ASSANGE DROPPED 250,000 SECRET U.S. CABLES — THEN BEGGED MOSCOW FOR A VISA

[phands]

And the orange scumbag just loooooves wikileaks.....

On Sunday, Nov. 28, 2010, Julian Assange instantly became one of the most famous people on the planet, publishing hundreds of thousands of top-secret U.S. cables. A few hours later, he was begging the Kremlin for a visa.
That’s according to a bombshell AP report published Monday based on a huge leak of chat logs, emails, financial records, secretly recorded footage, and other documents related to WikiLeaks’ operations in 2010.

The trove reveals the group’s attempts to secure Assange’s future at a time when he was being called a terrorist by U.S. politicians, and Swedish authorities were seeking his arrest for alleged rape.
Via Wikileaks, Assange published more than a quarter of a million U.S. cables that laid bare the inner workings of America’s diplomatic efforts across the world, including revelations about drone strikes in Yemen, American spying at the U.N., and corruption across the Arab world.
Hours after the cables were released, Assange dictated a letter pleading with the Russian consulate in London to grant him a visa.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/vbney8/assange-wikileaks-russia-visa-leak

 

[untermensche]

Was he begging and pleading?

Or asking?

Exposing the things the US was thinking and doing was a great service to humanity.

Maybe not so great for the scum in the US government doing it.

 

[RVonse]

For the moment forget about Russia and what their interests might be.

What is wrong about telling the truth? What is wrong about shedding light on a clandestine shadowy government? IMO, (excepting in times of war) I feel my government should have nothing to hide from me. Because if they do have something to hide from me, it is usually NOT going to be in my best interest. That's just how people of power have always acted for thousands of years. And it is why we supposedly have a constitution (which is just there for looks now) to protect our rights. And that's why our 1st amendment was supposedly going to offer free speech to journalism to keep the seedy government in check.

The only real truth tellers there are today are people like Assange. They rest are incorporated into special interests who DO NOT want to tell you what is really going on.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

For the moment forget about Russia and what their interests might be.

What is wrong about telling the truth?

There is nothing wrong with telling the truth. Snowden outed a massively unconstitutional spying program on Americans and should be a hero, not living in Russia. The problem with Wikileaks is that when you try to act as the hero, you can't be choosing sides, which is exactly what Wikileaks did. Even back in the in W days, it was becoming clear that Wikileaks seemed more interested in exposing American secrets for gains than "telling the truth".

The only real truth tellers there are today are people like Assange.

You mean the people that'll expose only the secrets that are in their best interests?

 

[untermensche]

All the secrecy is why things like Qanon can take hold of the minds of some.

When so much the government is doing is unknown it is easy to fill in the huge gap with fiction.

 

[steve_bank]

I do not doubt it. He has been running an anti west TV show in Russia on the ner.

One sory ass son of a bitch. I say let him go to Russia, he and Snowden can live the rest of their lives in wonderful bountiful Russia.

Snowden was a dupe. The net FBI surveillance program Dragon was public knowledge in the 90s. A woman who said 'my kid's play bombed' in an w enali triggered her being placed on a list for the keyword bomb. Emails being screened over the net.

He probably thought he was living a spy adventure, until the realitymod what he did settled in. He was no patriot.

He ended up in Russia that bastion of liberty of justice and govt transparency. Irony does not cover it. Same with Assange. He aligns with Russia over the west, who is the enemy to him. From his net bio his hacking starting as a teen may have been motivated by some govt bureaucratic problem with his mother.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I do not doubt it. He has been running an anti west TV show in Russia on the ner.

One sory ass son of a bitch. I say let him go to Russia, he and Snowden can live the rest of their lives in wonderful bountiful Russia.

Snowden exposed a domestic surveillance program that was outrageously unconstitutional and did what he thought was right.

Assange doesn't appear to have a moral compass.

The two are not comparable.

