Bernie - Our Revolution

[Cheerful Charlie]

https://ourrevolution.com/

Bernie starts the revolution.

His new organization is going to try to run candidates in as many elections as possible. He wants to push politics to the left. This is going to be interesting to see how this works out long term. I wouldn't expect much short term, but as the older generations die off and the millenials enter the political arena, this could bear fruit.

If Gary Johnson as a libertarian can do 8% of the vote, A Democratic Socialist should be able to do at least as well. Bernie may be too old to run again, but maybe in years ahead, the main stream Democrats may have some competition from the left, and not just the Green party.

This is going to be interesting to see how this unfolds.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

If he can convert the passion he generated in the primaries into votes in the general election, he'll have made something significant.

 

[dismal]

Sounds like it's going well:

Bernie Sanders’s New Political Group Is Met by Staff Revolt

...

The announcement of the group, which was live streamed on Wednesday night, also came as a majority of its staff resigned after the appointment last Monday of Jeff Weaver, Mr. Sanders’s former campaign manager, to lead the organization.

Several people familiar with the organization said eight core staff members had stepped down. The group’s entire organizing department quit this week, along with people working in digital and data positions.

After the resignations, Mr. Sanders spoke to some who had quit and asked them to reconsider, but the staff members refused.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/25/us/politics/bernie-sanders-our-revolution-group.html?_r=0

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If he can convert the passion he generated in the primaries into votes in the general election, he'll have made something significant.

Of course, herding liberals and progressives is a lot like herding cats.

 

[Elixir]

If he can convert the passion he generated in the primaries into votes in the general election, he'll have made something significant.

Of course, herding liberals and progressives is a lot like herding cats.

No harder than herding neo-nazi racists. Maybe he should hire teh Donald.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Brand New Congress Project

https://brandnewcongress.org/plan

This should be interesting.

 

[untermensche]

The movement was never about Bernie.

It is about some of his ideas.

We won't hear these ideas in the presidential debates.

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

The movement was never about Bernie.

It is about some of his ideas.

But these ideas have been around for at least 100 years. There are already at least a dozen political parties campaigning on these ideas, running candidates, preaching the same chants, stirring up the same emotionalism, waving the same banners.

Starting up still another party will only dilute the Communist / Socialist parties already out there. Why are you trying to destroy the Working Class by creating still more political parties to divide them up even further?

Are you guys really dirty capitalist pigs in disguise trying to destroy the Revolution by dividing the comrades into smaller and smaller factions? ----- sneaky

 

[untermensche]

The movement was never about Bernie.

It is about some of his ideas.

But these ideas have been around for at least 100 years. There are already at least a dozen political parties campaigning on these ideas, running candidates, preaching the same chants, stirring up the same emotionalism, waving the same banners.

Starting up still another party will only dilute the Communist / Socialist parties already out there. Why are you trying to destroy the Working Class by creating still more political parties to divide them up even further?

Are you guys really dirty capitalist pigs in disguise trying to destroy the Revolution by dividing the comrades into smaller and smaller factions? ----- sneaky

Presently neither major party in the US serves the working class.

There are two parties united with the rich ruling class (parasites) shitting on the working class (the necessary generators of wealth). Bernie is a lone dissenter of these policies.

A party that actually served the interests of the working class would be a refreshing change in US politics.

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

Don't we already have "working-class" parties? at least a dozen? Socialist Workers, Socialist Labor, etc. etc.? What's the point of still another?

But these ideas have been around for at least 100 years. There are already at least a dozen political parties campaigning on these ideas, running candidates, preaching the same chants, stirring up the same emotionalism, waving the same banners.

Starting up still another party will only dilute the Communist / Socialist parties already out there. Why are you trying to destroy the Working Class by creating still more political parties to divide them up even further?

Are you guys really dirty capitalist pigs in disguise trying to destroy the Revolution by dividing the comrades into smaller and smaller factions? ----- sneaky

Presently neither major party in the US serves the working class.

There are two parties united with the rich ruling class (parasites) shitting on the working class (the necessary generators of wealth). Bernie is a lone dissenter of these policies.

But he's worse -- he would shit on all the poor by taking away their Chinese imports, driving up the prices they have to pay, reducing their standard of living.

Granted, Trump might be even worse than Bernie, because he would also deprive us of most of our immigrant cheap labor, thus driving up even more of the prices we pay.

The truth is that ALL of them would screw the consumers by driving up the cost of living for all the poor.

But since your goal is to screw consumers as much as possible, including the poor, in order to provide phony "jobs" to the "working class," maybe Trump is a better choice for you than Bernie, who wouldn't drive out as much of the cheap labor we all benefit from, so you could accomplish your consumer-screwing goal even better with Trump.

A party that actually served the interests of the working class would be a refreshing change in US politics.

But again, Sanders is no "change" -- his ideas -- we've had those parties around for 100 years or more, plenty of "working class" parties who put "jobs" ahead of prosperity. Like the wall-to-wall factories they had in the Soviet Union. Lower standard of living for all -- but at least they had "full employment" phony "jobs" for everyone.

So how are the Sanders "ideas" any different than these old worn-out Left-wing parties we've already had for so long? How would any new version of these old "ideas" be any better than before? What's wrong with the existing left-wing parties that the Sanders "ideas" would improve on?

Dress up the same old pig, paint "Bernie" on it, put lipstick on it, etc. -- still the same old pig.

 

[untermensche]

Presently neither major party in the US serves the working class.

