You have no evidence he was a Nazi. You have no evidence he was trying to run people over - which the video shows he clearly was not. Stop apologizing for these BLM fascists.
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You have no evidence he was a Nazi. You have no evidence he was trying to run people over - which the video shows he clearly was not. Stop apologizing for these BLM fascists.
It's hard to tell exactly what happened but it looks like he was probably acting in self defense. Protesters push it too far and someone acts to save their own skin and the protesters retaliate. Sorry, but if a mob is attacking you and you run over part of the mob it doesn't matter if they were directly attacking you or not--the mob is treated as a unit, a threat by one is a threat by all.
(And note that this means if you're in a protest and see violence happening get away ASAP!)
Arctish
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There is a lot more to this story:
Portland protesters beat driver unconscious after crashing truck near Black Lives Matter rally
So, two intoxicated people have a fight, one of them leaves while the guy in the white truck drinks a lot more, then he gets into an argument with some other people and pulls out a hatchet (?!) and racial slurs are shouted, then the second intoxicated person returns and maybe is robbed, then they both leave but the guy in the truck maybe tries to run over some people or maybe he's endangering pedestrians because he's so damn drunk, but he might also be being chased by a crowd ever since he left the 7-11 or perhaps only after he almost ran over some people, which he says he wasn't trying to do, and then he was attacked when he got out of the truck.
That's quite a chain of events, none of which the thread title describes.
Portland protesters beat driver unconscious after crashing truck near Black Lives Matter rally
OregonLive said:
So, two intoxicated people have a fight, one of them leaves while the guy in the white truck drinks a lot more, then he gets into an argument with some other people and pulls out a hatchet (?!) and racial slurs are shouted, then the second intoxicated person returns and maybe is robbed, then they both leave but the guy in the truck maybe tries to run over some people or maybe he's endangering pedestrians because he's so damn drunk, but he might also be being chased by a crowd ever since he left the 7-11 or perhaps only after he almost ran over some people, which he says he wasn't trying to do, and then he was attacked when he got out of the truck.
That's quite a chain of events, none of which the thread title describes.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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The original white mobs who are worshipped by the Tea Party had no justifications in a lot of persons attacked. This is called mob mentality. I'm not justifying any of it, just pointing out bias.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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As far as Trausti's claim that I have no evidence, if you watch the video, the guy who kicks him in the head says something like "that'll teach you to try to run people over." You can also read Arctish's article. That's witness testimony even if I wouldn't kick the guy in the head...unless it was my family he messed with. Let me ask you. If a Nazi (or apparently a Reich wing drunk) tried to run over your family or your personal friends, might you lose your shit? Can we not understand a mistake by some individual, a wrong response, an emotional overreaction? Should we only have empathy for white people? Because he's black, should we imagine a thug or can we fit it into a vigilante or mob paradigm?
I can understand if I got mad at someone trying to kill my family. And I might feel bad afterward if my rage went too far. How about you? Would you rage? Would you feel bad afterward?
I can understand if I got mad at someone trying to kill my family. And I might feel bad afterward if my rage went too far. How about you? Would you rage? Would you feel bad afterward?
repoman
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Was the guy who kicked him around before when he was involved with trying to help the trans(?) person who had the backpack stolen?
That does not scream a neo nazi type.
That does not scream a neo nazi type.
Arctish
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While turning vigilante isn't excusable, the desire to beat the crap out someone you believe had tried to kill your friends or family would certainly be understandable.
If I saw a truck swerving toward pedestrians a block from a BLM protest, my first thought would probably be about what happened at Charlottesville. I don't think I would kick the guy in the head after the truck was stopped but I might kick him in the ass. I would definitely be using harsh language.
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ruby sparks
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Based on what I've seen so far, I'd say the attackers look like they were being very aggressive and threatening generally. It does not seem that the transgender woman did much wrong for example, but still got badly beaten up and robbed. Also, the same black man who kicked the man in the OP can, I think, be seen earlier hounding and threatening another, different white person, a pedestrian, who was crossing the street. It looked to me like some people were looking for someone to attack. There was also the blond-haired woman who was attacked (perhaps she was a friend of the OP victim). It looks like elements of the crowd were being more than a bit nasty. We can also see some elements of the crowd trying to stop the attackers and protect those being attacked.
ruby sparks
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He might nonetheless have been deliberately trying to run people down, earlier or later, or at least driving dangerously (perhaps while drunk), and he may have pulled a hatchet at some point and used racial slurs. But we don't know yet. But I think we can say that other people were also attacked, apparently for no good reason that we can see yet. So for that reason, I'd prefer to hold fire on saying things like 'him being beaten unconscious and left in the middle of the road was understandable if...' which I actually think is a bit off in any case. And the whataboutism isn't impressive either, imo.
