#BLM find themselves another dindu: Mario Woods, 26, gangbanger

[laughing dog]

Translation: you dindu nuffin

Translation: you are still bitching about one word used in the OP rather than saying anything about the actual topic of the OP.

To be fair, the OP meanders around, so the topic might be hard to discern amidst the invective and fear in it. For example, you seem to take offense that family members and acquaintances who are interviewed have fond memories of the shooting victim (as if that is uncommon or unnatural). Is that the OP topic? Or is that you disapprove of who the BLM is "championing"? For some reason, you seem unable to fathom that people of any race have the right (and perhaps the responsibility) to question the police shooting of anyone.

I notice you rarely (as in never) start threads about white supremacists, white racists or violent white thugs. So what exactly about the BLM frightens you so much that you post so frequently about it?

 

[KeepTalking]

I said cause celebre.
That said, it is telling that this thread has been chiefly about whining and bellyaching about using certain words like "thug" or "dindu"

If you had not used such a term in the thread title, no one would be taking you to task about using such a term in the thread title. You invited such criticism upon yourself. Anyone using such barely concealed racists dog whistles invites such criticism, and should not be whining and bellyaching when called on it. They should own up to their words and the implications of those words.

I would also like to add that, in this case, you are calling him a dindu because an entirely unrelated individual, who was recording the incident on his cell phone said that Woods "didn't do nothing", and from that person's perspective the observation is factually correct (if not grammatically correct). The crime that Woods committed happened 6 blocks away, and the knife he was carrying was likely not visible to the person recording. Woods was, in fact, trying to walk away from the officers when he was shot.

 

[RavenSky]

Translation: you dindu nuffin

Translation: you are still bitching about one word used in the OP rather than saying anything about the actual topic of the OP.

YOU made this thread all about your repeated use of those words by yet again using them to describe a black male. Even your subject header: "#BLM find themselves another dindu: Mario Woods, 26, gangbanger"

Even your OP is nothing except denigrating another dead black male.

You start out with:

Literally, in the second video a guy (who shot the video?) can be heard saying that "he didn't do shit".
Now, is that true? Of course not!

and then go on a typical Derec rant about stuff Mario allegedly did IN THE PAST. Even by your own words, Mario had served his time. What happened last year or even last week has nothing to do with whether he was doing anything IN THAT MOMENT to warrant being shot and killed by police.

Face it, Derec - we all see right through your bullshit. YOU made this thread all about your choice of words and long standing practice of bringing up unrelated shit to justify yet another black male, so don't blame us for calling you on it. You didn't give us anything else to discuss.

 

[repoman]

We should start to focus this thread on the details of the death of Woods. The dindu term is a bit of a distraction and whatever your opinion about is it has been played out enough in this thread.

It seems to me that the police training was not so good. Shouldn't the police announce they are going to fire a nonlethal round each time to prevent contagious fire which is a very good possibility here? How much different does a beanbag round sound than a bullet round? Does a cop have enough time to process that without the reflexes kicking in?

Also, why did the cop go in front of Woods? Are they supposed to close the distance to force a confrontation? And how lucky is that cop for not getting hit as well?

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There is another incident at Miami Beach: look at this video of a guy getting hit with a taser and immediately with a bullet. No announcement of the taser here as well.
There is some good policing to start with when one cop is reminding them to "watch the crossfire".

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0b3_1449356177

This final video is in colombia and shows some amazing work:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=597_1449025270

go to 2:40 to see it.

 

[Derec]

To be fair, the OP meanders around, so the topic might be hard to discern amidst the invective and fear in it.

How does it "meander"?

For example, you seem to take offense that family members and acquaintances who are interviewed have fond memories of the shooting victim (as if that is uncommon or unnatural). Is that the OP topic?

The topic is yet another dindu whom BLMers are embracing despite the fact that he was a gang banger, stabbed somebody and the police did everything they could to not have to shoot him.
As far as people having "fond memories" how are memories that woman had of Mario as a middle schooler even remotely relevant? Let along so relevant to put "total sweetheart" in the headline? That was an obvious attempt to manipulate readers in this thug's favor.

Or is that you disapprove of who the BLM is "championing"? For some reason, you seem unable to fathom that people of any race have the right (and perhaps the responsibility) to question the police shooting of anyone.

Questioning is one thing. Deciding without (and even despite) evidence that it was "murder", "execution" etc. and protesting and demanding resignations based on this ill founded certainty is quite another. Yes, people of any race have the right to be ignorant idiots. And I have the right to call them out on it.

I notice you rarely (as in never) start threads about white supremacists, white racists or violent white thugs.

That's what Athena and you are for. Besides, white thugs don't get support from white people at large. Black thugs often do. White supremacists are shunned by vast majority of whites. Not so with black supremacists like Louis Farrakhan and the rest of his Nation of Islam creeps. There is a definite double standard here.

So what exactly about the BLM frightens you so much that you post so frequently about it?

They are ignorant, idiotic and racist. That should be enough.

