Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

[GenesisNemesis]

Also the blatant double standards of the right wing are blatant.

Trump Says He Doesn't Have Sympathy for 'Vicious' Biden After Cancer Diagnosis: 'If You Feel Sorry for Him, Don't'

President Donald Trump continued his personal attacks on Joe Biden when asked about his predecessor's recent stage 4 cancer diagnosis on Friday, May 30, saying that people should not 'feel so sorry' for him because he's a 'vicious person'

people.com

 

[laughing dog]

Also the blatant double standards of the right wing are blatant.

Trump Says He Doesn't Have Sympathy for 'Vicious' Biden After Cancer Diagnosis: 'If You Feel Sorry for Him, Don't'

President Donald Trump continued his personal attacks on Joe Biden when asked about his predecessor's recent stage 4 cancer diagnosis on Friday, May 30, saying that people should not 'feel so sorry' for him because he's a 'vicious person'

people.com

Trump must be irony proof.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The reality is that a realistic threat of harm is assault. An attempt to accomplish it is battery even if that attempt fails.

To accomplish what? Harm?
Does knocking someone’s hat off constitute harm or is the alarm factor sufficient?

I have watched someone get arrested for assault and battery for spitting and missing. Admittedly, campus security rather than the regular police. There had been a previous incident that I had noticed there was an argument but not the details. A bit later campus security comes along, the spitter couldn't understand what crime he(?--this was 40 years ago) had committed as he had missed.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Possibly true. However I believe that most Christians are also unwilling to oppose the radical right-wing Christian Taliban.

well it definitely seems the grieving of Charlie Kirk is not limited to extreme fundamentalist Christians, despite those being his views.

“He may be a little bit of a wacko, but he’s OUR wacko and we love(d) him. 95 percent of what he said was true.”

The MAGAtropolis houses both the Christofascist fundy and the Prosperity Gospel folk, among others. They all gotta grieve and give praise like hell right now in case anyone’s looking.

Exactly. Works both ways, all too many are unwilling to take a stand against the wackos of their side. And unwilling to admit that said wackos are going way to far even when the base idea might be true.

 

[crazyfingers]

Also the blatant double standards of the right wing are blatant.

Trump Says He Doesn't Have Sympathy for 'Vicious' Biden After Cancer Diagnosis: 'If You Feel Sorry for Him, Don't'

President Donald Trump continued his personal attacks on Joe Biden when asked about his predecessor's recent stage 4 cancer diagnosis on Friday, May 30, saying that people should not 'feel so sorry' for him because he's a 'vicious person'

people.com

Older story but still shows once again that Trump has no redeeming qualities as a human being.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Consenting provider, consenting recipient, fine. (Yes, this is a privacy issue even though it masquerades as a free speech issue. It's about what happens in private, not what happens in public.)

You haven’t heard her!

Huh? What are you trying to say? I'm talking about things like bathroom videos (consensual, not peeping), the witch hunt against incest-themed games etc. You want something illegal, show me the victim! (Or show me the undue risk of creating a victim--just because you didn't hit anyone doesn't excuse DUI.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Constitution says what the Supreme Court says it says. Not the other way around. Haven't you been paying any attention? They just said it's ok to racially profile.

Which decision is that?

Not objecting to the Gestapo going after people based on appearance.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Constitution says what the Supreme Court says it says. Not the other way around. Haven't you been paying any attention? They just said it's ok to racially profile.

Which decision is that?

How the Supreme Court's Latest Decision Clears the Way for Racial Profiling During Immigration Raids - American Immigration Council

This week the U.S. Supreme Court issued a decision that clears the way for racial profiling during immigration raids and sweeps. Now we could see the Trump administration rapidly expand the racially discriminatory ICE practices we have already seen terrorize families, workplaces, and communities...

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

Conservatives have a big problem with reading comprehension, so it probably isn't going to do much.

If the shoe fits...

You weren't aware of this decision even though it is a very important decision about how our country will go.

 

[Elixir]

Huh? What are you trying to say?

Nothing… just noting how volume obviates privacy.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

The Constitution says what the Supreme Court says it says. Not the other way around. Haven't you been paying any attention? They just said it's ok to racially profile.

Which decision is that?

How the Supreme Court's Latest Decision Clears the Way for Racial Profiling During Immigration Raids - American Immigration Council

This week the U.S. Supreme Court issued a decision that clears the way for racial profiling during immigration raids and sweeps. Now we could see the Trump administration rapidly expand the racially discriminatory ICE practices we have already seen terrorize families, workplaces, and communities...

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

Conservatives have a big problem with reading comprehension, so it probably isn't going to do much.

If the shoe fits...

You weren't aware of this decision even though it is a very important decision about how our country will go.

