Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

[Politesse]

I used to be married to a cis woman, but that doesn't even every murder I've committed since then has been "abouf feminism".

So who did you write your confession notes to?

Mailed them to Alan Rickman on the back of five silver-trimmed postcards in 1999. Not sure where they ended up after that.

 

[Derec]

My honest thoughts? Lots of people don’t like [Kamala Harris] because she’s black and lots of people don’t like her because she’s a woman.

I think the number of those people is less than you think. Far less. Personally I think she is too far left (from her Senate career and 2020 run) and i think she lacks good judgment.

I also believe that Biden stepped in in 2020 to save us from Trump, correctly assessing that a white establishment make was needed to quell the bots of sexism and racism most of us do not like to admit even to ourselves. Maybe especially to ourselves.

I thought it was just a random typo, but you consistently seem to be misspelling "male" as "make". What gives?

I can't speak for why Biden decided to run, but the establishment closed around him after SC to prevent Sanders getting at least a plurality of delegates. Had the moderates remained split between Biden, Mayor Pete, Klob etc. that was a very strong possibility.
I think Biden should have ran in 2016. We would have been spared Trump.
But I also think Bloomchen would have been a better "old white guy" president for 2020. He would have resisted the fauxgressive fringe more. I think Biden letting himself be pulled too far to the left was a big reason why his presidency ended up being so unpopular that we got Trump 2.0.

Harris was never my favorite candidate. I like her even less now.

And yet you are quick to say that others who are critical of her must be so because of her skin color or plumbing.

I’m ok with voting for candidates who are not my personal favorites. I vote for who I believe is the better candidate. I’ve only truly liked and wholeheartedly heartedly, without reservation, voted for two candidates who won POTUS. I mostly have voted for candidates who lost.

I also voted for Harris/Walz, but without much enthusiasm.

 

[Derec]

I could go on. The point is that white men as president haven’t been all that impressive, taken as a whole. I’m betting black women like Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Rosa Parks, Shirley Chisholm and Kamala Harris, to name just a handful, could have done a much better job.

Why do you think that the flaws of white male presidents have not been because they are fallible human beings, but rather due to their un-woke skin color and genitalia?
And what do you base your claim that the women you mentioned "could have done a much better job"? Just on your prejudices about race and gender?
I get it. You don't like white men, and think black women are superior.

 

[Derec]

So now you don't even want an Asian VP.

Huh? How do you get that from what I wrote?
I think everybody should be considered without regard to race and sex.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

The Democrats are in for a surprise when the midterms roll around, they’re going to find out they’re wrong once again. They are managing Charlie Kirks death in the most idiotic way possible.

How are the Democrats "managing Kirk's death" ? Surely it is not something that is important to them, so they are basically ignoring it. By the time the election arrives most voters will have forgotten Kirk, especially with the way the USA economy is going they will have much more important concerns such as how do they feed their children and pay their bills.

Another thing I have noticed is that right-wingers in such places as youtube and Quora, in that the way they write they act like there are as many lefties as there are of them. This is because to them if you are not a right-winger, then you must be a leftie. If you have a view opposed to theirs then you are a leftie.
The delusional views that they have are incredible to any rational person. For instance, that they are the ones with integrity and other virtues, whilst they simultaneously support Trump and other wrong-doers.

 

[Derec]

Meeting minimum qualifications was not the issue. The issue is that when you restrict yourself to a small fraction of possible candidates, you are unlikely to find anybody close to optimal for the job.

Oh, nonsense. There are and were plenty of black women qualified for the job, including Harris.

Nonresponsive to my point.

Of course it was responsive.

I usually trim the quotes to the parent layer only, but here I leave the full exchange, just to show how non-responsive you are.
I said that meeting minimum qualifications is not the issue, as all of them do. The question is about selecting somebody close to optimal for the job, which is unlikely to find somebody like that if you restrict your candidate pool to 6.5% of the population based on race and sex.
You responded with "there are and were plenty of black women qualified for the job" because that was not in dispute. But you are more likely to find a great fit if you do not arbitrarily exclude 93.5% of the population.

It is just astonishing how you destroy irony meters everywhere. Eliminating from consideration blacks and women because of their skin color and plumbing was always the national norm, and Biden decided to end it.

No, he didn't. He did not eliminate exclusion, he doubled up on it and made it explicit. And not just for Veep, but for SCOTUS too!

Women only just got the vote a little over a hundred years ago, and as little as 60 years ago blacks could not even vote in many places!

