BLM, ALM, and your friends

[marc]

 

[Politesse]

Catchy, but I don't agree. Pride in heterosexuality, appeals to common humanity that conspicuously avoided specific mentions of certain groups, idealized masculinity at the expense of women, and celebration of white history all definitely existed. What changed is that until those resistance movements came into being, we just called all of those things "social studies" and "history". Because the marginalization of gays, women, blacks, and so forth was assumed, rather than stated outright. To this day, many people become outraged when history of non-whites is included in a history curriculum, or a female actor is cast in the principal role of a video game or film, or they see a gay on the TV who isn't acting like a minstrel. They don't think they're asking for something new, they just want things to go back to the "way things used to be". Where history meant white history without ever having to clarify that only Europeans were invited to the show, where appeals "the Common Man" only supposedly meant all of humanity, where "relationships" and "romance" exclusively referred to heterosexual relationships, where references to the virtues of the "virile" or machismo were always to go unquestioned.

 

[Derec]

Last week an acquaintance in my town made a post on facebook about All Lives Matter. Discussion ensued. A few of us posted why we think there’s a valid reason ALM is not appropriate to say unless you really do NOT think Black Lives are part of the All Lives. Others posted about how she was right and BLM is divisive and only ALM is appropriate. Others posted on how she was being racist and awful and they were going to stop posting with her.

That's pretty ridiculous. All includes black.

Also, "Black Lives Matter" is not simply the statement that black lives matter (note the lower case!) but a specific movement that glorifies thugs like Michael Brown, Mario Woods and Rayshard Brooks. It is hardly innocuous. Instead, it is insidious and we see the full force of this insidiousness with the push to "defund and disband police" by #BLM activists.

So anyway, today - about a week later - she changed her profile picture to be encircled by a BLM logo.

Sigh. Completely WRONG reaction.

Hooray.

Nope.

Apparently, even though some were overboard in both directions, the whole picture somehow gave her useful information that she decided was enough to change her perspective. It’s a little thing - one white woman - but it was uplifting nevertheless.

Not so much uplifting as exasperating. #BLM is NOT about racial equality or racial harmony. It's an anti-police, pro-thug (as long as they have the correct skin color of course) radical movement.

 

[Derec]

But I think that to emphasize ALM over BLM today is to firstly demonstrate poor timing, inability to listen to current events,

It is a refusal to kowtow to the increasingly intolerant Left.

and possibly not understanding how Black Americans are uniquely discriminated against in our society.

Except they are not.

 

[laughing dog]

#BLM is NOT about racial equality or racial harmony. It's an anti-police, pro-thug (as long as they have the correct skin color of course) radical movement.

That is really delusional. Please try to get a grip on reality.

 

[Derec]

You don't think that there is greater discrimination against African Americans?

Ask that of a white or Asian student trying to get into a top college or a medical school.

 

[Derec]

That is really delusional.

It is not. #BLM became nationally known when they started rioting over the justified killing of convenience store robber Michael Brown. They also denounced police as "racist murderers" whenever they shoot a black thug when when armed (for example Vonderritt Myers or Patrick Kimmons).

Please try to get a grip on reality.

You are the one that needs to do this.

 

[laughing dog]

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To be fair, until there was
a Black History Month, every month was white history month.,
feminism, men had the power to create, defend or change any rights they wanted to,
Gay Pride, straight pride was the defacto pride.

 

[laughing dog]

That is really delusional.

It is not. #BLM became nationally known when they started rioting over the justified killing of convenience store robber Michael Brown.

Your ignorance is showing. BLM was a movement before Michael Brown (it started with Trayvon Martin). Before that, BLM was (and still is for the most part) local chapters, concentrating on tragedies in their area.

You are the one that needs to do this.

I'm not the one posting counterfactual and delusional rants.

 

[Derec]

Such as?

Calling people "racist" if they disagree with any aspect of the received faith on race.

 

[Derec]

Your ignorance is showing. BLM was a movement before Michael Brown (it started with Trayvon Martin).

