AOC vs. Joe Biden's migrant detention camps

[laughing dog]

Let it sink in for a moment...

Parents are sending their children across the border alone to be arrested and detained should they be apprehended, on account of knowing it's better their children risk being arrested and apprehended in America alone than they as parents being arrested here too, and separated that way.

The latter is actually a knock-on effect of the genocidal treatment of immigrants under tRump

No, the problem is mostly a differing standard on adulthood. Most of these "children" are 16 or 17 and are functioning independently.

Do you have any data to support your claim. According to this site ( https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-unaccompanied-migrant-children-uacs/ )

According to records from ORR facilities in FY 2019, approximately 30% of UACs arriving at the border are girls and 70% are boys. UACs predominantly arrive between the ages of 13 and 17 (86%), although the population also includes “tender age” children between 6 and 12 (14%).

(Notes - UAC is unaccompanied alien child, ORR is Office of Refugee Resettlement)

Also, the notion that these children are acting independently is not supported by that same site:

Most UACs do not arrive at the border because they are runaways or because their parents have abandoned them. Instead, most often, parents have made the desperate determination that it is safer for their children to attempt to flee alone to the border than to remain at risk of persecution or violence. In some cases, these children have been entrusted to smugglers to take them to the U.S.; in others, parents may be waiting in Mexico and have sent their children across the border alone.

 

[Derec]

AOC has had a history of opposing such camps.

AOC also has history of opposing any enforcement against illegals.
In fact, she thinks hispanic illegals should not even be considered illegal.

DHS shouldn’t exist, agencies should be reorganized, ICE gotta go, ban for-profit detention, create climate refugee status & more.

In other words, more third world mass migration and no enforcement against illegal migration. Open borders wet dream.

 

[Derec]

The nation’s “racist, xenophobic immigration system has been broken for decades,” she added. “We need to finally leave the nation’s long history of criminalizing immigration and leaving families behind.”

In other words, open borders or as close to open borders as makes no difference at all.

 

[Derec]

The latter is actually a knock-on effect of the genocidal treatment of immigrants under tRump

 

[Derec]

I certainly hope so, too. This is a terrible tragedy. I would rather have a family of three come to the US than a child alone. A family of three has two parents capable of contributing to the economy, and the child has an opportunity to meaningfully seek education and themselves be productive and happy.

A homeless child has far worse prospects and contributes little to society until they are grown up.

How about no illegal aliens at all? US is getting more than enough immigrants via legal channels. We do not need millions of illegals showing up at the border using "asylum" as a cynical loophole to get in.
And I do not see how these often illiterate mass migrants will contribute to the economy anyway.

 

[Derec]

I read the entire article and it appears to me as if AOC is over reacting.

As is her wont.
Remember too that AOC is an anti-ICE, pro-open borders zealot. Any immigration enforcement is detestable to her and her squad mates.

 

[Gospel]

I thought the only difference between Trump and Biden on immigration was the separation of children from their parents.

Edit: Oh and Trump basically turning as many away as possible or delaying the process for as long as possible.

With unaccompanied children the government doesn't have a choice--it would be illegal to release them other than to a parent or appropriate guardian. They'll end up in foster care if there isn't a parent or guardian, but whatever is done takes time.

This is true. Immigration is a mess with seemingly no real solution beyond endless damage mitigation. It will always be a problem no matter who is president, it's just that some Presidents intentionally add to the problem while others don't. We can do everything we can (and should) to improve our policy but the real issue isn't the policy it's the execution of said policy. Immigration will remain shitty for Immigrants everywhere until the world's majority both exit luxurious political theatres & become willing to get their hands dirty. Even then it won't be perfect.

 

[ZiprHead]

I certainly hope so, too. This is a terrible tragedy. I would rather have a family of three come to the US than a child alone. A family of three has two parents capable of contributing to the economy, and the child has an opportunity to meaningfully seek education and themselves be productive and happy.

A homeless child has far worse prospects and contributes little to society until they are grown up.

How about no illegal aliens at all? US is getting more than enough immigrants via legal channels. We do not need millions of illegals showing up at the border using "asylum" as a cynical loophole to get in.

Isn't that how you got in?

 

[Gospel]

I certainly hope so, too. This is a terrible tragedy. I would rather have a family of three come to the US than a child alone. A family of three has two parents capable of contributing to the economy, and the child has an opportunity to meaningfully seek education and themselves be productive and happy.

A homeless child has far worse prospects and contributes little to society until they are grown up.

How about no illegal aliens at all? US is getting more than enough immigrants via legal channels. We do not need millions of illegals showing up at the border using "asylum" as a cynical loophole to get in.

Isn't that how you got in?

Nope, he did absolutely nothing to gain entry into America and even less than immigrants to earn it if his posts are any indication.

 

[Jarhyn]

The latter is actually a knock-on effect of the genocidal treatment of immigrants under tRump

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Then you understand even less than I gave you credit for. Bad show.

 

[Jarhyn]

I certainly hope so, too. This is a terrible tragedy. I would rather have a family of three come to the US than a child alone. A family of three has two parents capable of contributing to the economy, and the child has an opportunity to meaningfully seek education and themselves be productive and happy.

A homeless child has far worse prospects and contributes little to society until they are grown up.

How about no illegal aliens at all? US is getting more than enough immigrants via legal channels. We do not need millions of illegals showing up at the border using "asylum" as a cynical loophole to get in.
And I do not see how these often illiterate mass migrants will contribute to the economy anyway.

