One thing that always seems to get lost in these types of discussions is that any type of media usually represents the community that it's being sold in. Yes video games of old were more sexist, yes they're still partially sexist, and the reason for that is that the society we live in is still overwhelmingly sexist (and gamers are predominantly male)

I don't think it would be an exaggeration at all to say that if the user demographics of games completely shifted to women who craved strong female characters the entire industry would do a complete about face and produce them instantly. So it's not really a matter of the will to do it, it's a matter of selling to people who are buying video games. So it'd be great in theory to put out more stuff with a feminist edge, but in practice releasing more games like that is untenable.

So the problem isn't so much the gaming industry per se, as much as it's the people the gaming industry is trying to sell their games to. There's no real answer to this, and there doesn't need to be.. as this type of viewpoint changes over time, games will change with it.
 
Because it appears from her tone and body language that her admission of "obnoxiousness" is also an apology.

An apology for what though? For claiming that everything is sexist and racist, or for pointing it all out and being obnoxious about it?

And just because somebody apologizes for something (a stretch here) does that mean it is horribly wrong to depict them having said it when they themselves say that they had said it?

When Glen Beck came out and apologized for a number of things he said in the past, did that suddenly make it wrong to quote him as having said those things in the past? Is it suddenly horribly wrong to pass around the meme of him as a crazy man scribbling nonsense on a white board when talking about how people can be crazy in that way?

Or are we supposed to get offended in Sarkeesian's case because she is a woman? Or maybe because she is a professional victim?
 
An apology for what though? For claiming that everything is sexist and racist, or for pointing it all out and being obnoxious about it?
Wow, you really are grasping at straws here.
And just because somebody apologizes for something (a stretch here) does that mean it is horribly wrong to depict them having said it when they themselves say that they had said it?
It is wrong when they no longer believe it and apologize for it. No one denies she said what she literally said.
When Glen Beck came out and apologized for a number of things he said in the past, did that suddenly make it wrong to quote him as having said those things in the past? Is it suddenly horribly wrong to pass around the meme of him as a crazy man scribbling nonsense on a white board when talking about how people can be crazy in that way?
It is wrong if he is no longer a crazy man scribbling nonsense on a white board. Duh.


Or are we supposed to get offended in Sarkeesian's case because she is a woman? Or maybe because she is a professional victim?
Offended by what?
 
The most notorious example of her being completely misinformed about a game is her review of "Hitman", which she dresses up as a game that encourages you to kill women (when the game actually urges and rewards you to do the opposite, and protect them, while encouraging you to kill men). Another good example is her reviews or games like the Grand Theft Auto series and other series in which she complains that you can mow down women with guns, cars, etc.... neglecting to inform you that you can do the same to men and that men are usually the actual targets.

Of course a lot of stuff in video games IS sexist, but she didn't point just that out. She twisted and fabricated, to the point that a lot of gamers got offended by her. That may have been serendipity for her, or it may have been her plan. I don't know. But she certainly profited off of her newfound notoriety, doing paid speeches and continuing her "project" with funding from people who knew no better, thinking that they were encouraging a victim of horrid misogyny to fight back against the Man.

This. Her arguments mostly fall apart if you don't cherry-pick the data.

In the old days, yes, genders were fixed--because memory was limited, they didn't make multiple models. These days, though--first person games let you pick your gender.
 
Her complaints about the building system in Fallout 4 were stupid. It's a post nuclear wasteland and she's complaining about the build system because weapons can be used to kill things. Of course she leaves out that killing things is essential to your survival in the wasteland, she also ignores settlement building which includes defenses, but also includes plenty of other things. She ignores clothing upgrades, which aren't killing people but making it easier to survive as the Sole Survivor of Vault 111.

What's the point of her series since there are plenty of games she can choose from, if she actually was a gamer, to suit many tastes. Why can't gamers enjoy games she doesn't like without people like her, or Jack Thompson for that matter, sticking their noses into our game rooms?
 
What's the point of her series since there are plenty of games she can choose from, if she actually was a gamer, to suit many tastes. Why can't gamers enjoy games she doesn't like without people like her, or Jack Thompson for that matter, sticking their noses into our game rooms?

Um, everyone is free to do exactly that. Thompson, at least, was actually trying to outright ban certain games (making it even stranger that many Gamergaters teamed up with him). Sarkeesian's project was initially pretty small, until the 4chan brigade decided to turn her into a major figure by flying into a rage at her. Same thing these same groups have been doing ever since - attacking women and minorities online and foolishly drawing even more attention to exactly the person they claim they want to bury. Even I'll state that I started looking more seriously at these and other issues (such as the message in Star Wars, or in comic books) after they began running around and shrieking about "the SJWs" and how they're "RUINING" whatever medium or series it is that they're worked up about today. At this point, I only look to see why, exactly, they're so hilariously wrong.
 
What's the point of her series since there are plenty of games she can choose from, if she actually was a gamer, to suit many tastes. Why can't gamers enjoy games she doesn't like without people like her, or Jack Thompson for that matter, sticking their noses into our game rooms?

Um, everyone is free to do exactly that. Thompson, at least, was actually trying to outright ban certain games (making it even stranger that many Gamergaters teamed up with him). Sarkeesian's project was initially pretty small, until the 4chan brigade decided to turn her into a major figure by flying into a rage at her. Same thing these same groups have been doing ever since - attacking women and minorities online and foolishly drawing even more attention to exactly the person they claim they want to bury. Even I'll state that I started looking more seriously at these and other issues (such as the message in Star Wars, or in comic books) after they began running around and shrieking about "the SJWs" and how they're "RUINING" whatever medium or series it is that they're worked up about today. At this point, I only look to see why, exactly, they're so hilariously wrong.

