Buddhist Scriptures: the Sun will become a red giant

[humbleman]

nunbleman

Long term sun activity and orbital variations and wobble are long known to effect climate. That does not infer seeing planets whiz by. Such an event would be catastrophic. That pesky Newtonian gravity you are so fond of.

There was a long standing puzzle on how early humans got from south to north in Africa. The desert would have been uncrossible. Fairly recently caves were discovered with drawings showing animals, water, and vegetation. It is beloved the desert has been periodically wet due to orbital variations and wobble.

Lets give credit to what you have said, for the benefit of a better understanding.

The last huge earthquake in Chile caused the tilt of earth to move just a little bit. If this little change will cause different climate changes in many places, it is too early to say,but since this earthquake, not necessarily as the cause, rivers all around the world have overflow in raining season, and more.

https://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/03/02/chile.quake/index.html

The massive earthquake that struck Chile on Saturday may have shifted Earth's axis and created shorter days, scientists at NASA say.

Here a better link

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/earth-20100301.html

The Feb. 27 magnitude 8.8 earthquake in Chile may have shortened the length of each Earth day.

JPL research scientist Richard Gross computed how Earth's rotation should have changed as a result of the Feb. 27 quake. Using a complex model, he and fellow scientists came up with a preliminary calculation that the quake should have shortened the length of an Earth day by about 1.26 microseconds (a microsecond is one millionth of a second).

Well, I personally think that this earthquake might have caused the moving of earth tilt, not only because the 8.8 intensity but because the location of its center.

You must justify a tropical Greenland moving North and become a cold area with an earthquake several times greater than the Chilean earthquake or an outstanding fast motion of plates, or... consider that such change on earth was caused by the close passing by of a celestial body. Frozen mammoths found with chewed food in their mouths wasn't an event happening thru millions of years.

As far as it is known, the ancient people said that events changing eras were caused by a celestial body.

What do you think?

Make your calculations, find your seismic headquarter, and check again your point of view.

 

[humbleman]

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... Now, materials on Earth that have been unchanged for millennia are being studied to indicate the history of Earth's climate. Though they are consistent with the Milankovitch hypothesis, there are still several observations that the hypothesis does not explain.

Mere hypothesis.

Next?

So what if it doesn't explain everything? It explains enough to be considered well-established by the mainstream of the scientific community.

Cyclostratigraphy and the Astronomical Time Scale by Linda Hinnov and James Ogg (2007) -- a rather technical introduction to this subject.

Did you really have read your link?

When another "theory" was used to corroborate the first, then you have "The View" with Whoopi Goldberg and other old women talking trash all morning.

Do you think the layers of earth will change colors because planet Mercury passes by close to our planet one day in the future?

What are you smoking?

 

[humbleman]

What many religious books say about the past full with mysterious creatures and big changes on earth and cosmos, it is mostly because something spectacular indeed happened, not necessarily the exact description but for sure something motivated the writer to make notorious the rare event.

 

[steve_bank]

humbleman

'In ancient times, when the solar system was getting in order, those civilizations witnessed planets passing close to earth, several changes caused people to take those celestial bodies as gods and made human sacrifices to calm "their fury".'

Support your assertion with evidence, if not the White House is hiring.

 

[lpetrich]

The last huge earthquake in Chile caused the tilt of earth to move just a little bit. ...

From the article you quoted, the change in the Earth's spin period was about 1.26 microseconds, about 1.46*10^(-11) of a day. Whatever axial tilt that it might have caused has likely had very similar size, about (1 - 2) * 10^(-11) radians or (1 - 2) * 10^(-9) degrees. Too tiny to notice.

You must justify a tropical Greenland

Citation needed.

... Frozen mammoths found with chewed food in their mouths wasn't an event happening thru millions of years.

Woolly Mammoths: Evidence of Catastrophe?

How old are the frozen mammoth remains from Siberia? They fall into two main groups, one dating from about 45,000 BP to 30,000 BP and the other from 14,000 to 11,000 BP. This does not mean that mammoths were not present in Siberia from 30,000 BP to 14,000 BP. Instead, this indicates the climatic conditions were not right for the formation of frozen carcasses. There are plenty of fossil bones of mammoths from 30,000 to 14,000 BP. This was a period of massive glacial advance, resulting in extremely dry conditions in Siberia. In these dry conditions, mammoth carcasses would tend to rot on the surface and/or be eaten by predators. In times of glacial retreat, when the climate was moister, summer mudflows and floods could rapidly cover carcasses. These covered carcasses would then become permanently frozen as the permafrost layer closed in above them during the following winter.