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So do people think harping on the "transgender" identity of the person allegedly being helped is supposed to make BLM seem hypocritical or something? Because they haven't been referred to any other way in any of the opinion pieces I've seen. Incidentally, the polite way to refer to a transgendered woman in casual conversation, unless her medical past is somehow relevant to the conversation, is simply "a woman", not "a transgendered woman". It's a minor thing, but it annoys me more every time it happens. If you want credit for helping trans people, start with common courtesy.
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Which, of course, no one has said.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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I don't think what the white guy was actually doing before the incident is the whole point of the mental exercise.
In civil society we give up our right to dish out justice in a state of nature to the courts. Whereas back to complete chaos or mob mentality, people jump the gun. We expect they make decisions less accurately than a court with rules of evidence and a right to competent defense.
Civil society is at least purported to be better than chaos and mob mentality, but when the very thing you are rebelling against--the criminal justice system--doesn't work for you, your mob is naturally going to be worse than that thing. Unfortunately.
Examine the mobs of revolutionary America...attacking police...attacking civilians...destroying property. Or more recently look at all the violence in Hong Kong protests.
You will hear right wingers honoring law enforcement and condoning violence against civilians, except in the case of Hong Kong and the British colonies. Here they condone violence against law enforcement.
To be clear, I favor civil society and Reason. I favor non-violent protest. I am just pointing out that the demands placed on the people protesting-demands that there is never any violence is a higher standard than is being worshipped by Tea Partiers.
In fact, recently in my facebook feed there was fake news with an image of an antifa guy holding a UN flag in Seattle. The image was photoshopped. Still, there were right wingers calling for the guy's murder. And I've seen on facebook for the last few years advocacy of running through BLM protests with cars. This was before the current times.
Aside from the individual kicking the guy in the head facing arrest and court, we also need criminal justice reform, an end to the pandemic, and boatloads more empathy and unity.
In civil society we give up our right to dish out justice in a state of nature to the courts. Whereas back to complete chaos or mob mentality, people jump the gun. We expect they make decisions less accurately than a court with rules of evidence and a right to competent defense.
Civil society is at least purported to be better than chaos and mob mentality, but when the very thing you are rebelling against--the criminal justice system--doesn't work for you, your mob is naturally going to be worse than that thing. Unfortunately.
Examine the mobs of revolutionary America...attacking police...attacking civilians...destroying property. Or more recently look at all the violence in Hong Kong protests.
You will hear right wingers honoring law enforcement and condoning violence against civilians, except in the case of Hong Kong and the British colonies. Here they condone violence against law enforcement.
To be clear, I favor civil society and Reason. I favor non-violent protest. I am just pointing out that the demands placed on the people protesting-demands that there is never any violence is a higher standard than is being worshipped by Tea Partiers.
In fact, recently in my facebook feed there was fake news with an image of an antifa guy holding a UN flag in Seattle. The image was photoshopped. Still, there were right wingers calling for the guy's murder. And I've seen on facebook for the last few years advocacy of running through BLM protests with cars. This was before the current times.
Aside from the individual kicking the guy in the head facing arrest and court, we also need criminal justice reform, an end to the pandemic, and boatloads more empathy and unity.
repoman
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the ascribing of organizational connections to people is getting out of hand.
Is the attacker "in" BLM? What does that even mean? What does a BLM "connection" mean when the attack is so late at night and the general population of rally goers have gone home to sleep?
On the other hand, some of the speeches earlier at local rallies were very incendiary.
It is a big mess.
Is the attacker "in" BLM? What does that even mean? What does a BLM "connection" mean when the attack is so late at night and the general population of rally goers have gone home to sleep?
On the other hand, some of the speeches earlier at local rallies were very incendiary.
It is a big mess.
ruby sparks
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BLM organisers in Portland have disowned the attackers and unequivocally denounced the attacks (with fewer apologetics than some here) and say the several attackers in this case are just violent hangers-on that bring BLM into disrepute. Which is very possibly true. As far as I can see, most BLM activities are peaceful, and it would not surprise me in the slightest if some people use them as nominal cover for violence like this. But yes, some of the speeches and chanting can be incendiary.
No doubt that many who support BLM are good-intentioned. But it gives cover for lots of bad behavior.
Yeah. They try to pretend it's just incendiary speech but otherwise peaceful. The problem comes when there's some sort of provocation, sometimes that incendiary speech causes people to step over the line. All it takes is one person in the mob going after the occupants of the car for the reasonable fear for one's life threshold to be crossed and now the peaceful people in the mob feel the driver was trying to run them over when in reality it's the mob that's in the wrong.
ruby sparks
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ruby sparks
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In some cases, yes. In others, the police, for example, can be too heavy-handed.
In this case, we don't know the full story yet.
laughing dog
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Good thing no one taught that asshole how to drive - there would have been more injuries.