You know how you address illiteracy? Though making those people literate! It is called "public education" and it works wonders. Shame you couldn't have had more of that...

 

[southernhybrid]

I read the entire article and it appears to me as if AOC is over reacting.

As is her wont.
Remember too that AOC is an anti-ICE, pro-open borders zealot. Any immigration enforcement is detestable to her and her squad mates.

Since you took that line out of the context of my post, I was only referring to her objection to the temporary housing provided by our government. To me, it appeared to be a decent, clean, place, that would provide the needs of the teenagers who have come here independently of their parents.

I'm not against allowing immigrants to ask for asylum, especially since the US birth rate is lower than ever. Immigrants who work are required to pay into social security and well as pay other taxes. SS is currently underfunded. We certainly could use some more young immigrants who are willing to work and learn for a host of reasons. I've personally known a few undocumented immigrants here in Georgia. They were very good people, hard working and not wasteful and greedy like so many of us Americans.

We sure could let a lot more people in if they would be willing to help Texas fix the mess it's in due to the failure of its power grid. There are plenty of jobs that less educated immigrants could do. People who ask for asylum are usually trying to escape death threats, and other horrors. It's not easy to come here legally when you are very poor and oppressed, and asking for asylum status is a legal way of entering the country. So, while I disagree with AOC in regards to her outrage over the temporary holding facility, I'm not necessarily opposed to some of her views when it comes to immigration in general.

One can agree with a person on some issues and be critical of that same person on other issues. I just wish AOC would stop tweeting. Actually, I hate twitter and wish all politicians would stop using it, but I'm obviously not going to get my wish. Twitter has caused a lot of problems, misunderstandings, as well as being an outlet for hatred.

 

[Gospel]

What puzzles me about the too many immigrants' alarmism is the country is like 75% white (VS all other races). Yall got room to breathe before losing your majority, and as far as physical space the US' population is what 370million? China has 1.1 billion more people in nearly the same landmass. If it's fear of losing "your country" it makes no sense until you at least drop closer to 60% and even then all the other races would need to collectively vote for/against everything and anything to come close to making yall uncomfortable. This won't happen because every race disagrees with one another over many things with conflicts within their own races. It's not space because again, China. And as far as ZOINKS! they're taking all our jobs! China & automation is more of a threat there. Is it the fear of lawlessness? White people have only gotten laws themselves correct like 57 years ago so who are yall to complain about lawlessness?

 

[Keith&Co.]

What puzzles me about the too many immigrants' alarmism is the country is like 75% white

But not all whites are whites.
A ways back, Italians and Irish were not seen as white.
Some whites are Jewish when you get close enough.
Some of my family are not sure about Slavs, and even if they are white, they're not the 'right' sort of white.

I just wish i could show them actual pictures of every baby born in Bethlehem two thousand twenty years ago....

 

[Gospel]

I just wish AOC would stop tweeting. Actually, I hate twitter and wish all politicians would stop using it,

This this this. It seems so unprofessional and can be used as food to feed the national security threat trolls.

 

[Gospel]

What puzzles me about the too many immigrants' alarmism is the country is like 75% white

But not all whites are whites.
A ways back, Italians and Irish were not seen as white.
Some whites are Jewish when you get close enough.
Some of my family are not sure about Slavs, and even if they are white, they're not the 'right' sort of white.

I just wish i could show them actual pictures of every baby born in Bethlehem two thousand twenty years ago....

I always thought the criteria for being counted as part of the 75% is your ancestors owned slaves the European way. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[TomC]

Call me a raging conservative if you must.

But I want to go back to the good old days, when the USA was "The Nation of Immigrants". That's what "Made America Great" in the first place. You can read about it by visiting the Statue of Liberty!

Trump, and his isolationist progressive policies, were way too new fangled to suit me. We don't need walls or detention facilities, we need green cards and vetting.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

That's a wholesome post right there TomC (pounds on the chest) I feel you brother. Back when I was in the trash called the US education system in Long Island NY's Central Islip High School where I used to bang on lunch tables and start freestyle sessions where more truth was told than in history class, I wrote a piece around my idea to improve the road to citicenship. I can't recall it word for word & It was written as well as my posts on this forum is, but the idea was;

Illegal immigrants can self-report their earnings and pay a voluntary amount of tax. The IRS creates an account on which the payments are received and an account number serves as a temporary social security number (IRS sends them the card) If immigration agents or local law enforcement is shown the card they are not to deport unless for a felony. No tax refunds are issued nor do they need to file. Once they reach a total amount of payments (determined by the IRS) they become legal aliens and are sent the proper identification. Now that they can move on from that shitty job and get a better one they are on the road to paying for their citizenship. If their legal status expires before then they are still in better shape to get back on board and start the process all over again.

Edit: Forgot to mention I got a D. I think I deserved it because I was never good at writing. But I also got treated like shit for the rest of my time around that English teacher for what I believe was my choice of subject.

 

[Gospel]

FYI - The piece I wrote had a lot more details covering nuances like protections for companies who the (now legal & registered) aliens report working from, limited to the individual employees. Companies only get fined for those who don't report (encouraging reporting). Minimum wage laws are waived for a reasonable percentage below the minimum wage for non-legal status workers. Once they have become legal the employee must pay them the full minimum wage. I wrote a novel basically and the teacher only had to check the preface as my submission and read on if interested in the idea.

 

[Trausti]

And I do not see how these often illiterate mass migrants will contribute to the economy anyway.

They're not meant to contribute to the economy. They're meant to augment Democrat election margins. Where ya been, man?