Your inability to comprehend the written word is showing. #BLM might have technically existed before Michael Brown robbed that store and attacked Wilson, but it was not nationally known. I wrote that "#BLM became nationally known when they started rioting over the justified killing of convenience store robber Michael Brown", not that it started then.

Do try to keep up. I know it is difficult for you.

Before that, BLM was (and still is for the most part) local chapters, concentrating on tragedies in their area.

Tragedies mostly of the "victims'" own making.

I'm not the one posting counterfactual and delusional rants.

That's exactly what you are. Deal with it!

 

[Derec]

To be fair, until there was
a Black History Month, every month was white history month.,
feminism, men had the power to create, defend or change any rights they wanted to,
Gay Pride, straight pride was the defacto pride.

Bullshit!

 

[laughing dog]

Your inability to comprehend the written word is showing. #BLM might have technically existed before Michael Brown robbed that store and attacked Wilson, but it was not nationally known. I wrote that "#BLM became nationally known when they started rioting over the justified killing of convenience store robber Michael Brown", not that it started then.

Prove it.

Tragedies mostly of the "victims'" own making.

More delusion.

That's exactly what you are. Deal with it!

"No u r" is pathetic. Get a real grip.

 

[laughing dog]

To be fair, until there was
a Black History Month, every month was white history month.,
feminism, men had the power to create, defend or change any rights they wanted to,
Gay Pride, straight pride was the defacto pride.

Bullshit!

More delusion.

 

[Politesse]

Such as?

Calling people "racist" if they disagree with any aspect of the received faith on race.

Perhaps you could provide an example of where Rhea has done this. I for one am extremely skeptical.

 

[Politesse]

To be fair, until there was
a Black History Month, every month was white history month.,
feminism, men had the power to create, defend or change any rights they wanted to,
Gay Pride, straight pride was the defacto pride.

Bullshit!

What elements of Black History were covered in standard school curricula prior to the Civil Rights movement? Which professional historians specialized in understanding and publishing on the topic?

What elements of gay history and culture are covered even now?

 

[Derec]

What elements of Black History were covered in standard school curricula prior to the Civil Rights movement?

Do you have any evidence that the answer is "none"?
In any case, current iterations of "black history month" are really embarrassing, with month long competition to bring obscure historical persons into the spotlight as well as push questionable at best "facts" about George Washington Carver or that guy who supposedly invented the elevator.

What elements of gay history and culture are covered even now?

Stonewall riots?

But the whole idea of "black history" or "gay history" is the wrong approach altogether. We should not be balkanizing US history like that. It is all parts of an intertwined whole and should be taught as such.

 

[Derec]

Perhaps you could provide an example of where Rhea has done this. I for one am extremely skeptical.

That statement wasn't directed at Rhea specifically but at the entire Zeitgeist, especially since the death of George Floyd.

 

[Derec]

Prove it.

I just did. I quoted the sentence I wrote, thus proving you failed to understand it.

As to how well known #BLM was before Michael Brown, here is the Google Trends timeline for the term "Black Lives Matter".
Nothing registered until second half of 2014, when that "Gentle Giant" robbed the store.

 

[Politesse]

What elements of Black History were covered in standard school curricula prior to the Civil Rights movement?

Do you have any evidence that the answer is "none"?
In any case, current iterations of "black history month" are really embarrassing, with month long competition to bring obscure historical persons into the spotlight as well as push questionable at best "facts" about George Washington Carver or that guy who supposedly invented the elevator.

What elements of gay history and culture are covered even now?

Stonewall riots?

But the whole idea of "black history" or "gay history" is the wrong approach altogether. We should not be balkanizing US history like that. It is all parts of an intertwined whole and should be taught as such.

Oh? What textbook covers the Stonewall riots?

I agree that history should be taught as an integrated whole. There's no reason black history month can't be a part of that integrated whole, though, unless you're phenomenally bad at teaching. It would definitely better if black history was simply taught to begin with, as part of the dominant narrative, but it obviously is not, and definitely was not at the time when Black History Month was originally proposed.