As far as it is known, the ancient people said that events changing eras were caused by a celestial body.

Citation needed.

So what if it doesn't explain everything? It explains enough to be considered well-established by the mainstream of the scientific community.

Cyclostratigraphy and the Astronomical Time Scale by Linda Hinnov and James Ogg (2007) -- a rather technical introduction to this subject.

Did you really have read your link?

I did, and that's why I recommended it.

 

[humbleman]

humbleman

'In ancient times, when the solar system was getting in order, those civilizations witnessed planets passing close to earth, several changes caused people to take those celestial bodies as gods and made human sacrifices to calm "their fury".'

Support your assertion with evidence, if not the White House is hiring.

With you naked eyes look at planet Venus. Do the same with planet Mars.

You are a regular dude without astronomy knowledge and even so, you were capable to distinguish planet Venus and planet Mars, planet Jupiter, Known about Mercury, Talk about Saturn, and mention even Pluto.

You built temples for Jupiter, Mars, Venus, and you worship those planets, to which you called them "gods".

You were afraid of them and to calm their fury you made sacrifices, including human sacrifices.

Why were you so afraid of those brilliant points of light at night which confuse themselves with the farther away stars?

Are you afraid of a lion when the animal is miles away from you or when the animal is a few yards from you?

The ancient were religious people, yes, but they weren't idiots. They knew why they were afraid of those planets.

 

[humbleman]

I did, and that's why I recommended it.

The most known rare story heard everywhere is the missing sock after you wash and dry your clothes.

You, by believing in that link where a theory asserts its foundations on other theories, is why you truly believe the stories about ghosts by supporting them with the theory of the missing sock. Lol.

 

[lpetrich]

Support your assertion with evidence, if not the White House is hiring.

With you naked eyes look at planet Venus. Do the same with planet Mars.

humbleman, have you yourself ever done so?

I have, and they look like bright stars. That's why Venus has been called the Morning Star and the Evening Star.

You are a regular dude without astronomy knowledge and even so, you were capable to distinguish planet Venus and planet Mars, planet Jupiter, Known about Mercury, Talk about Saturn, and mention even Pluto.

Pluto??? Its existence was completely unknown before 1930, when it was discovered. To premodern people, these planets looked like bright stars that move against the "fixed stars", as they were once called.

You built temples for Jupiter, Mars, Venus, and you worship those planets, to which you called them "gods".

How was that supposed to be the case?

 

[Sarpedon]

This is fucking ridiculous. The ancient people believed the planets were gods and were afraid of them because they used to be a lot closer? That's stupid talk. Instead, they simply recognized that they were different than stars, and identified them with the gods they already believed in. They feared the gods, not the planets named after them. Normal people don't really notice or fear the planets. That only happens when you get a priestly class who can spend time looking at the stars and bamboozling people with their superior knowledge.

If Jupiter was much closer to Mars, it would have torn Mars up.

What force is acting on the planets that would have changed their orbit so quickly?

 

[humbleman]

This is fucking ridiculous. The ancient people believed the planets were gods and were afraid of them because they used to be a lot closer? That's stupid talk. Instead, they simply recognized that they were different than stars, and identified them with the gods they already believed in. They feared the gods, not the planets named after them. Normal people don't really notice or fear the planets. That only happens when you get a priestly class who can spend time looking at the stars and bamboozling people with their superior knowledge.

Sure, You miss the legends saying Mars and Venus were the size of the earth. How did they know? Imagination? Forget it, they weren't relativists with pure imagery events, they saw them closer than today.

Saturn eating his children can be this planet pulling small moons against itself.

You have nothing to guarantee that the current orbit of the planets have been the same for millions of years. Nothing but calculations made in base of a theory. No facts, no evidence, but a theory which has not been validated by the same reason: no evidence.

If Jupiter was much closer to Mars, it would have torn Mars up.

