Black NYPD: Any of us could've been Eric Garner

[Shadowy Man]

Willy Sutton, when asked why he robbed banks, disarmingly quipped "Because that's where the money is". Well, NYC officers stop blacks because "Those are where the criminals are".

Simple, honest, and racially realistic.

Bad analogy. All banks have money, but not all blacks are criminals.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Willy Sutton, when asked why he robbed banks, disarmingly quipped "Because that's where the money is". Well, NYC officers stop blacks because "Those are where the criminals are".

Simple, honest, and racially realistic.

Bad analogy. All banks have money, but not all blacks are criminals.

Well Max is that what you think? All blacks are criminals? Or maybe just most blacks are criminals? And if so, then is it okay for black police officers to harassed by white police officers? Must black police officers be in uniform 24/7 or just expect to be profiled and targeted?

 

[Horatio Parker]

It is even simpler than that: The duty of cops is to stop crime and in NYC blacks are responsible for far more crime than other races, far more than NYC whites. When a predominantly black community has a shooting rate 81 times higher than white communities then you have more suspects, more crime, and more stops of blacks. When blacks commit 75 percent of all shootings in New York, and whites a little over 2 percent, one detains those persons who are more likely to be the shooters...blacks (especially young black males).

The picture is the same nationally. Black males between the ages of 14 and 24 committed homicide at ten times the rate of white and Hispanic males combined in the same age category in 2008, resulting in a homicide victimization rate nearly as disproportionate. As for interracial crime, black homicide offenders in 2010 had nearly three times the absolute number of white and Hispanic victims as there were black victims of white and Hispanic homicide offenders, despite blacks’ much lower population numbers.

Willy Sutton, when asked why he robbed banks, disarmingly quipped "Because that's where the money is". Well, NYC officers stop blacks because "Those are where the criminals are".

Simple, honest, and racially realistic.

So if it's right and good for the police and righteous citizens both to profile blacks for the greater good, shouldn't it be acceptable for blacks to profile all whites as racist? If we examine US history, the overwhelming evidence is that whites systematically and brutally oppressed blacks for centuries. Therefore, according to what I'm hearing from you, the white race in its entirety should be profiled as racist. And they should accept that.

Perhaps you should choose a better example. Whites commit racism, but racism is not (in and of itself) a crime.

There are many race related crimes. Apparently all whites are guilty of all of them.

 

[maxparrish]

Willy Sutton, when asked why he robbed banks, disarmingly quipped "Because that's where the money is". Well, NYC officers stop blacks because "Those are where the criminals are".

Simple, honest, and racially realistic.

Bad analogy. All banks have money, but not all blacks are criminals.

Bad reading. All banks have money and the NYC black populations are (disproportionally) where the criminals are. Simple, honest, and racially realistic.

 

[maxparrish]

It is even simpler than that: The duty of cops is to stop crime and in NYC blacks are responsible for far more crime than other races, far more than NYC whites. When a predominantly black community has a shooting rate 81 times higher than white communities then you have more suspects, more crime, and more stops of blacks. When blacks commit 75 percent of all shootings in New York, and whites a little over 2 percent, one detains those persons who are more likely to be the shooters...blacks (especially young black males).

The picture is the same nationally. Black males between the ages of 14 and 24 committed homicide at ten times the rate of white and Hispanic males combined in the same age category in 2008, resulting in a homicide victimization rate nearly as disproportionate. As for interracial crime, black homicide offenders in 2010 had nearly three times the absolute number of white and Hispanic victims as there were black victims of white and Hispanic homicide offenders, despite blacks’ much lower population numbers.

Willy Sutton, when asked why he robbed banks, disarmingly quipped "Because that's where the money is". Well, NYC officers stop blacks because "Those are where the criminals are".

Simple, honest, and racially realistic.

So if it's right and good for the police and righteous citizens both to profile blacks for the greater good, shouldn't it be acceptable for blacks to profile all whites as racist? If we examine US history, the overwhelming evidence is that whites systematically and brutally oppressed blacks for centuries. Therefore, according to what I'm hearing from you, the white race in its entirety should be profiled as racist. And they should accept that.

