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Jason Harvestdancer said:
And everything I wrote above is not even giving my opinion on what is going on, it is simply stating the reports of what is going on. Don2's response will illustrate the point about how he doesn't understand what people are saying about this.
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Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
In other words, they are setting up a territory with govt. The horrors!

On a scale of 1 to Holocaust, this is about 0.5. But if you listen to conservolibertarians complaining about it, it's vegan this and recycling that interspersed with people are occupying land...it's worse than slavery!
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"complaining"

Thank you for proving my point.

"conservolibertarians"

More fascist dog-whistles from you. Why am I not surprised.
 
It's going to be a total flop. They're utterly unrealistic in their understanding of society.
 
There will be some moderately violent acts and this will be broken up within a couple weeks.

I was there a couple days ago and it seemed pretty chill, but we will see.

People are going home, to flophouses and to local restaurants and then coming back all the time.

It is closer to being a street fair.

I did not see obvious weapons and fortification/barricade supplies, but these must be in easy reach somewhere.

Maybe they will all handcuff themselves and make human shields. If the cops come in a start to dismantle it I bet that at least 500 more protestors will show within one hour.

This will be interesting when it happens.
 
During a story about the Seattle protests that aired live Friday night, Fox News anchor Martha MacCallum reported on a Reddit post she said was evidence of infighting among activists involved in the city’s so-called “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.” There was just one problem: The post was clearly a joke referencing one of the most famous scenes from the 1975 comedy classic “Monty Python and the Holy Grail.”

The post, added to the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone subreddit by user “Kasplorge,” says “I didn’t vote for Raz. I thought we were an autonomous collective? An anachro-syndicalist commune at the least. We should take turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.”

“But of course all the decisions of that officer would have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of internal affairs, or a 2/3 majority in the case of more major issues,” the post continued. “Raz can’t simply expect to wield supreme executive power just because someone threw a sword at him.”
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Fox News Mocked After Mistaking Monty Python Joke for Seattle Protest Infighting
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
So, several blocks of Seattle have been taken over by people who may or may not be affiliated with Antifa (which doesn't exist because it has no membership cards). It is apparently a giant commune.

The Seattle police have been ordered to back off. There are signs at the edges of CHAZ stating that people entering are now leaving the United States.

There are reports of various degrees of reliability of what is happening in these zones.

What do people around here think of CHAZ?
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I know little to nothing of CHAZ, so I can't speak of CHAZ.

You have provided nothing but unsupported statements regarding CHAZ, nor have you stated an opinion... granted, being a Libertarian and having an opinion does violate the Pauli Libertarian Exclusion Principle.
 
ZiprHead said:
Fox News Mocked After Mistaking Monty Python Joke for Seattle Protest Infighting
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What CHAZ will look like if the city/state ever decide to clear the occupation:
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Seriously though, this CHAZ thing plays into the hands of Republicans. Especially since Democratic governor Jay Inslee is doing nothing and Democratic mayor Jenny Whatsherface is openly supportive of a band of extremists taking over several city blocks and establishing some kind of Seattle Soviet Republic ...
 
“Nobody showed up”: 911 calls bring no response after break in at auto shop near Capitol Hill protest zone

Capitol Hill auto shop, Car Tender, says it was broken into overnight by protesters in the “CHOP” or “CHAZ” area Sunday night. A suspect tried to start a fire and stole cash, as well as car keys.

The business owner, John McDermott, says he and his son managed to detain the suspect – but despite more than a dozen 911 calls, police and fire never showed up.

McDermott said he got a call Sunday after the suspect smashed a window and got inside his business.
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Trausti said:
“Nobody showed up”: 911 calls bring no response after break in at auto shop near Capitol Hill protest zone

Capitol Hill auto shop, Car Tender, says it was broken into overnight by protesters in the “CHOP” or “CHAZ” area Sunday night. A suspect tried to start a fire and stole cash, as well as car keys.

The business owner, John McDermott, says he and his son managed to detain the suspect – but despite more than a dozen 911 calls, police and fire never showed up.

McDermott said he got a call Sunday after the suspect smashed a window and got inside his business.
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Note: "Near". The police and fire screwed up.
 
The police and fire station are kitty corner from each other on that intersection.
 
