Another Day In The USA

[T.G.G. Moogly]

There has been quite a lot of divisiveness on both sides, and the dominoes are starting to fall.

Take your both-sides-ism and shove it directly into your anus, Jason, there is just no time left to pretend this is a politically neutral problem. The blood is all over your face and anybody else's who doesn't make the connection to mainstream conservative Republicanism and mass murder at the hands of white men by now.

Jason's response is meant to make it appear that one is on the side of justice when in reality everything undertaken indicates just the opposite. So it's different than outright fascism where you preach hate and then undertake hate. But in the end it is the same thing. The lost cause lives on.

 

[PyramidHead]

When a movement of angry white gamer losers who are sexually frustrated and stoked into a fury by Ben Shapiro are gunning down innocent people for the same reasons week after week, month after month, divisiveness is exactly what we should be striving for, absolute divisiveness between that toxic ideological streak and the whole of civilized society, which should be unified in naming and eradicating it wherever it tries to gain further traction.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Just about everything on this list is aimed at the law abiding and will have little effect on criminals.

What are you so afraid of that makes you say this?

In other words, whether something supports your position is more important than whether it is true.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

There has been quite a lot of divisiveness on both sides, and the dominoes are starting to fall.

Take your both-sides-ism and shove it directly into your anus, Jason, there is just no time left to pretend this is a politically neutral problem. The blood is all over your face and anybody else's who doesn't make the connection to mainstream conservative Republicanism and mass murder at the hands of white men by now.

Take your one-side-ism and shove it directly into your anus PyramidHead. You have spent the last few years consistently calling for violence while I've been calling for de-escalation. When you call for violence, don't be surprised if an insane person in El Paso or Dayton responds. If calling for civility puts blood on my hands, it means you are positively bathing in it.

 

[PyramidHead]

Just about everything on this list is aimed at the law abiding and will have little effect on criminals.

What are you so afraid of that makes you say this?

In other words, whether something supports your position is more important than whether it is true.

How many law abiding citizens to announce their debut as criminals by murdering a dozen people before you realize the ease of gun acquisition is partly to blame for the ease of becoming a criminal?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So long as you don't do them unfairly.

Please give an example of what you consider to be an unfair background check.

You take your gun to a gunsmith for repair. You have a background check when you pick it up. Plenty of other situations exist where you have a background check to take possession of a gun you already own. One check per gun when multiple guns are being transferred.

I believe almost all of the unfair background check issues could be solved by providing a firearms card that shows you have passed the background check, you can show that in lieu of the actual check. Locally, we used to use CCW licenses for this purpose, I don't know if that survived a stupid ballot measure in 2016. (Despite support for checks on private-party transfers being near 90% the measure barely got 50%--and then got thrown in the trash by the attorney general because compliance was impossible the way it was written.)

 

[PyramidHead]

There has been quite a lot of divisiveness on both sides, and the dominoes are starting to fall.

Take your both-sides-ism and shove it directly into your anus, Jason, there is just no time left to pretend this is a politically neutral problem. The blood is all over your face and anybody else's who doesn't make the connection to mainstream conservative Republicanism and mass murder at the hands of white men by now.

Take your one-side-ism and shove it directly into your anus PyramidHead. You have spent the last few years consistently calling for violence while I've been calling for de-escalation. When you call for violence, don't be surprised if an insane person in El Paso or Dayton responds. If calling for civility puts blood on my hands, it means you are positively bathing in it.

Bullshit. The El Paso shooter was not insane and was not "responding" to the exactly zero deaths that have occurred at the hands of the other side of the political spectrum. You sound exactly like Trump, who suggested that the shooting happened because the border wasn't secure; the mere presence of Mexicans in El Paso is enough to trigger a mass shooting, and he's saying the solution is to get rid of the Mexicans, i.e. give the fascists what they want! You're saying nothing very different. The white supremacists and their ilk want unobstructed access to state power and control of public life on a societal scale. Currently, the state is giving them that access. Your calls for de-escalation are no more than pleas for the public to do the same.

Hey... remember in the 1930's, when instead of forming a united coalition with the communists and socialists against the Nazi party, American centrists allied with the Nazi party instead? Can we not do that, or anything like that, this time? Please?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But surely all of these shooters have some serious mental illness. That doesn’t excuse what they do or even explain why they do what they do. But I think it is wrong and foolish not to look at how their mental illness factors into their despicable and detestable acts of murder.

Specifically, the evidence says most are on antidepressants. Big Pharma certainly wouldn't want that to be noticed, though--think of the lawsuits!

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Take your one-side-ism and shove it directly into your anus PyramidHead. You have spent the last few years consistently calling for violence while I've been calling for de-escalation. When you call for violence, don't be surprised if an insane person in El Paso or Dayton responds. If calling for civility puts blood on my hands, it means you are positively bathing in it.

Bullshit.

You have been calling for violence these last few years. Crazy people on your side will hear rhetoric like that and say "I guess we gotta". Crazy people on the other side will hear that and say "I better strike first". That is your doing. El Paso and Dayton - two cities, not one - two topics, not one.

You have been calling for violence consistently. You never back down from calls for violence. You say you only want it against "nazis" but you define everyone even a tiny bit to your right as a nazi. Yeah, bad people on the other side want power, so do bad people on your side. You think one of those is bad. And you think that anyone who calls for de-escalation, like me, is somehow mysteriously inexplicably supporting the "nazis."

The only reason there have been more deaths by one side is because your own side is simply so very bad at it. This blood, from both El Paso and from Dayton, is on your hands. You call for violence, here's violence.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

In other words, whether something supports your position is more important than whether it is true.

How many law abiding citizens to announce their debut as criminals by murdering a dozen people before you realize the ease of gun acquisition is partly to blame for the ease of becoming a criminal?

