Biden administration excludes white farmers from loan foregiveness

[Arctish]

https://www.ewg.org/research/black-farmer-usda-timeline/

This site maybe biased,but is probably accurate.

https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/forty-acres-and-mule/

And this.

That first link is excellent. It clearly shows how we got to the point that Congress and the current Administration are openly providing long delayed assistance to black and minority farmers. The easily foreseen pushback is following the usual playbook: cry about reverse discrimination and deny that decades of favorable terms and treatment of white farmers needs to be addressed in any way, much less by ensuring through set-asides that blacks and minorities get the same support and assistance white farmers receive.

What did current White farmers do to be punished as a group for the color of their skin?

Whatever gave you the idea they're being punished?

 

[Rhea]

Oh, did they stop saying that, now?
It’s hard to understand them sometimes, through the tears.

Who is 'they'?

The only people I have ever heard use the term 'reverse discrimination' are people who think discriminating against white people either cannot exist, or it can exist and they don't give a fuck.*

*EDIT: It is also used by people who think discrimination against men cannot exist, or it can exist and they don't give a fuck.

Ah, you missed the years and years and years of white men complaining that they are victims of “reverse discrimination.”
It is had to understand them through the sobbing.

 

[Metaphor]

Oh, did they stop saying that, now?
It’s hard to understand them sometimes, through the tears.

Who is 'they'?

The only people I have ever heard use the term 'reverse discrimination' are people who think discriminating against white people either cannot exist, or it can exist and they don't give a fuck.*

*EDIT: It is also used by people who think discrimination against men cannot exist, or it can exist and they don't give a fuck.

Ah, you missed the years and years and years of white men complaining that they are victims of “reverse discrimination.”
It is had to understand them through the sobbing.

Yes, you've already made clear your feelings about the distress of people being discriminated against.

 

[Trausti]

 

[Arctish]

White Farmers Got 97 Percent of Last Year’s Ag Bailout. Now Some Are Mad Black Farmers Are Getting Debt Relief.

Okay, now for a bit of context. For decades, the US Department of Agriculture systematically denied Black farmers access to the loans and other aid lavished on their white peers, contributing to foreclosures and millions of acres of lost land for tens of thousands of farm families. According to the Land Loss and Reparations Project—a team consisting of Texas A&M’s Thomas Mitchell; University of Massachusetts, Boston, economist Dania V. Francis; the New School’s Darrick Hamilton; Harvard’s Nathan Rosenberg; and journalist Bryce Stucki—the USDA’s historical injustice helped trigger a loss of Black wealth worth at least $300 billion, contributing to a massive and persistent racial wealth gap.
...
As for those “forgotten” farmers highlighted by Fox News, well, in 2020, while the presidential election heated up, the federal government basically parachuted cash into farm country. Agricultural subsidies reached an all-time annual record of $46.2 billion that year, after hovering at around $11 billion during pre-Trump years. The extra payments originated mainly from two sources: a program ginned up by former President Donald Trump in 2018, without Congressional input, seeking to shield “our Great Patriot Farmers” from the fallout of his trade war; and from Congressionally mandated COVID-relief acts passed last year.

The two sources had one thing in common: Upwards of 97 percent of each went to white farmers. The great bulk of conventional farm subsidies also flow to that group.

...

As for the farmers now complaining about the aid earmarked for farmers of color in the COVID-relief bill? Many of them benefit quite nicely from the status quo. Rep. Graves—the one who denounced supporting farmers of color as “wrong and un-American”—represents a district in Missouri that received nearly $5 billion in farm subsidies between 1995 and 2020. His own family farm took in $661,153 over that same period, including $57,089 in 2019 alone. From his perch in the US House, he vigorously supports the subsidy system. Matt and Kelly Griggs—the ones fretting to Fox News about fairness and divisiveness—have had similar success with federal payments. Their operation took in $693,653 from 1995 through 2020, nearly half of it since 2017.

 

[Metaphor]

So...what? Did the 2020 bailout discriminate by race? Since the 2017 Agricultural Census shows that 97& of farms are owned by whites, why would it be shocking to find out they got 97% of the total relief?

White Farmers Got 97 Percent of Last Year’s Ag Bailout. Now Some Are Mad Black Farmers Are Getting Debt Relief.

Okay, now for a bit of context. For decades, the US Department of Agriculture systematically denied Black farmers access to the loans and other aid lavished on their white peers, contributing to foreclosures and millions of acres of lost land for tens of thousands of farm families. According to the Land Loss and Reparations Project—a team consisting of Texas A&M’s Thomas Mitchell; University of Massachusetts, Boston, economist Dania V. Francis; the New School’s Darrick Hamilton; Harvard’s Nathan Rosenberg; and journalist Bryce Stucki—the USDA’s historical injustice helped trigger a loss of Black wealth worth at least $300 billion, contributing to a massive and persistent racial wealth gap.
...
As for those “forgotten” farmers highlighted by Fox News, well, in 2020, while the presidential election heated up, the federal government basically parachuted cash into farm country. Agricultural subsidies reached an all-time annual record of $46.2 billion that year, after hovering at around $11 billion during pre-Trump years. The extra payments originated mainly from two sources: a program ginned up by former President Donald Trump in 2018, without Congressional input, seeking to shield “our Great Patriot Farmers” from the fallout of his trade war; and from Congressionally mandated COVID-relief acts passed last year.

The two sources had one thing in common: Upwards of 97 percent of each went to white farmers. The great bulk of conventional farm subsidies also flow to that group.

...