How do you know? Have you seen a similar scenario to be compared with? What is your evidence? Calculations? Oh come one!

What force is acting on the planets that would have changed their orbit so quickly?

Any planet, rogue planet passing by in our solar system can disturb it. This is like adding an electron from one atom into another.

In such a microscopic scale, the acquired electron will disturb the other electrons and will occupy a place between them orbiting around the nucleus.

 

[lpetrich]

Sure, You miss the legends saying Mars and Venus were the size of the earth. How did they know? Imagination? Forget it, they weren't relativists with pure imagery events, they saw them closer than today.

WHAT legends? Quote chapter and verse.

Saturn eating his children can be this planet pulling small moons against itself.

Don't make me laugh.

You have nothing to guarantee that the current orbit of the planets have been the same for millions of years. Nothing but calculations made in base of a theory. No facts, no evidence, but a theory which has not been validated by the same reason: no evidence.

PNAS Plus: Orbital forcing of climate 1.4 billion years ago -- Evidence of Milankovitch cycles all the way back then.

 

[Sarpedon]

How do I know? The effects of tidal forces on earth are well documented. It is only matter of yes, calculations to generalize it. In addition to that, there's the fact that there's the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, and the fact that Jupiter perturbs the asteroids is well documented. So yes, a similar scenerio.

You speak contemptuously of calculations, but what do I care for your ignorance?

Finally, mythology. I have studied mythology my whole life, from Europe, from the Middle East, from China, from India, from Africa, from North America, from Polynesia, and I have never read any that said the planets used to be bigger. Virtually every ancient piece of literature extolls the heavens for being 'unchanging' 'eternal.' I have no idea of what lousy website you are parroting, but if you want us to take this nonsense of yours seriously, you must tell us your source.

 

[Sarpedon]

How close are we talking about?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This is fucking ridiculous. The ancient people believed the planets were gods and were afraid of them because they used to be a lot closer? That's stupid talk. Instead, they simply recognized that they were different than stars, and identified them with the gods they already believed in. They feared the gods, not the planets named after them. Normal people don't really notice or fear the planets. That only happens when you get a priestly class who can spend time looking at the stars and bamboozling people with their superior knowledge.

If Jupiter was much closer to Mars, it would have torn Mars up.

What force is acting on the planets that would have changed their orbit so quickly?

The first story of creation in the Tanakh gives the power of overseeing the earth to the Sun and Moon. This is evidence suggesting that these two objects were the predominate celestial objects in the sky. The idea that the planets were bobbing around the Earth is ridiculous.

 

[bilby]

This is fucking ridiculous. The ancient people believed the planets were gods and were afraid of them because they used to be a lot closer? That's stupid talk. Instead, they simply recognized that they were different than stars, and identified them with the gods they already believed in. They feared the gods, not the planets named after them. Normal people don't really notice or fear the planets. That only happens when you get a priestly class who can spend time looking at the stars and bamboozling people with their superior knowledge.

If Jupiter was much closer to Mars, it would have torn Mars up.

What force is acting on the planets that would have changed their orbit so quickly?

The first story of creation in the Tanakh gives the power of overseeing the earth to the Sun and Moon. This is evidence suggesting that these two objects were the predominate celestial objects in the sky. The idea that the planets were bobbing around the Earth is ridiculous.

I am always impressed by the way these divinely inspired ancient texts refer to the sun and the moon, giving these two bodies particular importance, because after all, they are of similar size - and are the only celestial objects to appear as much more than mere points of light.

Not one of these Gods nor his divinely ordained scribes thought to mention that they are actually very differently sized objects, at very different distances from Earth; Nor even that the moon shines only with light reflected from the sun.

The various ancient civilisations were keenly interested but the cycle of lunar phases; but all of the Gods forgot to explain their cause.

It's almost as though the Gods had no better understanding of the universe they had created than did the superstitious and ignorant people of the time.

 

[humbleman]

How do I know? The effects of tidal forces on earth are well documented. It is only matter of yes, calculations to generalize it. In addition to that, there's the fact that there's the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, and the fact that Jupiter perturbs the asteroids is well documented. So yes, a similar scenerio.

You speak contemptuously of calculations, but what do I care for your ignorance?

