Can you be spiritual without being religious?

[Keith&Co.]

I showed what spirituality and religiosity was. You do not want to accept my definitions so I do not know where you want to go now.

No, well, i don't accept your definition because it's not something that has any relevance in the language we're talking in. You could maybe explain why you think religion needs other people, or find some definition of religiosity that supports your pretense to authority, or you can pretend your illiteracy is, in fact, my problem.
i see you've chosen the latter.

Your hermit can be spiritual but needs a tribe to be tribal which is what a religion gives him.

See, i as'ed 'Why?' and you just make the bald assertion once more, with no explanation.
And ignoring the actual use and definition of the words you're tossing around.
And, like, religion =/= religiosity.

For someone who says he knows 3 languages, you're really bad in this one...

 

[Jobar]

 

[Juma]

Can you be spiritual without being religious?

Spirituality might be exemplified by this quote.
John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

One can practice spirituality alone. One cannot practice religiosity without a group/tribe.

Religiosity, I would define roughly, as promoting an organized or local church/temple/tribe etc.

Spirituality ignores our tribal instincts. Our religiosity demand that we cater to our tribal/fellowship needs.

If you are spiritually minded and have a working moral system that you think is the best, I think that you should want to share it and have others follow it. To share it should have you join a church or religion so as to promote your good thinking.

Does a spiritual mind, if truly spiritual, have to join a religion, even if not morally up to your standard, in order to share your view and perhaps help that religion rise up to your better standard of excellence?

If you answer yes to that question, is that why spiritually minded atheists and others now forming atheist churches or churches that take a more secular role within society?

Regards
DL

i rather wonder: can you be spiritual without being a nutcase?

 

[steve_bank]

Sex can be a spiritual experience....

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I showed what spirituality and religiosity was. You do not want to accept my definitions so I do not know where you want to go now.

No, well, i don't accept your definition because it's not something that has any relevance in the language we're talking in. You could maybe explain why you think religion needs other people, or find some definition of religiosity that supports your pretense to authority, or you can pretend your illiteracy is, in fact, my problem.
i see you've chosen the latter.

Your hermit can be spiritual but needs a tribe to be tribal which is what a religion gives him.

See, i as'ed 'Why?' and you just make the bald assertion once more, with no explanation.
And ignoring the actual use and definition of the words you're tossing around.
And, like, religion =/= religiosity.

For someone who says he knows 3 languages, you're really bad in this one...

So the answer to my question was nowhere.

Till next time buddy.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Sex can be a spiritual experience....

I think I can agree with this. It certainly has an effect on the psyche.

It does not quite go with the quote in the O.P. but you might have found an exemption to that rule.

Regards
DL

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Can you be spiritual without being religious?

Spirituality might be exemplified by this quote.
John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

One can practice spirituality alone. One cannot practice religiosity without a group/tribe.

Religiosity, I would define roughly, as promoting an organized or local church/temple/tribe etc.

Spirituality ignores our tribal instincts. Our religiosity demand that we cater to our tribal/fellowship needs.

If you are spiritually minded and have a working moral system that you think is the best, I think that you should want to share it and have others follow it. To share it should have you join a church or religion so as to promote your good thinking.

Does a spiritual mind, if truly spiritual, have to join a religion, even if not morally up to your standard, in order to share your view and perhaps help that religion rise up to your better standard of excellence?

If you answer yes to that question, is that why spiritually minded atheists and others now forming atheist churches or churches that take a more secular role within society?

Regards
DL

i rather wonder: can you be spiritual without being a nutcase?

Yes.

I nutcases fit better in the revealed supernaturally based religions.

Why do you ask? Are you looking to see where you fit?

Regards
DL

 

[bilby]

Religious: Believing nonsense made up by someone else
Spiritual: Believing nonsense you made up yourself

You can be one, or the other, or even both. But neither is particularly laudable.

 

[steve_bank]

I take spiritual to mean pursuits other than worldly materialism and immersion in sensuality and self gratification. Hedonism as exemplified by Hugh Hefner would be the opposite of spirituality.

It doesn't mean sex for example is inherently bad, it is the emphasis in life and a belief in a greater experience than gross materialism. Being perfectly happy without the need for material things.

Religious faith in no way implies spirituality.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I take spiritual to mean pursuits other than worldly materialism and immersion in sensuality and self gratification. Hedonism as exemplified by Hugh Hefner would be the opposite of spirituality.

It doesn't mean sex for example is inherently bad, it is the emphasis in life and a belief in a greater experience than gross materialism. Being perfectly happy without the need for material things.

Religious faith in no way implies spirituality.

So a minimalist is spiritual? But these pastors who swim in money are also spiritual, correct? So spiritualism obviously has nothing to do with materialism, at least in practice.

Ghosts are spirits, so I assume ghosts are spiritual. So being spiritual is being like a ghost. What is that exactly if not just more woo?

But maybe you have a point because to my knowledge ghosts eschew possessions. Ghosts just tell us about ours.

 

[steve_bank]

I take spiritual to mean pursuits other than worldly materialism and immersion in sensuality and self gratification. Hedonism as exemplified by Hugh Hefner would be the opposite of spirituality.

It doesn't mean sex for example is inherently bad, it is the emphasis in life and a belief in a greater experience than gross materialism. Being perfectly happy without the need for material things.

Religious faith in no way implies spirituality.

So a minimalist is spiritual? But these pastors who swim in money are also spiritual, correct? So spiritualism obviously has nothing to do with materialism, at least in practice.

Ghosts are spirits, so I assume ghosts are spiritual. So being spiritual is being like a ghost. What is that exactly if not just more woo?

But maybe you have a point because to my knowledge ghosts eschew possessions. Ghosts just tell us about ours.

Sounds like you have anger management issues the way you respond.

In western culture spiritual vs material pursuits is established in culture.

Spiritual like most concepts are contextual and have many shades of meaning. My definition was narrow and explicit. Was it unclear?

Spiritualism as a cultural phenomena in the USA dates back to a woman in the 19th century, forget the name. Seances, the occult, psychics, channeling and the like. Edgar Cayce was a prominent example and today still has a following. My sister almost got drawn in back in the 70s, I intervened. Aleister Crowley in the early 1900s.

That is not what I was talking about.

Minimalist does not mean spiritual.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Religious: Believing nonsense made up by someone else
Spiritual: Believing nonsense you made up yourself

You can be one, or the other, or even both. But neither is particularly laudable.

Thanks for your nonsense.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I take spiritual to mean pursuits other than worldly materialism and immersion in sensuality and self gratification. Hedonism as exemplified by Hugh Hefner would be the opposite of spirituality.

It doesn't mean sex for example is inherently bad, it is the emphasis in life and a belief in a greater experience than gross materialism. Being perfectly happy without the need for material things.

Religious faith in no way implies spirituality.

+ 1

I am accused of being evil when I show pride, a sin to Christians.

They run away when I show that God had pried in Jesus.

They would throw out the baby with the bath water.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Ghosts are spirits, so I assume ghosts are spiritual. So being spiritual is being like a ghost. What is that exactly if not just more woo?

.

You might want to check the definitions to see that the spirit world and spiritually are not defined the same way.

Regards
DL