 

[Worldtraveller]

For the moment forget about Russia and what their interests might be.

What is wrong about telling the truth? What is wrong about shedding light on a clandestine shadowy government? IMO, (excepting in times of war) I feel my government should have nothing to hide from me. Because if they do have something to hide from me, it is usually NOT going to be in my best interest. That's just how people of power have always acted for thousands of years. And it is why we supposedly have a constitution (which is just there for looks now) to protect our rights. And that's why our 1st amendment was supposedly going to offer free speech to journalism to keep the seedy government in check.

The only real truth tellers there are today are people like Assange. They rest are incorporated into special interests who DO NOT want to tell you what is really going on.

There are shades of gray here.

Releasing all this data like Assange did endangered perhaps hundreds of people, from CIA agents, to potentially military personnel, and possibly government civilian employees. You may consider these people expendable, but that's not really a noble thing to do, in my book.

ALL governments spy on each other and operate clandestine intelligence gathering. That doesn't make it right, but to pretend that all these other governments are good while the US alone is evil (and I'll definitely grant that the US is basically evil, especially from the point of view of most other countries) is naive and potentially dangerous.

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I do not doubt it. He has been running an anti west TV show in Russia on the ner.

One sory ass son of a bitch. I say let him go to Russia, he and Snowden can live the rest of their lives in wonderful bountiful Russia.

Snowden exposed a domestic surveillance program that was outrageously unconstitutional and did what he thought was right.

Assange doesn't appear to have a moral compass.

The two are not comparable.

Exactly. There are significant moral differences in their actions.

 

[steve_bank]

When you think aboutmit what is wikileaks?

It is a global clandestine intelligence operation with no transparency and no accountability enacting what appears to be an anti US and anti west agenda. I wonder what internal wikileaks communications would reveal.
Certainly if we are evil empire then Russia and China with their abuses would certainly qualify.

Could it be the USA is a soft target? We are not going to assassinate Asante despite his paranoia. Russia on the other had is a different natter.

Wikileaks appears to be that which it rails against.


What is revealing is that it seems to focus primarily on the USA. Not China or Russia.

Repeating, everybody spies. Part of what makes NK so dangerous is we have little intelligence from inside NK on which to base negotiations. Spying helps stabilize geopolitics.

There is homeland spying, no shit Sherlock. So far courts have upheld FISA warents. The question is wheter or not telecommunucations is priveledged communications. I'd have to look up the specifics but there were cases on wiretapping going back to the first hakf of the 29th century.

Telecommunication's is third party communications, as such in one case it is not privileged or private. Third part service providers maintain billing logs. If you have a personal hard wired link you used that would be different. Snail mail is priviledged communication and requires a court order to intercept.

The real threat is not the goat mentors and data mining, it is private corporate data mingy. All your telecommunications connection data is up for sale and has been for a long time. Google and Amazon.

There was an idea floated by a company to RFID tag items like shoes that would allow tracking through stores. Therer was idea to tag yiu by air dispensing on your clothes to track ypu around a amall.

Govt is the least of our worries. Creating a large interconnect data base that can be accessed with a court order I have no problem with. Compared to everything else it islike the barn door after the cows ran away.

Back on the 19th century Pinkerton had a national private intelligence operation that fed over telegraph data into a central data base where in criminal cases could be correlated and mined. At the peak he had more operatives than the Army, so I read.

It is nothing new.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

For the moment forget about Russia and what their interests might be.

What is wrong about telling the truth? What is wrong about shedding light on a clandestine shadowy government? IMO, (excepting in times of war) I feel my government should have nothing to hide from me. Because if they do have something to hide from me, it is usually NOT going to be in my best interest. That's just how people of power have always acted for thousands of years. And it is why we supposedly have a constitution (which is just there for looks now) to protect our rights. And that's why our 1st amendment was supposedly going to offer free speech to journalism to keep the seedy government in check.