Perhaps you should choose a better example. Whites commit racism, but racism is not (in and of itself) a crime.

There are many race related crimes. Apparently all whites are guilty of all of them.

And when investigating a race motivated crime against blacks, a good place to start is in profiling the white community.

 

[maxparrish]

Bad analogy. All banks have money, but not all blacks are criminals.

Well Max is that what you think? All blacks are criminals? Or maybe just most blacks are criminals? And if so, then is it okay for black police officers to harassed by white police officers? Must black police officers be in uniform 24/7 or just expect to be profiled and targeted?

I do not think all, or the majority, of blacks are criminals. But I do believe blacks are far more likely to be criminals, especially if they are male, young, and from the underclass. If so, it is quite okay for white and black police officers to profile suspects by the race, ethnicity, gender, and class. In fact, if you are looking for a serial killer, you profile for white males. If you are looking for an armored car robbery in NYC, you profile for the Irish and the community of Charlestown. And if you are patrolling for stolen cars, drug dealing, etc. you go to those racial/underclass communities best known for those crimes.

And like anyone else, if those black police officers are engaged in suspicious activity and look to fit a profile, they should expect to be questioned. No one is endorsing 'harrassment' for its own sake, but there is nothing wrong with taking demographic attributes into choices for legitimate inquiry.

 

[arkirk]

Bad analogy. All banks have money, but not all blacks are criminals.

Bad reading. All banks have money and the NYC black populations are (disproportionally) where the criminals are. Simple, honest, and racially realistic.

I think there are a lot of criminals running banks...and they aren't black. We have just witnessed the repeated dirty underhanded dealings by bankers and yet you choose to point your finger at underprivileged and underpaid people, who just happen to be black.... Your racism is overwhelming...and dead wrong.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Well Max is that what you think? All blacks are criminals? Or maybe just most blacks are criminals? And if so, then is it okay for black police officers to harassed by white police officers? Must black police officers be in uniform 24/7 or just expect to be profiled and targeted?

I do not think all, or the majority, of blacks are criminals. But I do believe blacks are far more likely to be criminals, especially if they are male, young, and from the underclass. If so, it is quite okay for white and black police officers to profile suspects by the race, ethnicity, gender, and class. In fact, if you are looking for a serial killer, you profile for white males. If you are looking for an armored car robbery in NYC, you profile for the Irish and the community of Charlestown. And if you are patrolling for stolen cars, drug dealing, etc. you go to those racial/underclass communities best known for those crimes.

And like anyone else, if those black police officers are engaged in suspicious activity and look to fit a profile, they should expect to be questioned. No one is endorsing 'harrassment' for its own sake, but there is nothing wrong with taking demographic attributes into choices for legitimate inquiry.

You think that black police officers engage in suspicious behavior? What suspicious behavior would trained police officers engage in?

 

[Davka]

I do not think all, or the majority, of blacks are criminals. But I do believe blacks are far more likely to be criminals, especially if they are male, young, and from the underclass. If so, it is quite okay for white and black police officers to profile suspects by the race, ethnicity, gender, and class. In fact, if you are looking for a serial killer, you profile for white males. If you are looking for an armored car robbery in NYC, you profile for the Irish and the community of Charlestown. And if you are patrolling for stolen cars, drug dealing, etc. you go to those racial/underclass communities best known for those crimes.

And like anyone else, if those black police officers are engaged in suspicious activity and look to fit a profile, they should expect to be questioned. No one is endorsing 'harrassment' for its own sake, but there is nothing wrong with taking demographic attributes into choices for legitimate inquiry.

You think that black police officers engage in suspicious behavior? What suspicious behavior would trained police officers engage in?

Oh, come on, Athena! Those black men were blatantly driving cars or walking down the street, while out of uniform!

It just doesn't get any more suspicious than that.

 

[Horatio Parker]

And when investigating a race motivated crime against blacks, a good place to start is in profiling the white community.

Very good. Pantaleo and Wilson should've been indicted, then.

Now if we can just fix law enforcement's stonewalling.