There are two parties united with the rich ruling class (parasites) shitting on the working class (the necessary generators of wealth). Bernie is a lone dissenter of these policies.

But he's worse -- he would shit on all the poor by taking away their Chinese imports, driving up the prices they have to pay, reducing their standard of living.

Granted, Trump might be even worse than Bernie, because he would also deprive us of most of our immigrant cheap labor, thus driving up even more of the prices we pay.

He wants to raise the wages of the poor and reduce the living costs of the poor. Wages are raised through support of unions and protection of unions and encouragement of unions. And many costs can be lowered, like health care costs can be lowered with universal healthcare and tuition costs can be lowered with greater funding of Universities.

This allows the poor to pay a little more for a toaster.

But since your goal is to screw consumers as much as possible, including the poor, in order to provide phony "jobs" to the "working class," maybe Trump is a better choice for you than Bernie, who wouldn't drive out as much of the cheap labor we all benefit from, so you could accomplish your consumer-screwing goal even better with Trump.

Consumers are screwed by stagnant wages. They are not sharing in the prosperity their labor is generating.

And within tyrannical and despotic capitalist structures the only way to raise wages is through labor unions.

But the real solution is to do away with the tyrannies entirely and move to a system of worker ownership.

The next step in human freedom that those benefiting from the current tyrannical system have no desire to see.

A party that actually served the interests of the working class would be a refreshing change in US politics.

But again, Sanders is no "change" -- his ideas -- we've had those parties around for 100 years or more, plenty of "working class" parties who put "jobs" ahead of prosperity. Like the wall-to-wall factories they had in the Soviet Union. Lower standard of living for all -- but at least they had "full employment" phony "jobs" for everyone.

Absurd. The 1950's and 60's in the US was a time when wages rose as the prosperity labor created increased.

Because unions had power.

And the sky did not fall down.

 

[Trausti]

Bernie's revolution is to let others work while he talks, talks, talks.

Other than working on his article, which involved interviewing a pregnant member of the commune, Sanders spent his time at Myrtle Hill in “endless political discussion,” Deloz reports. This did not go over well with the rest of the hippies, who were working the land the way folks used to do in Colonial Vermont, which meant enduring long hours of backbreaking labor. According to Daloz, one of the commune members, Craig, “resented feeling like he had to pull others out of Bernie’s orbit if any work was going to get accomplished that day.”

In the end, Sanders was told he was no longer welcome. “When Bernie had stayed for Myrtle’s allotted three days, Craig politely requested that he move on,” Daloz reports.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/new-book-bernie-sanders-was-kicked-off-vermont-commune-for-loafing/2016/04/20/

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

But what's new about Bernie's "ideas"?

Consumers are screwed by stagnant wages. They are not sharing in the prosperity their labor is generating.

And within tyrannical and despotic capitalist structures the only way to raise wages is through labor unions.

But the real solution is to do away with the tyrannies entirely and move to a system of worker ownership.

The next step in human freedom that those benefiting from the current tyrannical system have no desire to see.

Isn't the above the same crybaby stuff that Socialist parties have been saying for 100 years or so? What's new? How is the "Bernie revolution" anything different than the already-existing socialist parties have been crusading for?

A party that actually served the interests of the working class would be a refreshing change in US politics.

But again, Sanders is no "change" -- his ideas -- we've had those parties around for 100 years or more, plenty of "working class" parties who put "jobs" ahead of prosperity. Like the wall-to-wall factories they had in the Soviet Union. Lower standard of living for all -- but at least they had "full employment" phony "jobs" for everyone.

Absurd. The 1950's and 60's in the US was a time when wages rose as the prosperity labor created increased.

Because unions had power.

It was science and industry that created the prosperity, not wage-earners and union rabble-rousers. Unions do nothing but drive up the cost of production and the prices consumers have to pay.

But you're not answering what the "Bernie" revolution adds beyond the old Leftist parties: Didn't the Socialist parties promote the "working class" rhetoric as much or even better than Bernie's crusade? What are the Bernie "ideas" that add anything new that we haven't already had for 100 years from the Socialist and Communist parties?

 

[untermensche]

Isn't the above the same crybaby stuff that Socialist parties have been saying for 100 years or so? What's new? How is the "Bernie revolution" anything different than the already-existing socialist parties have been crusading for?

No and only a very ignorant person would think so.

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

Isn't the above the same crybaby stuff that Socialist parties have been saying for 100 years or so? What's new? How is the "Bernie revolution" anything different than the already-existing socialist parties have been crusading for?

No and only a very ignorant person would think so.

But you won't say what the difference is?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Here is a question for you all. Why are food and shelter not basic human rights? Why universal health care and not universal food care or shelter?

 

[dismal]

Here is a question for you all. Why are food and shelter not basic human rights? Why universal health care and not universal food care or shelter?

You left off wi-fi. Also a basic human right. Since caveman times.

 

[fromderinside]

You left off wi-fi. Also a basic human right. Since caveman times.

Not relevant. The time is now. Man marches on. Maybe when wi-fi cancer problem is resolved./hoo hoo - woo woo

 

[aeebee50]

He is too worried about socialism to help the veterans. He really should get off the Veterans Committee and work on socialism issues.

 

[RavenSky]

Here is a question for you all. Why are food and shelter not basic human rights? Why universal health care and not universal food care or shelter?

Can't answer for anyone else, but I think basic food and shelter are also human rights in addition to health care.