The only real truth tellers there are today are people like Assange. They rest are incorporated into special interests who DO NOT want to tell you what is really going on.

Because he didn't go through and remove the stuff that would get people killed. As far as I'm concerned what he did amounts to first degree murder.

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I do not doubt it. He has been running an anti west TV show in Russia on the ner.

One sory ass son of a bitch. I say let him go to Russia, he and Snowden can live the rest of their lives in wonderful bountiful Russia.

Snowden exposed a domestic surveillance program that was outrageously unconstitutional and did what he thought was right.

Assange doesn't appear to have a moral compass.

The two are not comparable.

Exactly. Snowden limited his leak to the wrongdoing he sought to expose. Assange didn't.

 

[RVonse]

Because he didn't go through and remove the stuff that would get people killed. As far as I'm concerned what he did amounts to first degree murder.

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Snowden exposed a domestic surveillance program that was outrageously unconstitutional and did what he thought was right.

Assange doesn't appear to have a moral compass.

The two are not comparable.

Exactly. Snowden limited his leak to the wrongdoing he sought to expose. Assange didn't.

If the roaches couldn't stand to be seen in daylight they should have covered up themselves better in the first place.

(Im thinking Clint Eastwood may have said something similar to that to Gene Hackman in the movie "unforgiven ")

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Because he didn't go through and remove the stuff that would get people killed. As far as I'm concerned what he did amounts to first degree murder.

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Snowden exposed a domestic surveillance program that was outrageously unconstitutional and did what he thought was right.

Assange doesn't appear to have a moral compass.

The two are not comparable.

Exactly. Snowden limited his leak to the wrongdoing he sought to expose. Assange didn't.

If the roaches couldn't stand to be seen in daylight they should have covered up themselves better in the first place.

(Im thinking Clint Eastwood may have said something similar to that to Gene Hackman in the movie "unforgiven ")

You forgot to actually address the basis of the response to you... that Snowden is a Patriot and Assange is a self-serving asshole.

 

[RVonse]

If the roaches couldn't stand to be seen in daylight they should have covered up themselves better in the first place.

(Im thinking Clint Eastwood may have said something similar to that to Gene Hackman in the movie "unforgiven ")

You forgot to actually address the basis of the response to you... that Snowden is a Patriot and Assange is a self-serving asshole.

You and Loren might change your mind if you inform yourselves. And actually listen to the guy here: https://www.rt.com/news/438968-assange-last-interview-blackout/

His last known interview. Its kind of long but it is (IMHO) highly worth the time.

For his entire career, Assange has been seeking to understand mankind. Actually started off not in journalism but in the physics realm. His expertise in encryption was used in order to obtain the truth in his pursuit of causality of political events. According to the Fermi paradox we should already have encountered alien life but have not. It is highly possible the reason because other life has started as we have, but that at a certain stage intelligence becomes artificially conflicted into extinction.

You and Loren are understandably appalled at certain intelligence personal being put at risk by Wikileaks. But what about all the loss of life caused during needless wars based on lies; caused by improper journalism throughout the passage of time? He estimates that each journalist in the US not performing their job has been responsible for 200 lives lost. So if there were intelligence personal put at risk, what is that compared to the issue of journalism lying to the public for the campaign for fake war?

Seeking the truth is worth it for the sake of man kind survival. I view Assange as I do Elon Musk. Both are hero's in the pursuit of seeking the preservation of the human species.

 

[Harry Bosch]

If the roaches couldn't stand to be seen in daylight they should have covered up themselves better in the first place.

(Im thinking Clint Eastwood may have said something similar to that to Gene Hackman in the movie "unforgiven ")

You forgot to actually address the basis of the response to you... that Snowden is a Patriot and Assange is a self-serving asshole.

You and Loren might change your mind if you inform yourselves. And actually listen to the guy here: https://www.rt.com/news/438968-assange-last-interview-blackout/

His last known interview. Its kind of long but it is (IMHO) highly worth the time.