In what way does that justify excluding everybody who is not a black woman from consideration?

She barely lost the election,

Yes, and a better candidate would have probably won it.

with racism and misogyny being the likely reasons for her loss.

Bullshit. Some of her disadvantages were not her fault, like having a very short time in which to prosecute a campaign, or the global anti-incumbent sentiment. Others were, for example focusing her campaign on "vibes".

 

[Derec]

We all know that if Biden had never announced he was restricting his pick to black women, Derec would still be complaining that Harris was picked only because she was female and black and therefore was a “DEI” hire.

I would have still pointed out that she was the wrong decision, but it would have been less obvious that it was a DEI pick, and not just a poor pick more generally.

In any case, Biden chose to be transparent about Harris being a DEI pick.

 

[Derec]

The site specifically looked at mass shootings in schools and workplaces. Only an idiot refuses to acknowledge that the motivations of shootings at schools and at workplaces differ sharply from other types of multiple/mass shootings associated other criminal activity or family annihilations.

The motives are different, but your claim was specifically that it was overwhelmingly whites who are responsible for these shootings. And the data from you citied here does not back that point, as I have shown. Whites are underrepresented among mass shooters even under more restrictive definitions of the term.
Are you finally ready to concede that point?

At least some of the school shootings seem to have been motivated by desire for some kind of fame or notoriety or just lulz. We do not look at the 9/11 attacks or Oklahoma City bombings the same way, although they killed many more people including young children.

So what's your point here? Especially relevant to this thread, which is about a targeted assassination, not about a mass shooting.

 

[Derec]

OMG. the horrors. And I thought Texans were supposed to tough. But they are fucking snowflakes.

How does "tough" enter the issue that this young woman committed a misdemeanor assault while police were watching her meltdown?

If a young white man tried to pull a Muslim woman's headscarf after yelling how her "homie" was dead, would you also dismiss it saying that she should be "tough" and that the guy should not have been arrested for assault? Or do you advocate one set of rules for whites and men, and another for minorities and women? That the former should tough it out when you would never suggest the same for the latter?

No. Probably because that didn't happen.

Oh, it most definitely did happen.

It was a clusterfuck of misunderstanding that lead to lots of asshattery.

It was a clusterfuck, but not of misunderstanding, but of jumping to conclusions. The news media and many on the Internet assumed that the white teen must have been the asshat, and that the Indian must have been in the right.

 

[Derec]

Seriously?

Seriously. Biden should no have artificially restricted himself, but should have selected his running mate with no regard to race or sex.

Compared to the idiotic narcissist with psychopathic tendencies, either of my dogs would be much better presidents, and they are both females. They actually care about the people and they would never do anything to destroy democracy. And you have the audacity to say that Harris wasn't up to doing the job. WTF man!

I have no doubt that she would have done a relatively competent job as president; she certainly would not have messed things up like we have them now.
But one big, and necessary, part of the job is winning the election. And she failed that part.

There are plenty of women, including black women who would make good presidents compared to many of the men who have been presidents in my life time. Crooked Dick Nixon? "W"? and now one who is likely to go down in history as the worst president ever and you think Harris wasn't qualified? I've heard so many lies about her prior to the election.

I did not say she wasn't qualified, but that she lacks good judgment. And I stand by that.

She may not have been my first choice, but considering the alternative, she was more than well qualified and would have been able to do the job without ruining the country. Plus, I'm quite sure she would have chosen good cabinet members and advisers, unlike the current felon who holds the highest office in the land.

I mean, I voted for her, so I don't disagree here. But she certainly was not the right person to run in 2024, and seeds for that were laid when she was selected in 2020.

 

[Derec]

Dan Quayle was an idiot. Despite Derec and Dear Leader’s claims, Harris is bright and accomplished.

I made no such claims. You are confusing me with barbos, who did.

 

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[Derec]

The Muslim population of UK is 6.0 percent and of Germany 6.6 percent.

And this share is rapidly increasing, due to both mass migration and the fact that Muslims have a lot of children.

, what is not in evidence is what is wrong with being Muslim, unless one pushes the stupid argument that all Muslims are terrorists.

Islam as an ideology is incompatible with the western societies. And many Muslims, especially from countries like Afghanistan, do not want to adapt to western way of life, but want the countries that welcomed them to adapt to them.