The claim was none of the measures impeded the law abiding.

Saying we should disarm the law abiding because they might become criminals is a major case of moving the goalposts.

Furthermore, the statistics show that if you make it to age 21 without a record it's very unlikely you're going to commit violent crimes later.

 

[SimpleDon]

I went to the doctor's office for my infusion today. There are always a lot of people there doing the same. We talked about the shootings I raised this point about 1980. Two good ideas came up.

It was in the late 1970s when we started closing the mental hospitals because we didn't want to pay for them and because we discovered that the patients had constitutional rights. As a result, we now treat mental illness with drugs. The patients can decide to stop taking their medications at any time.

The second was that this about the time that military-type rifles became popular. The AK and AR-type rifles fire small-caliber, high-velocity ball rounds meant to produce massive wounds in young, physically fit humans. These rifles are also designed to be easy to learn to shoot and to quickly instill confidence in people who have never fired a gun, aka conscripts.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Both sidism

We will have peace when the last Nazi shooter is strangled with the guts of the last Dindu gangsta thug.

 

[Half-Life]

Wherever do people get these ideas?

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You must have missed Trump's conference today where he condemned white supremacy and these shootings and said "white supremacy and other dangerous ideologies must be stopped. The shootings must stop. The hatred and racism must stop."

Yeah, that sure sounds like a guy who is applauding the shooter.

All these questions of, "Why won't Trump condemn it?" He does. Multiple times. But leftists ignore it and keep asking why doesn't he condemn it.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Trump foments it with his rallies, speeches and tweets. Then performs lip service condemnation on rare occasions when that is politically expedient. Trump does not and has not condemned hate speech we hear from Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham with their hysterical nativism, et al.

 

[Toni]

The Ohio shooter was a "leftist satanist" who supported Elizabeth Warren. He also had a violent past. He created "kill lists" as far back as his high school days. He just wanted to kill for the sake of killing.

Pretty obvious from the fact that his sister was among the victims, and the others were mostly black, that he wasn't ideologically motivated by his politics in the same way as the last few guys. It's not like he shot up a Trump rally or a white evangelical church.

You don't know that. Have you ever had Thanksgiving at his house?

Has anyone ever shot up a Trump rally? Or a Klan rally? Or an Aryan Nation/skinhead rally?

 

[TV and credit cards]

There has to be a reason that everything in the US seems to have gone to shit since 1980. Ideas?

It appears to pick up at the same time the Internet becomes common place and rises quickly with the advancement of Social Media.

That may be a factor but it correlates with the loss of good high paying factory jobs that the U.S. once had plenty of. High-schoolers or anyone, even dropouts, could get a good job and be financially secure. Those jobs left Dodge. People of limited means and access are more fucked than ever and have lots of access to guns. Right wing xenophobia fits their predicament nicely.

Loss of The American Dream plus a country awash in guns plus the Hive Mind of social media: this constant feed of supporting comments, news, and commentary into these social groups of people who seemingly never disconnect is taking shared ideas someplace unfamiliar and frightening. We'll know going forward as it will only get worse. We have generations of children who are so vastly different from pre-internet children. They nearly live in a different world from the one we grew up in.

 

[Half-Life]

Trump foments it with his rallies, speeches and tweets. Then performs lip service condemnation on rare occasions when that is politically expedient. Trump does not and has not condemned hate speech we hear from Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham with their hysterical nativism, et al.

Because there is a difference between, "There's an invasion at the border and we need to deport them" and "There's an invasion at the border and we need to kill kill kill!"

Tucker and Laura are in favor of deportation, not mass murder. This is what I am in favor of as well.

NO MASS MURDER!!!

 

[ZiprHead]

Wherever do people get these ideas?

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You must have missed Trump's conference today where he condemned white supremacy and these shootings and said "white supremacy and other dangerous ideologies must be stopped. The shootings must stop. The hatred and racism must stop."

Yeah, that sure sounds like a guy who is applauding the shooter.

All these questions of, "Why won't Trump condemn it?" He does. Multiple times. But leftists ignore it and keep asking why doesn't he condemn it.

Do you mean the speech where he said the wrong city name? Yeah, he was really invested in that speech.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

There has been quite a lot of divisiveness on both sides, and the dominoes are starting to fall.

Take your both-sides-ism and shove it directly into your anus, Jason, there is just no time left to pretend this is a politically neutral problem. The blood is all over your face and anybody else's who doesn't make the connection to mainstream conservative Republicanism and mass murder at the hands of white men by now.

Jason's response is meant to make it appear that one is on the side of justice when in reality everything undertaken indicates just the opposite.

No it isn't. I've been a proponent of de-escalation, while some have been proponents of violence. So we have a crazy person in El Paso and a crazy person in Dayton, and I say this is the inevitable result of calling for violence.

I see divisiveness being the go-to for over a decade. Set people against each other. Make it "us versus them" and then hype it up over and over. Eventually that will result in calls for violence, and that will inevitably lead to calls for political violence. Now the dominoes are starting to fall, the chickens are coming home to roost, and people are having to lay in the bed they made.

 

[Half-Life]

Wherever do people get these ideas?

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You must have missed Trump's conference today where he condemned white supremacy and these shootings and said "white supremacy and other dangerous ideologies must be stopped. The shootings must stop. The hatred and racism must stop."

Yeah, that sure sounds like a guy who is applauding the shooter.

All these questions of, "Why won't Trump condemn it?" He does. Multiple times. But leftists ignore it and keep asking why doesn't he condemn it.

Do you mean the speech where he said the wrong city name? Yeah, he was really invested in that speech.

Trump can't win with you guys. If he praised the shooter you would say, "Of course he is!" If he condemns the guy, you say, "He's lying! He loves the shooter!"

How can you live in such a world?