Brainwashing of Theists - 2 - What about our LIVING loved ones?

[Ramaraksha]

From time to time I have stumbled on a "Journalist" interviewing Religious heads, either on TV or in print
and ALL the time the questions are the same, recycled over and over
How happy will we be in Heaven?
How wonderful will Heaven be?
What is it like?
Will we see all our DEAD loved ones again?
Of course, such questions have NEVER been asked before
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But NONE will ask about the fate of our LIVING loves ones
When a bread-winner dies, it is quite easy to realize that his/her family will suffer
There are plenty of stories of homeless families living in shelters, families living in cars etc
One that i personally experienced was when I was waiting for the bus in on a cold December night
A young lady approached me looking for a hand-out, I gave her some and we got to talking
I was curious how she ended up this way
She tells me that she had a very happy childhood
A Father who doted on her, mother a bit distant but still a happy, care-free childhood - full of dreams, aspirations fueled &
encouraged by her father
Then tragedy struck - her doting father died
Some time later, the mother starts dating again, but this new boyfriend was different
You can guess what happened - the mother did not intervene, looked the other way
This young innocent child now ended up in the streets
And the father? Is he enjoying Heaven? Living it up? Care no more for his loved ones on earth?
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Sure there are plenty of sad stories like this
In the famous movie - "It's a Wonderful Life" what if George Bailey had committed suicide
Maybe God forgives him - why not? We are all sinners anyway, what is one more sin? And George ends up in Heaven
Meanwhile his family is rendered homeless, his childrens' futures destroyed, living in a shelter, going to bed hungry
His wife might turn to prostitution to make ends meet, put food on the table
And George is living it up in Heaven?
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And so we ask, why do these "Journalists" not ask about the fate of our LIVING loved ones?
And you can easily see why
What exactly can a Religious head say? That we become heartless? We care no more?
Not a good look is it?
And so the "Journalist" does not ask!
Amazing that in the 21st century, the media covers up for religion
Shields them from legitimate criticism and doubt
Sometimes I pinch myself - am I really living in the 21st century?
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And why ask the same questions over and over?
That IS how fantasies work - the more questions, the more asking for DETAILS, fantasies fall apart
And so questions must be limited to just a few, the ones religious heads are comfortable answering
And so this media complies
I keep saying this is a Christian/Islamic media

 

[pood]

I keep saying this is a Christian/Islamic media

Which media do you keep speaking of? India’s? Obviously not — it’s mainly Hindu.

The U.S. media? Then your claim is also empirically false.

Bear in mind that talking-head celebrities like Oprah are not members of the news media.

 

[steve_bank]

Sounds like Rama has an axe to grind of some kind.

Over here in the news reporting on issues of 'the living' is almost overwhelming, it never ends.

The plight of those in need are well covered. Discussion on poverty, health care, cost of living, education and medical care and what to do about it are daily.

Little of what he posts on these threads has anything to do with religion.

I suggest future threads of his go over to philosophy, politics, , and moral issues forums.

 

[Ramaraksha]

Sounds like Rama has an axe to grind of some kind.

Over here in the news reporting on issues of 'the living' is almost overwhelming, it never ends.

The plight of those in need are well covered. Discussion on poverty, health care, cost of living, education and medical care and what to do about it are daily.

Little of what he posts on these threads has anything to do with religion.

I suggest future threads of his go over to philosophy, politics, , and moral issues forums.

"Sounds like Rama has an axe to grind of some kind." Please do not get personal
I am talking about Heaven - living in Heaven
Why is it that every "Journalist", follower asks about meeting our DEAD loved ones in Heaven but not one enquires about our
LVING loved ones?
Because it makes the followers uncomfortable, doesn't it?
Living it up in Heaven while loved ones are suffering - not a good look is it?
So George Bailey, if he had followed thru, is say in Heaven - does he not care what happens to his family?
Is George Bailey enjoying Heaven while his family is homeless, kids going to bed hungry?
What if there is a war? His loved ones under threat of rape, torture?
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We see sports stars, after winning a game, pointing to the sky and saying "my loved ones are looking down
and are smiling"
So how are they feeling when bad things happen?
Car accidents, job losses, health issues?
Being in Heaven means we care no more?

 

[pood]

Sounds like Rama has an axe to grind of some kind.

Over here in the news reporting on issues of 'the living' is almost overwhelming, it never ends.

The plight of those in need are well covered. Discussion on poverty, health care, cost of living, education and medical care and what to do about it are daily.

