Can a Libertarian win over the working class?

[SimpleDon]

Okay, another question about bakers.

A gay black baker owns a bakery. In walk a couple, both wearing neo-Nazi outfits, asking for a wedding cake for their Aryan wedding.

Should this gay black baker be allowed to refuse to serve Nazis?

My answer? Is it a wedding cake that the gay black baker normally bakes? If so, then yes - gay black baker cannot refuse to bake the cake for the customer any more than the neo-nazi baker can refuse to bake a cake for the gay black couple.

What your nazi couple cannot do is demand that the baker bake a cake in a shape that is not a normal part of the baker's product, or provide a product that is not a normal part of the baker's products. This is what the stupid-ass in the midwest tried with his failed "gotcha" games, and what several people on this board can't seem to get the nuance of:

If the baker bakes cakes, the baker cannot refuse to bake that cake for any customer, no matter what the customer's color, religion, race, ethnic background, ideology, chosen hair color, nipple piercings or head covering is.

On the flip-side, if the baker does not bake cakes (maybe only bakes pies or cookies), then no customer can demand said baker must bake them a cake.

In reality, though, being a neo-nazi is not a federally protected class due to a history of being discriminated against, so they might have a hard time pursuing their claim. It would depend on the wording of the municipal laws.

I think that the problem that our libertarians have with the question of discrimination against homosexuals is twofold ...

They believe that homosexuality is a choice, like neo-nazism. Why else would they equate being gay with neo-nazism? While there are libertarians who argue that people should be free to refuse to serve customers because of the customers' race, religion, sex, etc., I don't see that argument here, in the last fifteen pages that I just read.

And two, they believe that without government intervention commercial transactions would be subject to some natural laws. And that there is no reason to waste time and effort trying to predict what those natural laws are and exactly how they will operate. That "natural" is always better and that is good enough for them.

 

[repoman]