Are they planning a Hamas and using force to seize the power they didn't get at the ballot box?

[Loren Pechtel]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../june_2018/31_think_u_s_civil_war_likely_soon

Yeah, they're trying to spin it that it's coming from the left. There's no way they would admit it's the right that would resort to force.

 

[Politesse]

Seriously? Americans are lazy as anything these days. It's hard to get a crowd to show up for a rally let alone a guerilla war.

If violence does break out, I agree that it will likely be anti-Trump, because the only situation in which the thing seems plausible to me is a scenario in which he attempts to pull a Xi Jinping on us and unconstitutionally retain power. That, might actually get us out of our recliners. At least, I hope it would.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Seriously? Americans are lazy as anything these days. It's hard to get a crowd to show up for a rally let alone a guerilla war.

If violence does break out, I agree that it will likely be anti-Trump, because the only situation in which the thing seems plausible to me is a scenario in which he attempts to pull a Xi Jinping on us and unconstitutionally retain power. That, might actually get us out of our recliners. At least, I hope it would.

I would consider that to be started by the right--seizing power by force.

 

[Random Person]

Seriously? Americans are lazy as anything these days. It's hard to get a crowd to show up for a rally let alone a guerilla war.

If violence does break out, I agree that it will likely be anti-Trump, because the only situation in which the thing seems plausible to me is a scenario in which he attempts to pull a Xi Jinping on us and unconstitutionally retain power. That, might actually get us out of our recliners. At least, I hope it would.

I would consider that to be started by the right--seizing power by force.

Why would they do it now and not before?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Seriously? Americans are lazy as anything these days. It's hard to get a crowd to show up for a rally let alone a guerilla war.

If violence does break out, I agree that it will likely be anti-Trump, because the only situation in which the thing seems plausible to me is a scenario in which he attempts to pull a Xi Jinping on us and unconstitutionally retain power. That, might actually get us out of our recliners. At least, I hope it would.

I would consider that to be started by the right--seizing power by force.

Why would they do it now and not before?

If they think they're going to lose the power they have now.

 

[Random Person]

Why would they do it now and not before?

If they think they're going to lose the power they have now.

The Dems are rabidly holding onto power. Hillary and Obama are both actively leading the "resistance."

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why would they do it now and not before?

If they think they're going to lose the power they have now.

The Dems are rabidly holding onto power. Hillary and Obama are both actively leading the "resistance."

What power?

 

[Arctish]

The Dems are rabidly holding onto power. Hillary and Obama are both actively leading the "resistance."

What power?

Don't you watch Fox News?

Hillary is going to take your house, just like she's going to take my Dad's. Obama and Nancy Pelosi are helping her. The Republican controlled House of Representatives, Senate, Executive Office, and Supreme Court are powerless to stop them.

 

[Random Person]

The Dems are rabidly holding onto power. Hillary and Obama are both actively leading the "resistance."

What power?

Don't you watch Fox News?

Hillary is going to take your house, just like she's going to take my Dad's. Obama and Nancy Pelosi are helping her. The Republican controlled House, Senate, Presidency, and Supreme Court are powerless to stop them.

I suggest not watching Fox News.

 

[Opoponax]

Seriously? Americans are lazy as anything these days. It's hard to get a crowd to show up for a rally let alone a guerilla war.

If violence does break out, I agree that it will likely be anti-Trump, because the only situation in which the thing seems plausible to me is a scenario in which he attempts to pull a Xi Jinping on us and unconstitutionally retain power. That, might actually get us out of our recliners. At least, I hope it would.

I would consider that to be started by the right--seizing power by force.

Why would they do it now and not before?

Right now they have the Presidency, Congress, and SCOTUS. They have a base with enough people who are willing to do anything for Trump. They have an overall constituency willing to suspend elections.

This thing about violence coming from the left may be true under the circumstance of a sudden loss of our Constitutional rights. But that's not mindless lashing out over the loss of an election. Among other things our Constitution is based on is Locke's Second Treatise in which Locke states that when a government ceases to represent the people/fulfill what's it's supposed to under its founding document, the people have a right to overthrow it. I believe in that.

Have we reached that point yet? I don't think so. But I do think we're closer than we've ever been since the McCarthy hearings of the 1950s. Fortunately for the nation, at that time, good people in positions of power finally stood up to McCarthy and left him as a filthy example of what can happen when our rights of speech and association cease to exist. But it also shows that it can be stopped. However, the situation is different now in that people believe in provably untrue things; and it doesn't matter that Trump lies to his people. They don't think he's lying to them. There's no reason to post the litany of blatant fabrications because they're firmly on the record. But this phenomenon we're seeing right now is something I'm unaware of in this nation's history--at least not on this scale.

If for example, elections are suspended in November, then violence is a wholly appropriate and lawful exercise of the people's will. There is simply no other answer.

The futility of it is another matter, but I accept that.

 

[Random Person]

Why would they do it now and not before?

Right now they have the Presidency, Congress, and SCOTUS. They have a base with enough people who are willing to do anything for Trump. They have an overall constituency willing to suspend elections.

This thing about violence coming from the left may be true under the circumstance of a sudden loss of our Constitutional rights. But that's not mindless lashing out over the loss of an election. Among other things our Constitution is based on is Locke's Second Treatise in which Locke states that when a government ceases to represent the people/fulfill what's it's supposed to under its founding document, the people have a right to overthrow it. I believe in that.

Have we reached that point yet? I don't think so. But I do think we're closer than we've ever been since the McCarthy hearings of the 1950s. Fortunately for the nation, at that time, good people in positions of power finally stood up to McCarthy and left him as a filthy example of what can happen when our rights of speech and association cease to exist. But it also shows that it can be stopped. However, the situation is different now in that people believe in provably untrue things; and it doesn't matter that Trump lies to his people. They don't think he's lying to them. There's no reason to post the litany of blatant fabrications because they're firmly on the record. But this phenomenon we're seeing right now is something I'm unaware of in this nation's history--at least not on this scale.

If for example, elections are suspended in November, then violence is a wholly appropriate and lawful exercise of the people's will. There is simply no other answer.

The futility of it is another matter, but I accept that.

Are people worried the November elections will be suspended?

 

[Opoponax]

Are people worried the November elections will be suspended?

I said, "If, for example..."

However, more than 50% of Republicans polled affirmed that yes, they'd be in favor of suspending the 2020 election if they thought there was a danger that illegal immigrants were voting. You can look it up if you want.

What's the value of that poll? I don't know. But even if the number is half of that, it would still be alarming. What it points to is something I pointed out in my early post. There are tens of millions of people, specifically conservatives, who believe a provably untrue thing. In this case, they believe that illegal immigrants are illegally voting in enormous numbers. No evidence of the slightest import has been shown, yet Trump and other conservatives say it, so their voters believe it.

I know my dad believes it. My sister believes it. Most of the rest of my family does too. They all vote lockstep (R). Or maybe it's only my family that believes it? Yeah, no.

What's happened is that Trump is waging war on the First Amendment via his ceaseless attacks on our free press, and has even grumbled about the First Amendment itself (not that he knows wtf he's talking about). He's attempted to find out who citizens are voting for, which is in keeping with his relatively successful attempts to delegitimize the results of our elections. He's attacked due process (for gun confiscation, notably), and derided the legitimacy of our courts. And his base is on board with all of it.

There are too many warning sirens going off to be complacent.