Jarhyn
Wizard
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More along the lines of "if you want to claim it is real, produce it."You get it. In the 'Anything I can imagine to be real can be real' sense. Problem is that doesn't work in the rational world of evidence and observation. A god exists in the imaginary world where anything is possible. The god comes from this world. If I have a worldview like this then atheism is irrational.Caution: unlike most of what I post this is all silliness, rather than something real presented in a silly way.How do you propose we get from if gods exist they may be mysterious to atheism is irrational?What's not to follow? The god is mysterious and therefore could be anything.It's about probabilities vs possibilities. In the world of possibilities that potato chip could be a god. Therefore any form of atheism is irrational because theism becomes the only rational choice in a reality defined by possibilities.I may not understand much about evolution, but I know that humans are not descended from potato chips.
Sorry, I don't follow that.
By your logic--if I understand your logic--we ought to believe all propositions. Thus:
Me: "I have a magic stopwatch."
You: "We've searched you. You have no such stopwatch."
Me: "But it's a mysterious watch. It might be anything. So, logically, you must believe in it. You cannot doubt."
"The problem is that the world in which you have a magical stopwatch exists in superposition with all the world's in which you don't, and the principle of least action indicates that the world in which you have that magical stopwatch is not going to in any way impact me, so why should I care about it?
Either precipitate that 'anything' into a thing that is clearly a stopwatch, a device which counts and displays the count thereof at some fraction of one second per second with mechanical precision and reliability, for me or face the equally effective action of my magical magical stopwatch destroying machine. It could be anything, and I have already destroyed your stopwatch with it.
Go ahead, magically sue me. You can serve the suit on magical paper, and we can have our dispute with a magical arbitrator, and I can pay you magical money for your magical loss. I'll precipitate my magical money for you as soon as you precipitate that magical broken stopwatch.
But if we live in a world of evidence, observation and probabilities then gods don't work.
I've gone through almost a decade of work to prove out to myself what would reasonably establish the reality of God with a capital THE.
It is not that gods don't work. As I have mentioned a few times, I am a god. I am also a human being, squishy and made of meat.
Being a god is sort of like being a football fan or being a foodie or being a used car salesman or being an elected representative. It doesn't prescribe anything about you, it just describes something you did.
As such I know that gods are logically possible. They just aren't logically necessary.