Caretaker for autistic man, unarmed, lying on ground with his hands up, still shot by Miami police

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I'm more interested in what comes of the case. How much money is the guy going to get because he was shot? And will the cop lose his job or at least get some fucking training or be dismissed as incompetent before he shoots a kid in a park.

 

[atrib]

Anyone know the character limit for posts here?

Some of the posts in this thread have lots of words but are totally lacking in character.

Don't feed the troll. This poster posts nonsense in an attempt to rile up serious posters. Ignore him and hope he goes away.

 

[another1]

Airbags matter and all that. They matter because they are expendable. And so are cops.

Right I agree. The random cop walking around out there is totally expendable. But the idea that cops are walking around out there is invaluable. And you're right. Airbags go off.

The point of an airbag is to take the hit so the driver doesn't have to.

The point of a car alarm is to prevent a crackhead from destroying the entire dash board just to get to the air bag. I've always wanted a car alarm that threatens death immediately, in a HAL 9000 voice. A voice so intimidating they would crawl back into the shadows and fear looking in my car's direction ever again. Crackheads in my town are so brave, citizens don't even bother locking their car doors anymore. Citizens are almost comfortable with crackhead behavior. We know that it is cheaper to replace some loose change, than an broken window. Sometimes we get lucky when we start our cars in the morning. We're delighted to see that there are no transvestite wig hairs or heroin needles wrapped in used condom bows in our baby seats. Our cars are no longer our own, basically. Luckily the crackheads around here aren't smart enough to steal airbags. My truck doesn't even have one.
I'm still processing the airbag analogy you gave. Thank you, you'll have to give me a sec.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Again, this particular cop, asked twice, why he shot the man, said he didn't know. It was an act of senseless violence by a less than competent armed person. No deep analysis needed. Armed jerk cops exist and do stupid things.

 

[another1]

Yeah exactly. Cops do stupid things to people of all shapes and colors. In their little channels and ever important videos, social media propagandists should focus on real aspects of the problem, like training cops to be less stupid - if that is even possible.

Violating social media with the whiney and threatening "I matter more" mentality is about as stupid as the average cop, but millions of times more deadly in so many ways.

 

[RavenSky]

Yeah exactly. Cops do stupid things to people of all shapes and colors. In their little channels and ever important videos, social media propagandists should focus on real aspects of the problem, like training cops to be less stupid - if that is even possible.

Violating social media with the whiney and threatening "I matter more" mentality is about as stupid as the average cop, but millions of times more deadly in so many ways.

What the fuck are you even babbling about any more? When did anyone involved in either the actual OP incident or in this thread display an ""I matter more" mentality" (other than you who has pontificated all over this thread).

 

[ZiprHead]

Interesting article about this incident and police responses to the mentally challenged.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/opinions/shooting-man-lying-down-opinion-david-perry/

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Interesting article about this incident and police responses to the mentally challenged.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/opinions/shooting-man-lying-down-opinion-david-perry/

That's a good article. I hope what comes out of this case is that these officers were so piss poorly trained, their carrying a firearm and handcuffs constitutes a clear and imminent danger to the community.

 

[RavenSky]

Mom of autistic man at center of Charles Kinsey shooting: My son is traumatized

“I feel like my wings have been cut off, and it’s the end of everything,” Soto told the Miami Herald Saturday morning. “It’s too emotional to see your baby caught up in something like this.”

It was more than her son could endure, as well. On Tuesday, Rios wandered yet again. He returned to the blood-stained sidewalk where his caregiver had been shot the day before and threw himself to the ground, his mother says. Rocking rhythmically, he shouted: “I hate the police. I hate the police.”

Rios has been in the psychiatric wing of Aventura Hospital since then, said Soto, who visited her son Friday night. For days, Rios had remained hospitalized in the same dirty clothes and blood-stained jacket he was wearing when his image was seared into the national debate about race and policing and the senseless shooting of unarmed men.

On Monday, Rios decided to remain home from a day program he usually attends. Kinsey stayed home, too, to supervise him. When Rios left the group home — his toy truck, which he clings to for comfort, in his hand — Kinsey followed him. “We can’t prevent people from going out the door; they have rights,” said MACtown’s director, Clinton Bower. “All we can do is try to ensure their safety.”