Oh and speaking of dindus, here's another one: Ronald Johnson, who was fleeing police with a gun in his hands.
No charges against Chicago police officer who shot Ronald Johnson

Johnson's mother, Dorothy Holmes, who earlier said she had seen the video, has said that it proved her son was murdered. She and her attorney have pushed for the video's release.
They continue to insist that Johnson was not armed.
After Alvarez and McCarthy gave their account, in a separate news conference attorney Michael Oppenheimer accused them of presenting an "infomercial" full of information, but none that conclusively demonstrated that Hernandez was justified in shooting Johnson.
Oppenheimer laughed when a reporter asked about Alvarez's contention that Johnson was a threat because he was heading into a public park. It was after midnight, he noted, dismissing the notion that anyone would be in the park.
The attorney continued to drive home his central argument: "You can see no gun," he said. "There is no gun visible in Ronald Johnson's hand, because there was none."

Yeah, right!

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Apparently "Dindu" is the latest racial slur. Or the lowest-frequency dog whistle ever invented.

 

[Derec]

Apparently "Dindu" is the latest racial slur. Or the lowest-frequency dog whistle ever invented.

Or maybe you are suffering from racial tinnitus.

 

[laughing dog]

The topic is yet another dindu whom BLMers are embracing despite the fact that he was a gang banger, stabbed somebody and the police did everything they could to not have to shoot him.

You have not established the police did everything they could to avoid shooting him.

As far as people having "fond memories" how are memories that woman had of Mario as a middle schooler even remotely relevant? Let along so relevant to put "total sweetheart" in the headline? That was an obvious attempt to manipulate readers in this thug's favor.

It is common practice when people remember dead people.

Questioning is one thing. Deciding without (and even despite) evidence that it was "murder", "execution" etc. and protesting and demanding resignations based on this ill founded certainty is quite another. Yes, people of any race have the right to be ignorant idiots. And I have the right to call them out on it.

As do the posters in this forum have the right to point out the overwhelming irony of your observation.

I notice you rarely (as in never) start threads about white supremacists, white racists or violent white thugs.

That's what Athena and you are for. Besides, white thugs don't get support from white people at large. Black thugs often do. White supremacists are shunned by vast majority of whites. Not so with black supremacists like Louis Farrakhan and the rest of his Nation of Islam creeps. There is a definite double standard here.

I assert my right to point out the irony in your response.

They are ignorant, idiotic and racist. That should be enough.

Yet another example of overwhelming irony.

Oh and speaking of dindus, here's another one: Ronald Johnson, who was fleeing police with a gun in his hands.
No charges against Chicago police officer who shot Ronald Johnson

Johnson's mother, Dorothy Holmes, who earlier said she had seen the video, has said that it proved her son was murdered. She and her attorney have pushed for the video's release.
They continue to insist that Johnson was not armed.
After Alvarez and McCarthy gave their account, in a separate news conference attorney Michael Oppenheimer accused them of presenting an "infomercial" full of information, but none that conclusively demonstrated that Hernandez was justified in shooting Johnson.
Oppenheimer laughed when a reporter asked about Alvarez's contention that Johnson was a threat because he was heading into a public park. It was after midnight, he noted, dismissing the notion that anyone would be in the park.
The attorney continued to drive home his central argument: "You can see no gun," he said. "There is no gun visible in Ronald Johnson's hand, because there was none."

Yeah, right!

Wow, you really cannot help yourself.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Apparently "Dindu" is the latest racial slur. Or the lowest-frequency dog whistle ever invented.

Or maybe you are suffering from racial tinnitus.

When I hear this label regularly applied to white people I'll change my tune.

 

[Derec]

It seems to me that the police training was not so good. Shouldn't the police announce they are going to fire a nonlethal round each time to prevent contagious fire which is a very good possibility here? How much different does a beanbag round sound than a bullet round? Does a cop have enough time to process that without the reflexes kicking in?

I do not think there was any "contagious fire" here. They tried non-lethal beanbags, then when that did not work they resorted to lethal fire. Note that the video does not show the incident from the beginning.

Also, why did the cop go in front of Woods?

Presumably to prevent him from leaving.

Are they supposed to close the distance to force a confrontation? And how lucky is that cop for not getting hit as well?

I don't know what tactics they are taught. But even if they did not proceed in a textbook manner that still doesn't make it an unjustified shooting, let alone "murder" and "execution".

 

[Derec]

You have not established the police did everything they could to avoid shooting him.

Where in the law does it say that the police are required to do everything they could to avoid shooting the perp? Specifically, there is no requirement that police must put themselves in undue danger just to avoid shooting and armed and dangerous suspect.

It is common practice when people remember dead people.

What is common practice? For media to write "total sweetheart" in the headline?

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When I hear this label regularly applied to white people I'll change my tune.

Unfortunately it is part of a certain segment of the black culture to automatically and almost instinctively defend any black person, no matter what they did.