For his entire career, Assange has been seeking to understand mankind. Actually started off not in journalism but in the physics realm. His expertise in encryption was used in order to obtain the truth in his pursuit of causality of political events. According to the Fermi paradox we should already have encountered alien life but have not. It is highly possible the reason because other life has started as we have, but that at a certain stage intelligence becomes artificially conflicted into extinction.

You and Loren are understandably appalled at certain intelligence personal being put at risk by Wikileaks. But what about all the loss of life caused during needless wars based on lies; caused by improper journalism throughout the passage of time? He estimates that each journalist in the US not performing their job has been responsible for 200 lives lost. So if there were intelligence personal put at risk, what is that compared to the issue of journalism lying to the public for the campaign for fake war?

Seeking the truth is worth it for the sake of man kind survival. I view Assange as I do Elon Musk. Both are hero's in the pursuit of seeking the preservation of the human species.

Please! Assange is a Russian/Trump stool. The only scandal's that he and his minions expose are democratic ones. Are you trying to make the case that the republicans are innocent? There are no republican illegal wars or mistakes. There are no scandals in the Trump administration? You really want us to believe that??? Elon Musk is trying to save the world. He's pushing for a cleaner planet, fixing the environment, getting us to Mars.

 

[RavenSky]

For the moment forget about Russia and what their interests might be.

What is wrong about telling the truth?

There is nothing wrong with telling the truth. Snowden outed a massively unconstitutional spying program on Americans and should be a hero, not living in Russia. The problem with Wikileaks is that when you try to act as the hero, you can't be choosing sides, which is exactly what Wikileaks did. Even back in the in W days, it was becoming clear that Wikileaks seemed more interested in exposing American secrets for gains than "telling the truth".

The only real truth tellers there are today are people like Assange.

You mean the people that'll expose only the secrets that are in their best interests?

^^^^ exactly what Jimmy said

 

[RVonse]

Please! Assange is a Russian/Trump stool. The only scandal's that he and his minions expose are democratic ones.

911 was during Bush (Republican administrastion) https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/nov/25/wikileaks-publishes-messages-9-11.

Actually listen to him in the above video and with an open mind you may change your opinion about him.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Please! Assange is a Russian/Trump stool. The only scandal's that he and his minions expose are democratic ones.

911 was during Bush (Republican administrastion) https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/nov/25/wikileaks-publishes-messages-9-11.

Actually listen to him in the above video and with an open mind you may change your opinion about him.

Dude, the Russians disliked the Bushes more than HRC. The Bushs are pretty financially independent.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Please! Assange is a Russian/Trump stool. The only scandal's that he and his minions expose are democratic ones.

911 was during Bush (Republican administrastion) https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/nov/25/wikileaks-publishes-messages-9-11.

Actually listen to him in the above video and with an open mind you may change your opinion about him.

I was rather anti-W during the W years. And even then, when the later batches of info were released that made the US (W Admin) look bad, it was apparent that Assange was an ass, and that Assange seemed to have a dog in the fight... and it was the one fightiing the US/west.

I actually wrote a post about this way back when. The archives are down though. Wikileaks actions speak very loudly. And that was before they targeted a singular political campaign in 2016. The GOP was doing what they could to stop Trump... Cruz and Kasich even publicly announced a pact. Not a peep of "truth" from Assange.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If the roaches couldn't stand to be seen in daylight they should have covered up themselves better in the first place.

(Im thinking Clint Eastwood may have said something similar to that to Gene Hackman in the movie "unforgiven ")

You forgot to actually address the basis of the response to you... that Snowden is a Patriot and Assange is a self-serving asshole.

You and Loren might change your mind if you inform yourselves. And actually listen to the guy here: https://www.rt.com/news/438968-assange-last-interview-blackout/

Inform myself with a propaganda outlet from Moscow? No thanks.