As for the farmers now complaining about the aid earmarked for farmers of color in the COVID-relief bill? Many of them benefit quite nicely from the status quo. Rep. Graves—the one who denounced supporting farmers of color as “wrong and un-American”—represents a district in Missouri that received nearly $5 billion in farm subsidies between 1995 and 2020. His own family farm took in $661,153 over that same period, including $57,089 in 2019 alone. From his perch in the US House, he vigorously supports the subsidy system. Matt and Kelly Griggs—the ones fretting to Fox News about fairness and divisiveness—have had similar success with federal payments. Their operation took in $693,653 from 1995 through 2020, nearly half of it since 2017.

 

[none]

So...what? Did the 2020 bailout discriminate by race? Since the 2017 Agricultural Census shows that 97& of farms are owned by whites, why would it be shocking to find out they got 97% of the total relief?

obviously they did, you didn't see the money go to the workers at the taqueria.

 

[none]

this fucking clown on Twitter, not even the idiot clown with an undergraduate degree and 2 graduate degrees has a clue.

 

[laughing dog]

So...what? Did the 2020 bailout discriminate by race? Since the 2017 Agricultural Census shows that 97& of farms are owned by whites, why would it be shocking to find out they got 97% of the total relief?

Why would anyone think that relief (aid targeted to those who need it) be exactly correlated with ownership instead of real need?

Interestingly, using that statistic and your logic, it appears relief in agricultural is distributed according to race. Of course correlation does not mean causation.

 

[laughing dog]

this fucking clown on Twitter, not even the idiot clown with an undergraduate degree and 2 graduate degrees has a clue.

i think Dr. Sowell is referring to Trumpers.

 

[Metaphor]

Why would anyone think that relief (aid targeted to those who need it) be exactly correlated with ownership instead of real need?

I don't believe it. I am simply applying leftist equity logic. But Mother Jones appeared to believe it was somehow relevant that 97 per cent of farm aid in 2020 went to white farmers, as did Arctish.

Interestingly, using that statistic and your logic, it appears relief in agricultural is distributed according to race. Of course correlation does not mean causation.

No: it would mean that prima facie, there appeared to be no discrimination based on race in the 2020 distribution of farm aid.

Of course, I'm not a simpleton leftist who thinks that a correlation implies causation. For example, I can recognise that even if white farmers own 97% of farms (by number), getting some smaller percentage of farm aid does not mean they were discriminated against as white people. Perhaps certain crops were targeted that white farmers were less likely to grow, or perhaps white farmers have larger holdings than average and aid was directed at smaller holdings, or any of a million reasons.

But when the 2021 aid explicitly discriminates by race, it beggars belief that people deny that it discriminates by race.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Anyone remember why the Agricultural companies needed a bailout?

 

[TV and credit cards]

Based on the info in this story alone, it seems the government is advantaging some over others based on race. Seems the government should have structured the program as compensation (settlement) resulting from lawsuits by minority farmers who have been wronged in the past. The story mentions both but not that one is compensation for the other.

 

[Gospel]

It's the US Government that fucked over black farmers and not the people who were born yesterday (pun intended). The US Government is still here and still responsible for its actions so why not have the Government remedy the wrongs directly instead of setting up stupid programs of which people who aren't responsible for the wrongs (and haven't been wronged) expect equal access.

 

[laughing dog]

Why would anyone think that relief (aid targeted to those who need it) be exactly correlated with ownership instead of real need?

I don't believe it. I am simply applying leftist equity logic.....

In other words, just another ideologically-driven illogical attack. I guess somethings just don't change.

 

[Rhea]

Ah, you missed the years and years and years of white men complaining that they are victims of “reverse discrimination.”
It is had to understand them through the sobbing.

Yes, you've already made clear your feelings about the distress of people being discriminated against.

You asked who “they” were. I told you.
You asked if “they” had said the thing I claimed. I told you.
You answered with a misdirection dodge.

Not sure what your point is any more.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

*sigh*

and the violent oppression of wealthy land owning white men continues, unabated as it has been for millennia.

the history of this country is truly written in the tears of socially and economically privileged white men being brutalized and who have suffered more than... well, more than anything in the history of the human race, if you stop and think about it.

You're defending very blatant racism here. "No whites need apply" is just as vile as "no blacks need apply".

 

[Metaphor]

Ah, you missed the years and years and years of white men complaining that they are victims of “reverse discrimination.”
It is had to understand them through the sobbing.

Yes, you've already made clear your feelings about the distress of people being discriminated against.

You asked who “they” were. I told you.
You asked if “they” had said the thing I claimed. I told you.
You answered with a misdirection dodge.

Not sure what your point is any more.

Yes: I said I believed you that you have heard white men complaining about being discriminated against and using the term 'reverse discrimination' to describe their situation.

I don't believe my response was a 'misdirection dodge', but I'm not certain what you mean by that term. I believe your response and I pointed out how your response reveals your callous disregard for discrimination against white men.

 

[Metaphor]

Why would anyone think that relief (aid targeted to those who need it) be exactly correlated with ownership instead of real need?

I don't believe it. I am simply applying leftist equity logic.....

In other words, just another ideologically-driven illogical attack. I guess somethings just don't change.

It isn't "illogical", but it is certainly an attack on leftist logic. Leftist logic assumes an inequitable outcome is proof of structural racism. I pointed out that there hadn't even been an inequitable outcome.

 

[Metaphor]

It's the US Government that fucked over black farmers and not the people who were born yesterday (pun intended). The US Government is still here and still responsible for its actions so why not have the Government remedy the wrongs directly instead of setting up stupid programs of which people who aren't responsible for the wrongs (and haven't been wronged) expect equal access.

I agree entirely.

If the US government through the USDA discriminated by race against certain farmers in the past, then specific compensation should be given to those farmers to remedy what they missed out on.