For her part, Soto said she feels terribly about Kinsey, the behavior aide who was shot. Kinsey was the person at MACtown with whom her son felt most at ease. His darker skin reminded Rios of his mother’s last boyfriend, and Kinsey had always treated Rios with kindness. When their worlds collided, and exploded, Kinsey was doing what he always did, trying to protect his client.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...orth-miami/article91472342.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I hope they sue the pants off the police department. Big things like that have to happen for change.

 

[zorq]

Commander Emile Hollant, is on unpaid leave

I'm more interested in what comes of the case. How much money is the guy going to get because he was shot? And will the cop lose his job or at least get some fucking training or be dismissed as incompetent before he shoots a kid in a park.

According to this article:
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...ander-Suspended-After-Shooting-387961252.html
The officer who fired his weapon at behavioral therapist Charles Kinsey, Officer Jonathan Aledda, is on paid leave but his supervisor, Commander Emile Hollant, is on unpaid leave for trying to fabricate evidence to exonerate the police from wrongdoing. The reason for his censure is that he apparently lied about the autistic man, Rinaldo, loading his "weapon" with bullets.

Obviously, to the great surprise of everyone involved, when Rinaldo's toy truck was eventually recovered by authorities it was completely unloaded.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

That doesn't make any sense. How would a mentally handicapped man be clever enough to hide the bullets for his homemade gun while the cops were watching him?

We're not getting the whole story here.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

It looks like the autistic man was not the only man at the scene with mental problems.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Some of the posts in this thread have lots of words but are totally lacking in character.

Don't feed the troll. This poster posts nonsense in an attempt to rile up serious posters. Ignore him and hope he goes away.

Yeah really, not certain why so many continue taking the bait.

 

[atrib]

He survived, but that doesn't make the story any less outrageous:

http://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-moments-before-north-miami-police-shot-unarmed-man/

Cellphone video was released Wednesday afternoon showing Charles Kinsey lying on the ground with his hands in the air, telling officers that weapons are not necessary. “When I went to the ground, I’m going to the ground just like this here with my hands up,” Kinsey said, “and I am laying down here just like this, and I’m telling them again, ‘Sir, there is no need for firearms. I’m unarmed, he’s an autistic guy. He got a toy truck in his hand.”

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The ordeal went on for a few minutes before Kinsey said one of the officers shot him. “I’m like this right here, and when he shot me, it was so surprising,” Kinsey said. “It was like a mosquito bite, and when it hit me, I’m like, ‘I still got my hands in the air, and I said, ‘No I just got shot! And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me, he said, ‘I don’t know.'”

A fucking toy truck. He wasn't even holding it, he just happened to be black and nearby. Just makes you so glad to be paying for all the expensive, actual guns that some cops nevertheless treat like toys, and the "training" that convinces so many of them that everyone and everything (particularly black things) is a threat.

There was fault on both sides. The officer may have overreacted, but the person who got shot was clearly breaking the law by hanging out in the middle of the road with a man who looked like he had a gun. And since he was black, he is likely to have been a thug and fathered black children out of wedlock.

/KillerCopApologist mode off

 

[ZiprHead]

There was fault on both sides. The officer may have overreacted, but the person who got shot was clearly breaking the law by hanging out in the middle of the road with a man who looked like he had a gun. And since he was black, he is likely to have been a thug and fathered black children out of wedlock.

Don't forget that "he had lots of baby-mommas while my dick sits here unattended."

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Also, he had big arms.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I'm more interested in what comes of the case. How much money is the guy going to get because he was shot? And will the cop lose his job or at least get some fucking training or be dismissed as incompetent before he shoots a kid in a park.

According to this article:
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...ander-Suspended-After-Shooting-387961252.html
The officer who fired his weapon at behavioral therapist Charles Kinsey, Officer Jonathan Aledda, is on paid leave but his supervisor, Commander Emile Hollant, is on unpaid leave for trying to fabricate evidence to exonerate the police from wrongdoing. The reason for his censure is that he apparently lied about the autistic man, Rinaldo, loading his "weapon" with bullets.

Obviously, to the great surprise of everyone involved, when Rinaldo's toy truck was eventually recovered by authorities it was completely unloaded.

The general public does not know that this type of police behavior is more the rule than the exception. I'm certain there are many good decent officers out there but they are not the majority, and I mean that seriously. People have simply been trained and conditioned to believe and obey, believe and obey, believe and obey, when authority speaks.

Teach your kids to think, and to know that authority is earned, not declared or inherited.