So she's a woman? What does that have to do with anything? Should she be expected to be treated any less harshly simply because of her sex? Damsel in distress much? :rolleyes: Should melanin be a exemption from vitriolic response to attempting to change the nature of other people's hobbies? Why? If she cannot handle the vitriolic reaction; she should find another line of work. Said reaction comes with the territory.

If she's not trying to change the nature of some games; why is she making these videos? Why was she at the United Nations? What ultimate purpose, other than censorship, is this intended to accomplish? She's not a gamer and is on tape admitting such. Why is it her place to decide what a particular subset of gamers, that she is not a member of, can enjoy? There are plenty of types of games to choose from if she actually was interested in enjoying games.



Even that statement shows her ignorance. She fails to differentiate between games that have graphic violence & those that don't. It's possible to play video games without shooting people or ripping off their heads. It's a matter genre choice. They even have these things called ESRB ratings to give you an idea of what's in the game before you buy it; imagine that. :rolleyes:

Not your shield hashtag existed because at least some women & minorities didn't want to be used as human shields for her and her type. Perhaps she shouldn't try and hide behind racial & biological sex based arguments and actually address her critics' points directly. She doesn't really want debate or she'd either open her YT ratings & replies, or be willing to be publicly debate her critics. The starters, not the backups or 3rd stringers. At least Jack Thompson had the courage of his convictions to face his critics directly, Anita doesn't. Her actions, so far, demonstrate this.

There's also her stupidity about strategic butt coverings as another example. I think this video mocks her decently, there are better ones.



People don't want political agendas, especially ones they disagree with, put into the fantasy realms they enjoy. It's not that hard to understand. Temporary escape from the issues of real life is the point of fantasy for many people.
 
In the video Arctish posted above, skip to 1:21 to bypass the 3rd party apologetics. She says exactly what I described above. She admits that "systems" indoctrinates you to see that "Everything is sexist, everything is racist....

... or now, "uncivil".
Oh - no, wait. That's just Trump, not "the system". Civility is now only required from lib'rul demakratz. Trump gives his drooling sycophants permission to be as uncivil as he himself is.
Maxine told some people to get up in the faces of Trump's enablers, and that's uncivil. Guess she should have told them to buy guns and ammo in order to invoke a "second amendment solution". THAT would be civil, right?
Funny how one dimwitted loudmouth can un-do all the indoctrination that people have been subjected to... "the system" is impotent in the face of the Mighty Moron.
 
I'm confused, did Sarkeesian also hate Obama?

Yeah, this is a huge derail.
Of course it is a derail because some posters cannot handle a woman asserting herself and disagreeing with their pathetic biases. So up pops a derail.

The derail came from a throwaway post by Derec showing a popular meme and Arctish responding by bringing up the Sarkeesian hobby horse Arctish rides. Had Derec's post been ignored this derail would not have taken place.
 
Of course it is a derail because some posters cannot handle a woman asserting herself and disagreeing with their pathetic biases. So up pops a derail.

The derail came from a throwaway post by Derec showing a popular meme and Arctish responding by bringing up the Sarkeesian hobby horse Arctish rides. Had Derec's post been ignored this derail would not have taken place.

I started a Sarkeesian thread in the appropriate forum to avoid derailing this one.

If you want to talk about why you think she should apologize for noticing how widespread and deeply ingrained gender bias is in Western culture, come on up to the Media & Culture Gallery.
 
Of course it is a derail because some posters cannot handle a woman asserting herself and disagreeing with their pathetic biases. So up pops a derail.

The derail came from a throwaway post by Derec showing a popular meme and Arctish responding by bringing up the Sarkeesian hobby horse Arctish rides. Had Derec's post been ignored this derail would not have taken place.

That's right. So why did you participate?
 
Of course it is a derail because some posters cannot handle a woman asserting herself and disagreeing with their pathetic biases. So up pops a derail.

The derail came from a throwaway post by Derec showing a popular meme and Arctish responding by bringing up the Sarkeesian hobby horse Arctish rides. Had Derec's post been ignored this derail would not have taken place.

That's right. So why did you participate?

Because it was fun. And because I happened to know the background. Plus the OP question was answered to my satisfaction.
 
Of course it is a derail because some posters cannot handle a woman asserting herself and disagreeing with their pathetic biases. So up pops a derail.

The derail came from a throwaway post by Derec showing a popular meme and Arctish responding by bringing up the Sarkeesian hobby horse Arctish rides. Had Derec's post been ignored this derail would not have taken place.
Of course you could have ignored it as well, but then again, you would have missed a chance to ride one of your hobby horses.
 
Of course you could have ignored it as well, but then again, you would have missed a chance to ride one of your hobby horses.


Yes indeed, I could have, but the derail didn't bother me and I'm not complaining about it. And if I hadn't been part of the derail, then maybe I would have deprived you of another opportunity to do your guard dog and insult comic routine. I'm not that cruel.
 
Of course you could have ignored it as well, but then again, you would have missed a chance to ride one of your hobby horses.


Yes indeed, I could have, but the derail didn't bother me and I'm not complaining about it. And if I hadn't been part of the derail, then maybe I would have deprived you of another opportunity to do your guard dog and insult comic routine. I'm not that cruel.
You are way too modest. And, you got to ride another one of your hobby horses at the same time.
 
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