BLM cofounder: "We are trained Marxists"

[Bomb#20]

I guess the point is that BLM does not care about black lives. It does not care about police misconduct. It is a front to push Marxist politics.

And what, in your opinion, are "marxist politics?" Does Marxist politics not care about the exploited classes? Does it not want to curb the exploiters?
I thought that was one of its main points.

You say that as though "want to curb the exploiters" and "care about the exploited classes" are one and the same thing. They're two entirely different things.

"Last spring, after several years of “battery charging,” as she calls it, Baez was back in the headlines and frontlines as the “Madonna of the Movement.” After her many years of protest against the Vietnam War, she was attacking what Weis once considered a victim of that war—the Hanoi government. In a $52,000 advertisement printed in The New York Times, Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, San Francisco Examiner and Los Angeles Times, she— and 84 co-signers—wrote: “With tragic irony, the cruelty, violence and oppression practised by foreign powers in your country for more than a century continue today under the present regime.”

As in the past, Baez drew sharp criticism for the ad—but this time it came from some of her old anti-war allies. Jane Fonda refused to sign, saying she couldn’t back up Baez’s charges.Chicago Seven lawyer William Künstler said: “I don’t believe in criticizing socialist governments publicly even if there are human rights violations.” Ten years ago, conservatives charged that Baez was a Soviet agent. Now she was accused of working for the CIA. “If I am, I sure hope they pay me better than the KGB has all these years,” she quipped."

https://archive.macleans.ca/article/1979/11/26/baez-gives-voice-to-cambodias-horrors

 

[BH]

Question. Why do many people defend the supposed victims of communist purges and assume they were innocent? Maybe a lot of them were doing things they shouldn't have been and punishment was deserved.

 

[BH]

I very been thinking about all these protests and the racism still around. Perhaps Lincoln and Johnson made a big mistake at the end of the civil war. They should have been like Stalin and purged the leaders and plantation owners of the south and anyone else who actively tried to oppose civil rights and equal rights. If they had we may not be still dealing with the problems we are today.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Question. Why do many people defend the supposed victims of communist purges and assume they were innocent? Maybe a lot of them were doing things they shouldn't have been and punishment was deserved.

It really depends on your perspective. If you are a liberal and value all people with your differing opinions and freedom; you must abhor the communist purges. But of course communists and other like minded people who only survive by brutal force cannot tolerate differing opinions.

 

[BH]

Mr. Bosch,

I have heard this before and the communists could say the same thing about people who are pro capitalists. Bottom line is that we are not in full control of our environment. We are all responsible for our feelings and choices and attitudes. If a communist finds himself in a capitalist society he has to make mental and emotional adjustments to survive. If he tried to revolt and install communism when no one else would help he simply will be purges by law enforcement or the capitalists. Someone who is in a communist society but would rather be in a capitalist one is in the same boat. It is up to that person to make the changes mentally and emotionally to adjust to the situation he or she finds themselves in so as to survive and prosper as best they can. If someone openly tried to revolt, give aid to an invader or simply tried to destroy the system then they would deserve the fate the society chose to give them.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Mr. Bosch,

I have heard this before and the communists could say the same thing about people who are pro capitalists. Bottom line is that we are not in full control of our environment. We are all responsible for our feelings and choices and attitudes. If a communist finds himself in a capitalist society he has to make mental and emotional adjustments to survive. If he tried to revolt and install communism when no one else would help he simply will be purges by law enforcement or the capitalists. Someone who is in a communist society but would rather be in a capitalist one is in the same boat. It is up to that person to make the changes mentally and emotionally to adjust to the situation he or she finds themselves in so as to survive and prosper as best they can. If someone openly tried to revolt, give aid to an invader or simply tried to destroy the system then they would deserve the fate the society chose to give them.

No so. There is no need in our society to throw communists into a gulag. We arn't threatened by communists in the least. You are free to practice it. There are no communists in jail for the practice of believing communism today. Communism is such a miserable system that free people will not choose it long term.

 

[BH]

Dear sir,

Please reread my post. I said if the communist try to revolt and install communism he would be destroyed. This would most certainly happen since he lacked the power and backing to make the revolt succeed He would be jailed or killed.

The same thing applies for a pro capitalist in a communist society. If he or she were to revolt and the consensus was against him or her that person would be destroyed.

The world does not work the way we want it to. People have to adjust themselves to the reality they find themselves in to survive.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Dear sir,

Please reread my post. I said if the communist try to revolt and install communism he would be destroyed. This would most certainly happen since he lacked the power and backing to make the revolt succeed He would be jailed or killed.

The same thing applies for a pro capitalist in a communist society. If he or she were to revolt and the consensus was against him or her that person would be destroyed.

The world does not work the way we want it to. People have to adjust themselves to the reality they find themselves in to survive.

I'm not following you. Again, you can operate an office that is devoted to a communist party in the US. We are not threatened by that. Just follow the law. There's nothing in the law that outlaws a communist running for office. Probable some have been elected in the past. It's just such a miserable system that few choose it voluntarily. But fuck yea, if the communist tries to assassinate his opposition, that individual will be in jail.

However, we're getting a little off track. Would you not agree that there would be massive evidence if the 40 million people killed by Mao were armed revolutionaries?

 

[atrib]

There is room for everyone to coexist in this country, and everyone is free to hold and voice their own opinions.

If you voice any opinion critical of "Black Lives Matter" you may lose your job.

Marxism has always been a totalitarian ideology, not tolerant of diverging opinions.

As I said, there is room for all opinions to coexist in this country. This includes Marxists, racists, misogynists, homophobes, and even Muslims (gasp!). That is what makes this country strong, the idea that people are free to hold and talk about beliefs freely without fear of reprisal. You, for example, are allowed to voice your prejudiced views about black people and smear the names of black people killed unjustly by the police and vigilantes without fear of reprisal, although, I suspect some of your posts would rise to the legal standard for slander. You can do that because the Constitution gives you that right.

 

[Derec]

As I said, there is room for all opinions to coexist in this country. This includes Marxists, racists, misogynists, homophobes, and even Muslims (gasp!). That is what makes this country strong, the idea that people are free to hold and talk about beliefs freely without fear of reprisal.

Except that if you express criticism of the Marxist #BLM movement or if you ridicule people like George Floyd you open yourself up to reprisals.

You, for example, are allowed to voice your prejudiced views about black people

Bullshit. I do not have any prejudiced views about black people.

and smear the names of black people killed unjustly by the police and vigilantes without fear of reprisal,

Posting somebody's criminal history is not "smearing" them, and if I was posting that info under my real name, I could be subject to reprisals. People have lost jobs for posting under their real names. That is a reprisal even if it's not by government.

although, I suspect some of your posts would rise to the legal standard for slander.

They would not. For one, slander is spoken, not written and second, the truth is defense against an accusation of defamation.

You can do that because the Constitution gives you that right.

The constitution only protects you from reprisal by the government, not by non-governmental entities.