And no, not all Muslims are terrorists, although a heavily disproportionate share of them are. But terrorism is just the bombastic tip of the iceberg. The hidden threat is the pernicious, insidious influence of Islamism that will only become bigger as there are more very religious Muslims invading the West.
In major cities like Berlin, the hidden bulk of the Islamist iceberg is already wrecking things.
'Here, Islam is the boss': The nightmare of a gay Jewish teacher in Berlin’s migrant schools

 

[Derec]

The Muslim population of UK is 6.0 percent and of Germany 6.6 percent.

Which, according to Derec, is a very large and highly significant proportion of the population.

It's a rapidly increasing share of the population. It's a foreign invader population too, with a culture and values incompatible with western ones.

Which, obviously, is a tiny and frankly negligible proportion of the population.

I never said that the percentage of black women was "tiny and frankly negligible". I merely corrected claims that it was 10%, which it clearly is not.

Funny how that works.

How what works? Putting words in people's keyboards? You tell me.

 

[Derec]

So, black women cannot be considered for positions of authority, because there are not enough black women in positions of authority?

Says who? I just don't think it should be only black women who are considered for positions like SCOTUS justice and Vice President. Or US Senator from California for that matter.

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Less circular reasoning and more lack of elementary reading comprehension on your part.

 

[Derec]

Radical Christianity is just as incompatible with US culture (as set out in your constitution) as radical Islam, and only the former is an existential threat to the USA.

No. Radical Islam is a few orders of magnitude more out there than radical Christianity.
But Islamism gets defended by the far left because of the latter's rigid oppressor-oppressed paradigm that identifies Muslims as "the oppressed" because they are not western.

 

[Derec]

But radical Christianity is largely white and misogynistic so it appeals to certain non-Christian men.

Radical Islam is far more misogynistic, and far more anti-LGBT, but it is non-Western and largely "brown", and so it appeals to certain fauxgressive people, including feminist and LGBT activists.

 

[Derec]

Gosh, look at these right-wing hate machine memes: wholesale invasion ,,, mass migrants … incompatible cultures. …

All correct.

You just buy every bit of garbage the right-wing hate machine shoves down through throat, don’t you?

No, but I also recognize where the Left has a huge blind spot.

There are some 750,00 Muslims living in New York City, where I live — 9 percent of the population, greater than in the UK and Germany.

You are comparing a major city with entire countries. For example, London was already at 15% in the 2021 census. And the Muslim school enrollment portends trouble in the next generation because Muslims tend to have a huge number of children.
This is Vienna - a plurality of schoolchildren there are already Muslim.

Of course, Islamoleftists like you welcome this development.

Like everyone in NYC, the vast majority of them are peaceful, law-abiding, and hardworking. I know the right-wing hate machine tells you that New York City is a crime-ridden hell pit, but that is another right-wing hate machine lie. For some years now, NYC has been the safest big city in the U.S. — and it is simply teeming with diversity.

At the same time you've had quite a few Islamic terror attacks, whether committed or foiled by law enforcement, since 9/11.

And we are about to elect a Muslim mayor.

I know. He's a socialist to boot. An Islamoleftist's wet dream. There is a thread on Mr. Cardamom already, so I will not expand on him.

I bet that really grates on you, doesn’t it?

It should grate on everybody who appreciates freedom.

 

[Patooka]

violence should be met with violence, but words should be met with words

No. That give some people an out with The Excuse, "I'm just asking questions".

Kirk knew he was inciting violence. He also knew he was safe behind a legal line. He knew for a fact his fans were ready to kill over CRT (remember that?). He decided to double down.

I'm glad he's dead. I'm disappointed he's deified.

 

[Patooka]

I just read that Europe is celebrating Kirk's movement and are mourning his death. The hard right is rising in many European countries, including England, Spain, Germany, Italy, to name some. WTF is going on in the world?

The Internet is causing US propaganda to propagate far beyond its intended targets.

I was managing an RSL at Sydney over the weekend which had a "Newcastle Alternative Market" happening on a Sunday. Look on a map; you can see Newcastle and Sydney have some space between them

Along with the annual Widows of Combat Veterans lunch at the same time.

So I was dealing with 70 year olds who lost their husband at Long Tan and 20 something goth chicks and the occasional furry (some were young, some could have fit right in at the widows lunch). They all got along well together and everyone respected their boundries. Everyone was different and everyone was cool. What sickens me the most was that the only topic of conversation between the two groups that had traction was Charlie fucking Kirk. As a species I thought we were better than this. A neo-nazi white supremacist should not nor ever be the glue that binds us together.