Are guns being smuggled from high gun rights areas to restricted gun areas the major cause of gun murders?

[repoman]

The idea that in the US there are pure and independent experiments with gun rights and restrictions is laughable.

The only way to even have a handle on this would be to have extremely aggressive spot checks (beyond what may be legally allowed) for people coming from high gun sale areas to gun control areas.

Having any differences between areas (not talking about schools, courthouses...) in gun laws is part of the problem.

If there are different laws on such an important aspect of society there need to be hard borders between these areas.

 

[laughing dog]

I am in favor of gun murders but not people murders.

 

[Trausti]

So why are the people in these "high gun rights" areas not committing a lot of gun homicides? Different demographics? Oh, never mind.

 

[repoman]

So why are the people in these "high gun rights" areas not committing a lot of gun homicides? Different demographics? Oh, never mind.

Fucknuts will get guns, because they have not much to risk.

However, there are exceptions in areas like New York City where diamond merchants can still get permits.

 

[marc]

Well yea. A NY study found that most guns used in crimes came from states with weaker gun laws.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

If there are different laws on such an important aspect of society there need to be hard borders between these areas.

You could even look at differences between areas on the scale of countries, not just states and counties.

 

[repoman]

If there are different laws on such an important aspect of society there need to be hard borders between these areas.

You could even look at differences between areas on the scale of countries, not just states and counties.

Comparing a crazy country like ours that has non uniform laws because of "muh states rights" to others is not even possible. Only comparing it to a high gun rights nation bordering a low gun rights country that share a NON POLICED BORDER is sensible. This probably happens nowhere else on this planet.

If Chicago wants to be a control city they need a fence around the whole city.

 

[Tigers!]

They should really shoot those gun smugglers. That will show them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Well yea. A NY study found that most guns used in crimes came from states with weaker gun laws.

From that article: The national average is 29%. In other words, most guns used in crime were bought in the state they were used in.

New York is an oddball case because their laws are much stricter than most states, thus creating a market to import guns. Note that this can happen even when a whole nation has strict gun laws--some of the worst areas for gun crime have very strict gun laws.

And farther down the page is a chart purporting to show the relationship between guns and gun violence. They are showing a projection line but with no indication of how good a fit it is and other than the outlier US it doesn't look like there's much of a fit at all. And, once again it's gun deaths, not gun murders. Most gun deaths are suicide.