Little of what he posts on these threads has anything to do with religion.

I suggest future threads of his go over to philosophy, politics, , and moral issues forums.

"Sounds like Rama has an axe to grind of some kind." Please do not get personal
I am talking about Heaven - living in Heaven
Why is it that every "Journalist", follower asks about meeting our DEAD loved ones in Heaven but not one enquires about our
LVING loved ones?

Because the titanic majority of actual journalists don’t ask about meeting our DEAD loved ones in heaven, and because the vast majority DO inquire about LIVING loved ones, your question is meaningless.

 

[Ramaraksha]

Because the titanic majority of actual journalists don’t ask about meeting our DEAD loved ones in heaven, and because the vast majority DO inquire about LIVING loved ones, your question is meaningless.

The point of the question was - How does one feel about living the good life in Heaven while our living loved ones are suffering?
Our country at war, friends, elderly people fighting to save our country as we see happening in Ukraine
Heaven as they say if a place full of joy & happiness
Can we really be happy when we see our loved ones going thru hard times?
And do we just wring our hands and cry or can we do something about it? Like come back and work to make the
world a better place? But then that would mean Reincarnation! Saying Reincarnation is a good idea!
That won't work, will it?
The answer is obvious - we care no more! That's the only way to enjoy Heaven

 

[pood]

Because the titanic majority of actual journalists don’t ask about meeting our DEAD loved ones in heaven, and because the vast majority DO inquire about LIVING loved ones, your question is meaningless.

The point of the question was - How does one feel about living the good life in Heaven while our living loved ones are suffering?
Our country at war, friends, elderly people fighting to save our country as we see happening in Ukraine
Heaven as they say if a place full of joy & happiness
Can we really be happy when we see our loved ones going thru hard times?
And do we just wring our hands and cry or can we do something about it? Like come back and work to make the
world a better place? But then that would mean Reincarnation! Saying Reincarnation is a good idea!
That won't work, will it?
The answer is obvious - we care no more! That's the only way to enjoy Heaven

What does any of this have to do with your inaccurate claim about journalists?

 

[Ramaraksha]

Because the titanic majority of actual journalists don’t ask about meeting our DEAD loved ones in heaven, and because the vast majority DO inquire about LIVING loved ones, your question is meaningless.

The point of the question was - How does one feel about living the good life in Heaven while our living loved ones are suffering?
Our country at war, friends, elderly people fighting to save our country as we see happening in Ukraine
Heaven as they say if a place full of joy & happiness
Can we really be happy when we see our loved ones going thru hard times?
And do we just wring our hands and cry or can we do something about it? Like come back and work to make the
world a better place? But then that would mean Reincarnation! Saying Reincarnation is a good idea!
That won't work, will it?
The answer is obvious - we care no more! That's the only way to enjoy Heaven

What does any of this have to do with your inaccurate claim about journalists?

I am not sure where you are getting your information from but the interviews that I have seen and read
"Journalists" do not enquire about the concern for our LIVING loved ones, but I have seen and read
them asking about whether we will meet all our DEAD loved ones
And the reason is obvious as I stated
.
You say my information is inaccurate - do you have any links that show Journalists/followers enquiring about
the welfare of their living loved ones once they are in Heaven? Please share

 

[pood]

Because the titanic majority of actual journalists don’t ask about meeting our DEAD loved ones in heaven, and because the vast majority DO inquire about LIVING loved ones, your question is meaningless.

The point of the question was - How does one feel about living the good life in Heaven while our living loved ones are suffering?
Our country at war, friends, elderly people fighting to save our country as we see happening in Ukraine
Heaven as they say if a place full of joy & happiness
Can we really be happy when we see our loved ones going thru hard times?
And do we just wring our hands and cry or can we do something about it? Like come back and work to make the
world a better place? But then that would mean Reincarnation! Saying Reincarnation is a good idea!
That won't work, will it?
The answer is obvious - we care no more! That's the only way to enjoy Heaven

What does any of this have to do with your inaccurate claim about journalists?

I am not sure where you are getting your information from but the interviews that I have seen and read
"Journalists" do not enquire about the concern for our LIVING loved ones, but I have seen and read
them asking about whether we will meet all our DEAD loved ones
And the reason is obvious as I stated
.
You say my information is inaccurate - do you have any links that show Journalists/followers enquiring about
the welfare of their living loved ones once they are in Heaven? Please share

How about you share where journalists have fawned over religion and asked about how wonderful life will be in heaven? If you see various talking heads and celebrities doing this on TV, they are not JOURNALISTS. You live in Chicago? Why don’t you pick up a copy of the Tribune or the Sun-Times sometimes and read through it and tell me about what you see? I can guarantee you it will be all about the living, their welfare, politics, government, social security and just about anything else you can image dealing with living people and the here and now.