 

[laughing dog]

Where in the law does it say that the police are required to do everything they could to avoid shooting the perp? Specifically, there is no requirement that police must put themselves in undue danger just to avoid shooting and armed and dangerous suspect.

You're the one who made the claim, not me. One interpretation of your response is that is an admission you were simply spouting nonsense.

What is common practice? For media to write "total sweetheart" in the headline?

I find it hard to believe that anyone is really this obtuse. It is common practice for people to focus on fond memories of the newly departed. It is common practice for newspapers to quote such memories regardless of their relevance to any situation.

Unfortunately it is part of a certain segment of the black culture to automatically and almost instinctively defend any black person, no matter what they did.

There is a part of certain segment of white culture to automatically and almost instinctively attack the character of any black person, no matter what they did or did not do.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Unfortunately it is part of a certain segment of the black culture to automatically and almost instinctively defend any black person, no matter what they did.

There is a part of certain segment of white culture to automatically and almost instinctively attack the character of any black person, no matter what they did or did not do.

And these things are surprising?

 

[Derec]

YOU made this thread all about your repeated use of those words by yet again using them to describe a black male. Even your subject header: "#BLM find themselves another dindu: Mario Woods, 26, gangbanger"

The important thing is that he is a violent criminal. That he was black matters only insofar as that if he was white he would not be defended.

Even your OP is nothing except denigrating another dead black male.

It's a response to BLM types defending him just because he is black.
If a white thug named Mario stabbed somebody and then got himself shot by police because he would not drop the knife nobody outside SF would know of the incident. But because he happened to be black BLMers automatically took up his cause with protests, demands of resignation etc.

and then go on a typical Derec rant about stuff Mario allegedly did IN THE PAST.

Not allegedly. He was duly convicted of the crimes he committed.

Even by your own words, Mario had served his time.

He didn't. He was released on parole which means he didn't fully serve his time.

What happened last year or even last week has nothing to do with whether he was doing anything IN THAT MOMENT to warrant being shot and killed by police.

Of course it has everything to do with it. If arrested Mario faced going back to prison not only to serve the remained of his original sentence but also stand trial for the recent stabbing. That likely influenced his choice to not drop his knife and surrender to the police even after being hit with bean bags. So Mario's killing might well have been a case of suicide by cop.

Face it, Derec - we all see right through your bullshit. YOU made this thread all about your choice of words and long standing practice of bringing up unrelated shit to justify yet another black male, so don't blame us for calling you on it. You didn't give us anything else to discuss.

Face it Raven Sky, I see right through your and BLM bullshit.

 

[untermensche]

Some people are born in hard circumstances.

And as a result many become hardened by it.

That is no excuse for police to commit crimes against these people.

 

[Derec]

I find it hard to believe that anyone is really this obtuse. It is common practice for people to focus on fond memories of the newly departed. It is common practice for newspapers to quote such memories regardless of their relevance to any situation.

The guy was a gang banger who stabbed somebody shortly before being killed by police. Yet the newspaper chooses to go with the "total sweetheart" headline that describes a memory of him from the fucking middle school. To say that this is nit

There is a part of certain segment of white culture to automatically and almost instinctively attack the character of any black person, no matter what they did or did not do.

Nonsense. People like Mario Woods, Jamar Clark, Michael Brown did plenty. Facts are not on their side and giving factual information about what they did is perfectly reasonable. Claiming that they 'did not do' the things they did is the problem here.

 

[Derec]

Some people are born in hard circumstances.
And as a result many become hardened by it.

That is no excuse for police to commit crimes against these people.

I agree. I do not agree however, that the police committed any crimes against Sub Mario.

 

[untermensche]

That is no excuse for police to commit crimes against these people.

I agree. I do not agree however, that the police committed any crimes against Sub Mario.

Based on what?

The testimony of the people who killed him?

You do understand that lethal force is to only be used as a last resort?

Not as a way to end conflicts quickly.

 

[Derec]

Based on what?

Evidence.

The testimony of the people who killed him?

Among other things. Including the fact that he was armed with a knife and would not drop it. Based on the fact that he had just committed a violent crime with the same knife. Also based on his previous history of violent crime. None of these things are disputed.

You do understand that lethal force is to only be used as a last resort?

They already tried non-lethal means like bean bags. They did not use tasers because the department is banned from using them (blame the politicians, not the cops). I do not think police should risk their lives or serious injury by engaging in hand-to-hand combat with a thug armed with a knife. So I would say lethal force was used as a last resort.

Not as a way to end conflicts quickly.

This conflict wasn't ended quickly. Again, remember that they used bean bags on him before they resorted to live fire. The cell phone footage starts in medias res and does not capture the whole incident.

 

[untermensche]

Among other things. Including the fact that he was armed with a knife and would not drop it. Based on the fact that he had just committed a violent crime with the same knife. Also based on his previous history of violent crime. None of these things are disputed.

That does not in any way justify killing him.

Please try to offer some kind of moral justification.

People holding knives are a danger, but not a lethal danger to people standing beyond arms length.