Finally, mythology. I have studied mythology my whole life, from Europe, from the Middle East, from China, from India, from Africa, from North America, from Polynesia, and I have never read any that said the planets used to be bigger. Virtually every ancient piece of literature extolls the heavens for being 'unchanging' 'eternal.' I have no idea of what lousy website you are parroting, but if you want us to take this nonsense of yours seriously, you must tell us your source.

Your book inventory is very short. This is why you never read about it.

Try books from a library, not Marvel magazines from the street vendor stand.

 

[humbleman]

This is fucking ridiculous. The ancient people believed the planets were gods and were afraid of them because they used to be a lot closer? That's stupid talk. Instead, they simply recognized that they were different than stars, and identified them with the gods they already believed in. They feared the gods, not the planets named after them. Normal people don't really notice or fear the planets. That only happens when you get a priestly class who can spend time looking at the stars and bamboozling people with their superior knowledge.

If Jupiter was much closer to Mars, it would have torn Mars up.

What force is acting on the planets that would have changed their orbit so quickly?

The first story of creation in the Tanakh gives the power of overseeing the earth to the Sun and Moon. This is evidence suggesting that these two objects were the predominate celestial objects in the sky. The idea that the planets were bobbing around the Earth is ridiculous.

You poor reading comprehension is notorious. Those two objects were mentioned for helping man to invent the measure called time. For this reason it says to use them for knowing the seasons.

 

[humbleman]

This is fucking ridiculous. The ancient people believed the planets were gods and were afraid of them because they used to be a lot closer? That's stupid talk. Instead, they simply recognized that they were different than stars, and identified them with the gods they already believed in. They feared the gods, not the planets named after them. Normal people don't really notice or fear the planets. That only happens when you get a priestly class who can spend time looking at the stars and bamboozling people with their superior knowledge.

If Jupiter was much closer to Mars, it would have torn Mars up.

What force is acting on the planets that would have changed their orbit so quickly?

The first story of creation in the Tanakh gives the power of overseeing the earth to the Sun and Moon. This is evidence suggesting that these two objects were the predominate celestial objects in the sky. The idea that the planets were bobbing around the Earth is ridiculous.

I am always impressed by the way these divinely inspired ancient texts refer to the sun and the moon, giving these two bodies particular importance, because after all, they are of similar size - and are the only celestial objects to appear as much more than mere points of light.

Not one of these Gods nor his divinely ordained scribes thought to mention that they are actually very differently sized objects, at very different distances from Earth; Nor even that the moon shines only with light reflected from the sun.

The various ancient civilisations were keenly interested but the cycle of lunar phases; but all of the Gods forgot to explain their cause.

It's almost as though the Gods had no better understanding of the universe they had created than did the superstitious and ignorant people of the time.

The bible and religions of other cultures are not about teaching science.

 

[humbleman]

WHAT legends? Quote chapter and verse.


Don't make me laugh.

You have nothing to guarantee that the current orbit of the planets have been the same for millions of years. Nothing but calculations made in base of a theory. No facts, no evidence, but a theory which has not been validated by the same reason: no evidence.

PNAS Plus: Orbital forcing of climate 1.4 billion years ago -- Evidence of Milankovitch cycles all the way back then.

you have nothing at all to validate those 1.4 million years and have the nerve to come here and contradict me with such a nonsense?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This is fucking ridiculous. The ancient people believed the planets were gods and were afraid of them because they used to be a lot closer? That's stupid talk. Instead, they simply recognized that they were different than stars, and identified them with the gods they already believed in. They feared the gods, not the planets named after them. Normal people don't really notice or fear the planets. That only happens when you get a priestly class who can spend time looking at the stars and bamboozling people with their superior knowledge.

If Jupiter was much closer to Mars, it would have torn Mars up.

What force is acting on the planets that would have changed their orbit so quickly?

The first story of creation in the Tanakh gives the power of overseeing the earth to the Sun and Moon. This is evidence suggesting that these two objects were the predominate celestial objects in the sky. The idea that the planets were bobbing around the Earth is ridiculous.

You poor reading comprehension is notorious. Those two objects were mentioned for helping man to invent the measure called time. For this reason it says to use them for knowing the seasons.

Umm, the story doesn’t say that. It says the sun and moon are to have dominion over the Earth.