 

[pood]

Here is today’s front page of the Chicago Tribune. What do you see there? Anything about softball questions about religion? Anything about religion at all?

 

[Elixir]

Sounds like Rama has an axe to grind of some kind.

YA THINK?
The futility of telling people what they already know in such a plaintive tone, is simultaneously funny and heart wrenching.
Like poor Rama wants us to DO SOMETHING about it.
I can sympathize; I’d like something done about the evils visited upon humanity by religions as much as anyone. But I’m not gonna immolate myself, literally or figuratively.

 

[Elixir]

Here is today’s front page of the Chicago Tribune. What do you see there? Anything about softball questions about religion? Anything about religion at all?

Well THERE’s five minutes I’ll never get back!
No.
I scrolled all the way down, pages and pages.
No God, no religion. No questions about either.
There is an article about softball though - things are warming up in Chicago.

 

[Ramaraksha]

How about you share where journalists have fawned over religion and asked about how wonderful life will be in heaven? If you see various talking heads and celebrities doing this on TV, they are not JOURNALISTS. You live in Chicago? Why don’t you pick up a copy of the Tribune or the Sun-Times sometimes and read through it and tell me about what you see? I can guarantee you it will be all about the living, their welfare, politics, government, social security and just about anything else you can image dealing with living people and the here and now.

Oh God! We are not connecting
it's not like we don't discuss life here on earth - that is silly - of course we do that
What I am saying is once these followers get to Heaven - why is it that they only ask about meeting their DEAD loved ones?
Why don't they ask - Now we are in Heaven, great, joy & everything
But how can we be happy knowing our loved ones are suffering on earth?
How can we be in Heaven, enjoying the good life while my children are going to bed hungry?
My wife is struggling to put food on the table - may turn to prostitution to make ends meet
My country is at war - millions are suffering and I am supposed to be enjoying the good life in Heaven?
Not one person asks such a question

 

[Ramaraksha]

Sounds like Rama has an axe to grind of some kind.

YA THINK?
The futility of telling people what they already know in such a plaintive tone, is simultaneously funny and heart wrenching.
Like poor Rama wants us to DO SOMETHING about it.
I can sympathize; I’d like something done about the evils visited upon humanity by religions as much as anyone. But I’m not gonna immolate myself, literally or figuratively.

Well I am not you - You be you, and I will be myself
And I am curious, I ask questions, I wonder - I don't consider myself an expert on everything - I am not a know-it-all
thank God

 

[pood]

How about you share where journalists have fawned over religion and asked about how wonderful life will be in heaven? If you see various talking heads and celebrities doing this on TV, they are not JOURNALISTS. You live in Chicago? Why don’t you pick up a copy of the Tribune or the Sun-Times sometimes and read through it and tell me about what you see? I can guarantee you it will be all about the living, their welfare, politics, government, social security and just about anything else you can image dealing with living people and the here and now.

Oh God! We are not connecting
it's not like we don't discuss life here on earth - that is silly - of course we do that
What I am saying is once these followers get to Heaven - why is it that they only ask about meeting their DEAD loved ones?
Why don't they ask - Now we are in Heaven, great, joy & everything
But how can we be happy knowing our loved ones are suffering on earth?
How can we be in Heaven, enjoying the good life while my children are going to bed hungry?
My wife is struggling to put food on the table - may turn to prostitution to make ends meet

We are not connecting BECAUSE YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

You made a cliam — that journalists are always posing softball questions about religion. I am asking you to BACK UP YOUR CLAIM.

My country is at war - millions are suffering and I am supposed to be enjoying the good life in Heaven?
Not one person asks such a question

Not one person asks such a question? Only YOU, huh? This is a whole BOARD full of people who ask such questions, and so do countless people around the world,

 

[pood]

How can we be in Heaven, enjoying the good life while my children are going to bed hungry?

Ivan Karamazov asked this very question more than 150 years ago, and said that absent a justification for the suffering of children, he “returned his ticket to heaven.” Untold numbers of people have asked and do ask the same question. Your self-importance is remarkable.

 

[Elixir]

Your self-importance is remarkable.

Just Rama being Rama.