To go back to the actual news from the Seattle Soviet Republic (aka CHAZ aka CHOP aka the other CHOP aka ...), they now demand racial segregation in medicine.

Seattle's Autonomous Zone Protesters Demand Race Based Health Care—Would it Work?

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Protesters in Seattle's Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, or CHAZ, put forth a list of 30 demands upon taking over the area, one of which is that hospitals hire black doctors and nurses to treat black patients, a move that would require health care facilities to walk a fine legal line.
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So racial segregation is now considered a progressive value I guess ...

Race-based health care, while having gained support, presents legal and practical challenges to implementation. Proponents say it's one way to start closing disparities in health care, but it could take years and require changes to the education system to fill the shortage of black doctors, and CHAZ's demand that black doctors be employed for the specific purposes of treating black patients isn't quite legally sound.
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"Change the education system" to make medical school admissions and residency matching even more race-based than it already is. That would mean more competent white and Asian prospective doctors will be rejected and more preferred blacks and hispanics with mediocre grades and scores will be accepted. Brilliant plan! Hasn't Coronavirus pandemic shown that we need more competence and less politics in medicine?

However, patients are within their legal right to choose their doctor and physicians and researchers support increasing opportunities for black patients to see black doctors.
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I guess if a patient insists on their racial bigotry you have to humor them, but I do not see what that kind of racism should be encouraged.

It's not a new concept and data shows there's merit to racial concordance between doctors and patients.
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Really? What data?

Black people are more likely than white people to die at an early age from chronic conditions such as heart disease, stroke and diabetes, in part, because they aren't being screened and treated, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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And pushing more marginal students to treat them will help their treatment how?

And increasing minority representation will require more than just implementing changes in who is being hired.
One of the "biggest challenges" to increasing the number of black doctors in the health care field is standardized testing, Dr. Ryan Huerto, a family medicine doctor and a health services researcher at the National Clinician Scholars Program, told Newsweek. Experts called into question the exams' ability to measure potential and criticized it for skewing the playing field against already disadvantaged students.
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Bull-fucking-shit! Standardized testing is a crucial tool for admissions because it is an objective measurement of their students no matter their background or school they attended.
A 3.9 GPA at Bumfuck State University is very different than a 3.9 from Emory. And not all students take the same classes in their undergrad. So MCAT is a way to subject them all to the same test.

Colleges and universities are already getting rid of SAT and ACT requirements and not all medical schools require students to take the MCAT, exams Huerto said aren't indicative of a person's ability to become a good physician. Even in a world without standardized exams, the pool of first-generation, low income and minority students pursuing a career in the medical field would still be smaller because it's costly to apply and train to be a doctor.
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It is a big mistake to do away with SAT/ACT in the name of sneaking more racial preferences into the admissions process and the same goes for MCAT, except the stakes are higher given that physicians work on live people. For Huerto to say that MCAT is not indicative of ability to become a good physician is sheer nonsense. Most of MCAT measures a person's background in the scientific fundamentals linked to medicine. Obviously it is important to have a physician who is well versed in those.
It's the dumbing down of medical education. It goes hand it hand with USMLE Step 1 going pass-fail in a few years. There will be no actual scores reported and so there will be no difference between somebody who aced the exam and somebody who barely passed by the skin of their teeth and perhaps thinks that is no metaphor.
This Ryan Huerto seems like a race-baiting idiot.
 
More CHAZ/CHOP/other CHOP related news:

Protester in Seattle’s CHAZ demands white people give out cash

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“I want you to find by the time you leave this autonomous zone, I want you to … to give $10 to one African American person from this autonomous zone,” said the unidentified protestor speaking to dozens inside the area near the city’s East Precinct that was abandoned by police last week following two weeks of clashes after the death of George Floyd in police custody in Minneapolis last month.“If you have a hard time giving $10 you got to think are you really down with this struggle, are you really down with the movement,” he said. “If that is a challenge for you, I’m not sure you are in the right place.”
The demand was met with cheers and applause from a crowd that had gathered at what appeared to be a baseball field
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“The white people … I see you, I see every single one of you and I remember your faces,” said the speaker.
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Sounds like a threat to me. Give your cash to black people, or else?

Is "revolutionary justice" next?
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