 

[maxparrish]

I do not think all, or the majority, of blacks are criminals. But I do believe blacks are far more likely to be criminals, especially if they are male, young, and from the underclass. If so, it is quite okay for white and black police officers to profile suspects by the race, ethnicity, gender, and class. In fact, if you are looking for a serial killer, you profile for white males. If you are looking for an armored car robbery in NYC, you profile for the Irish and the community of Charlestown. And if you are patrolling for stolen cars, drug dealing, etc. you go to those racial/underclass communities best known for those crimes.

And like anyone else, if those black police officers are engaged in suspicious activity and look to fit a profile, they should expect to be questioned. No one is endorsing 'harrassment' for its own sake, but there is nothing wrong with taking demographic attributes into choices for legitimate inquiry.

You think that black police officers engage in suspicious behavior? What suspicious behavior would trained police officers engage in?

Everybody engages in suspicious behavior, sooner or later - even if it turns out to be innocent. The only question is if that behavior rises to the level of being worthy of investigation. Sometimes, as I have experienced, it is just being in the wrong place at the wrong time that will warrant stopping and questioning. Other times, as I have experienced, it will be driving a car that matches a description of a get-away vehicle.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

You think that black police officers engage in suspicious behavior? What suspicious behavior would trained police officers engage in?

Everybody engages in suspicious behavior, sooner or later - even if it turns out to be innocent. The only question is if that behavior rises to the level of being worthy of investigation. Sometimes, as I have experienced, it is just being in the wrong place at the wrong time that will warrant stopping and questioning. Other times, as I have experienced, it will be driving a car that matches a description of a get-away vehicle.

Max,

there are bigots on police forces that like fucking with black people

Period.

 

[Derec]

there are bigots on police forces that like fucking with black people

Hey, what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms is none of our business.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

I shared this earlier with a friend in PM.

It's my one of my favorite stories about my Poppa.


My Poppa was a LEO, federal. His beat was Justice, the Hoover Bldg, and the SCOTUS when in session. He retired 1975.

He had more than his fair share of run ins with white cops, I assure you.

He was visiting his home in GA, and he had a run in with a sheriff's deputy.

The deputy pointed to his badge and said, "Do you know what this means? This means I am the Law in this county."

Poppa reached in his pocket, pulled out his badge. "Do you see that? That's federal. That means I am the Law in every goddamn county."

Classic drop the mic moment

 

[AthenaAwakened]

there are bigots on police forces that like fucking with black people

Hey, what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms is none of our business.

Oh Derec made a funny

 

[maxparrish]

Everybody engages in suspicious behavior, sooner or later - even if it turns out to be innocent. The only question is if that behavior rises to the level of being worthy of investigation. Sometimes, as I have experienced, it is just being in the wrong place at the wrong time that will warrant stopping and questioning. Other times, as I have experienced, it will be driving a car that matches a description of a get-away vehicle.

Max,

there are bigots on police forces that like fucking with black people

Period.

And there are police that like fucking with anyone, period. No one is excusing badge heavy cops, those motivated to be racist or non-racist assholes - but not everyone agrees with the lurid characterizations of police departments in general...including other black police officers.

HEATHER MAC DONALD
The Black Cops You Never Hear About
Why doesn’t the press ask these guys if the police are racist?
Summer 2002

Ask Detective Carl McLaughlin if the police prey on black people, and this normally ebullient Brooklyn cop will respond icily: “I just prey on people that are preying on others. It shouldn’t be a race thing.”

A cop’s denial that policing is racist is perhaps not noteworthy—except for one thing: Detective McLaughlin is himself black. As such, he represents an ignored constituency in contemporary policing controversies: black officers who loathe race-based cop-bashing as much as any Irish flatfoot. As the ACLU and other professional cop-haters flood the media with tales of endemic police racism, rank-and-file minority officers, who might be considered ideal commentators on these matters, appear only as intriguing statistics—such as those showing that black state troopers in New Jersey, the alleged cradle of racial profiling, stop the same proportion of black drivers as do their purportedly racist white colleagues.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_3_black_cops.html

 

[Davka]

HEATHER MAC DONALD
The Black Cops You Never Hear About
Why doesn’t the press ask these guys if the police are racist?
Summer 2002

Ask Detective Carl McLaughlin if the police prey on black people, and this normally ebullient Brooklyn cop will respond icily: “I just prey on people that are preying on others. It shouldn’t be a race thing.”