Why don't they ask - Now we are in Heaven, great, joy & everything
But how can we be happy knowing our loved ones are suffering on earth?

They forget all about those suckers and losers. They are in HEAVEN!! It’s pure joy, and fun in the sun. They sing and play harps. No dirges! Who wants to toil and suffer for a lifetime, pay tithes, give alms and end up on cloud nine, WORRYING?
That ain’t heaven, boss!
You’ll see… if you don’t end up in the Lake-O-FAHR !!!

 

[Ramaraksha]

How about you share where journalists have fawned over religion and asked about how wonderful life will be in heaven? If you see various talking heads and celebrities doing this on TV, they are not JOURNALISTS. You live in Chicago? Why don’t you pick up a copy of the Tribune or the Sun-Times sometimes and read through it and tell me about what you see? I can guarantee you it will be all about the living, their welfare, politics, government, social security and just about anything else you can image dealing with living people and the here and now.

Oh God! We are not connecting
it's not like we don't discuss life here on earth - that is silly - of course we do that
What I am saying is once these followers get to Heaven - why is it that they only ask about meeting their DEAD loved ones?
Why don't they ask - Now we are in Heaven, great, joy & everything
But how can we be happy knowing our loved ones are suffering on earth?
How can we be in Heaven, enjoying the good life while my children are going to bed hungry?
My wife is struggling to put food on the table - may turn to prostitution to make ends meet
My country is at war - millions are suffering and I am supposed to be enjoying the good life in Heaven?
Not one person asks such a question

Honestly, did you guys not pause to think? An adult does not read the news you think or watch CNN? BTW no one reads newspapers anymore - today we get our news from the internet
Can you and Elixer pause a bit and think things thru before you guys post?
This is why I say hate kills brain cells
It is obvious now that it has become a who-is-posting rather than reading & understanding what is being posted
I thought I was entering an Adult forum where I could freely discuss my ideas, instead I am back in high school!

 

[Ramaraksha]

How can we be in Heaven, enjoying the good life while my children are going to bed hungry?

Ivan Karamazov asked this very question more than 150 years ago, and said that absent a justification for the suffering of children, he “returned his ticket to heaven.” Untold numbers of people have asked and do ask the same question. Your self-importance is remarkable.

So we got off the train of "he is not reading any news" now? can you admit that you didn't understand what I posted?
Again - can you please stop and THINK for a second before posting?
What I am asking why Journalists are not asking, why followers are not asking
Of course there are others like myself who wonder about the same thing - I am not alone
"Untold numbers of people have asked and do ask the same question" That's just a cheap statement - back it up if you can
Not just one name
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God, and can you please give your snippy personal comments a rest please?
We are not in high school - please be the Adult that you are?
If you have a comment, just write it - no need to add a snarky personal comment

 

[pood]

How about you share where journalists have fawned over religion and asked about how wonderful life will be in heaven? If you see various talking heads and celebrities doing this on TV, they are not JOURNALISTS. You live in Chicago? Why don’t you pick up a copy of the Tribune or the Sun-Times sometimes and read through it and tell me about what you see? I can guarantee you it will be all about the living, their welfare, politics, government, social security and just about anything else you can image dealing with living people and the here and now.

Oh God! We are not connecting
it's not like we don't discuss life here on earth - that is silly - of course we do that
What I am saying is once these followers get to Heaven - why is it that they only ask about meeting their DEAD loved ones?
Why don't they ask - Now we are in Heaven, great, joy & everything
But how can we be happy knowing our loved ones are suffering on earth?
How can we be in Heaven, enjoying the good life while my children are going to bed hungry?
My wife is struggling to put food on the table - may turn to prostitution to make ends meet
My country is at war - millions are suffering and I am supposed to be enjoying the good life in Heaven?
Not one person asks such a question

Honestly, did you guys not pause to think?

Mirror

An adult does not read the news you think or watch CNN? BTW no one reads newspapers anymore - today we get our news from the internet

Irrelevant. Please support your claim that journalists are always tossing softball questions about religion. Specific cites, please.

Can you and Elixer pause a bit and think things thru before you guys post?

Mirror.

This is why I say hate kills brain cells

Mirror.

It is obvious now that it has become a who-is-posting rather than reading & understanding what is being posted
I thought I was entering an Adult forum where I could freely discuss my ideas, instead I am back in high school!

No, you are in big-boy school where you are always challenged to support your claims, such as your daft claims about journalism and religion and your even more daft claims about humans and dogs.