You realize, of course, that this is VERY different from saying "The police just prey on people that are preying on others. It isnt a race thing."

you get that, right? Because you're a fair-minded, intellectually honest, observant individual.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Max,

there are bigots on police forces that like fucking with black people

Period.

And there are police that like fucking with anyone, period. No one is excusing badge heavy cops, those motivated to be racist or non-racist assholes - but not everyone agrees with the lurid characterizations of police departments in general...including other black police officers.

HEATHER MAC DONALD
The Black Cops You Never Hear About
Why doesn’t the press ask these guys if the police are racist?
Summer 2002

Ask Detective Carl McLaughlin if the police prey on black people, and this normally ebullient Brooklyn cop will respond icily: “I just prey on people that are preying on others. It shouldn’t be a race thing.”

A cop’s denial that policing is racist is perhaps not noteworthy—except for one thing: Detective McLaughlin is himself black. As such, he represents an ignored constituency in contemporary policing controversies: black officers who loathe race-based cop-bashing as much as any Irish flatfoot. As the ACLU and other professional cop-haters flood the media with tales of endemic police racism, rank-and-file minority officers, who might be considered ideal commentators on these matters, appear only as intriguing statistics—such as those showing that black state troopers in New Jersey, the alleged cradle of racial profiling, stop the same proportion of black drivers as do their purportedly racist white colleagues.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_3_black_cops.html

This proves what?

I'll Call your rightwing article from 2002 and raise you

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/29/nyregion/29cop.html?_r=0
Off-Duty Officer Is Fatally Shot by Police in Harlem

The officer who was killed, Omar J. Edwards, 25, a two-year veteran who was assigned to patrol housing projects and was wearing plain clothes, was shot in the arm and chest after a team of three other plainclothes officers in a car came upon him chasing a man on East 125th Street between First and Second Avenues with his gun drawn, Mr. Kelly said.

The team’s members, assigned to the anticrime unit in the 25th Precinct, got out of their vehicle and confronted Officer Edwards. The police were investigating whether the officers had identified themselves or demanded that Officer Edwards drop his weapon before one of them opened fire.

Mr. Kelly identified the officer who fired the shots only as a four-year veteran of the department, and said he had fired six rounds from his 9-millimeter Glock. Two bullets struck Officer Edwards.

Officer Edwards, a recently married father of two from Brooklyn, was taken to Harlem Hospital Center, where he was pronounced dead at 11:21 p.m. No one else was injured.

"While we don’t know all of the details of what happened tonight, this is a tragedy,” Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said during an early morning news conference at the hospital. “Rest assured we will find out exactly what happened here and see what we can learn from it so it can never happen again.”

The shooting is likely to raise questions again about departmental procedures involving communications among plainclothes officers — particularly those in different units — as well as issues of race. Officer Edwards was black; the officer who shot him was white.

I wonder how Officer Carl McLaughlin felt when he heard that a black cop, doing what a cop is supposed to do, got shot and killed for his trouble. actually I don't wonder, I know.

And I will tell you something else I know, even in 2002, even as he was saying what you quoted, he didn't agree with you.

 

[ZiprHead]

HEATHER MAC DONALD
The Black Cops You Never Hear About
Why doesn’t the press ask these guys if the police are racist?
Summer 2002

Ask Detective Carl McLaughlin if the police prey on black people, and this normally ebullient Brooklyn cop will respond icily: “I just prey on people that are preying on others. It shouldn’t be a race thing.”

You realize, of course, that this is VERY different from saying "The police just prey on people that are preying on others. It isnt a race thing."

you get that, right? Because you're a fair-minded, intellectually honest, observant individual.

Hah! Yeah, good luck with that.

 

[EPresence2]

You realize, of course, that this is VERY different from saying "The police just prey on people that are preying on others. It isnt a race thing."

you get that, right? Because you're a fair-minded, intellectually honest, observant individual.

Hah! Yeah, good luck with that.

Who doesn't get that really?