I meant linking the article probably isn't going to do much to convince conservatives. I left out that part because it's happened enough times I thought it'd be obvious. Maybe not though.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Radical Christianity is way out there, also. It's just we haven't seen much of their insanity.

Speak for yourself because your eyes must be wide shut.

We do not see a lot with the level of wrongness that we see from Islam. Where is the Christian equivalent to the Iranian-backed genocides of Africa?

Also in Africa.

I am surprised you were unaware of this.

Islam and Christianity have been fighting a very bloody war there for control of various territories (often asynchronous with national boundaries, as is true of so much of post-colonial Africa) for a couple of centuries now.

Sure there have been Christian wrongs there. I'm saying there's nothing remotely at the level of the current genocides.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So it should be legal to go around knocking people's hats off? Could the deniers go around ripping people's masks off?

Get a grip. It’s rude and childish to knock a hat off. Unless it causes actual harm, it should not be a crime.

I'm just wondering what the punishment should be for knocking a hat off given how these people are acting like it's such a serious crime.

Also false equivalence as knocking a hat off doesn't endager anyone else's life.

The punishment should be minor, but that doesn't make it not a crime.

 

[Elixir]

The punishment should be minor, but that doesn't make it not a crime.

Obviously the punishment should be letting the victim knock the perp’s hat off. Justice. The lawyers can quibble over whether it has to be on the same ground so one party’s hat doesn’t get dirtier than the other’s. Stuff like that can be worked out on appeal if necessary.

 

[Derec]

I'm just wondering what the punishment should be for knocking a hat off given how these people are acting like it's such a serious crime.

Who says it's a serious crime? It is a misdemeanor.

And would you be as dismissive if the tables were turned? If a white college kid tried to knock off a black college girl's hat off while taunting her (maybe by yelling "yo homie dead" about George Floyd)? Or, how about if a white kid tried to pull a hijabi Muslim chick's head covering off while taunting her about Gaza? You'd probably be calling it a "hate crime".

 

[Arctish]

I'm just wondering what the punishment should be for knocking a hat off given how these people are acting like it's such a serious crime.

Who says it's a serious crime? It is a misdemeanor.

And would you be as dismissive if the tables were turned? If a white college kid tried to knock off a black college girl's hat off while taunting her (maybe by yelling "yo homie dead" about George Floyd)? Or, how about if a white kid tried to pull a hijabi Muslim chick's head covering off while taunting her about Gaza? You'd probably be calling it a "hate crime".

If things were different, then things would be different.

We don't know anything about the alleged taunt. Was it inflammatory mockery? Was it reading aloud that Charlie Kirk quote about a few deaths every year as an acceptable price to pay for 2nd Amendment Rights and asking people if they thought Kirk was wrong? What exactly did the woman say that Greg Abbot thinks is grounds for being arrested?

We don't know anything about how the hat wearer and the hat displacer came to be within arms' reach of each other. Which one approached the other? Was the approach casual, inadvertent, intentional, aggressive, or something else? Was one of them stalking the other, or trying to impede their free association and travel, or to intimidate them?

We can imagine scenarios where the arrest was justified as a matter of public safety and public order. We can also imagine scenarios where it was an abuse of power and a crackdown on dissent. We don't have enough information to reach any sort of conclusions but it appears to have been something minor.

 

[TSwizzle]

We don't know anything about how the hat wearer and the hat displacer came to be within arms' reach of each other. Which one approached the other? Was the approach casual, inadvertent, intentional, aggressive, or something else? Was one of them stalking the other, or trying to impede their free association and travel, or to intimidate them?

There’s plenty footage of the interaction. She’s an obnoxious pos.

 

[Derec]

If things were different, then things would be different.

If the only things different are race/ethnicity/sex/religion of those involved, then that should not affect how the incident is handled.
Of course, to the far left, such identity markers are of paramount importance, but that is the problem with modern, identity politics left.

We don't know anything about the alleged taunt. Was it inflammatory mockery?

There are videos. So we do know what she said.

 

[Arctish]

We don't know anything about how the hat wearer and the hat displacer came to be within arms' reach of each other. Which one approached the other? Was the approach casual, inadvertent, intentional, aggressive, or something else? Was one of them stalking the other, or trying to impede their free association and travel, or to intimidate them?

There’s plenty footage of the interaction. She’s an obnoxious pos.

It would be very helpful if you provided links to the footage.

 

[Arctish]

If things were different, then things would be different.

If the only things different are race/ethnicity/sex/religion of those involved, then that should not affect how the incident is handled.
Of course, to the far left, such identity markers are of paramount importance, but that is the problem with modern, identity politics left.

We don't know anything about the alleged taunt. Was it inflammatory mockery?

There are videos. So we do know what she said.

Please post links to the videos.

We don't all utilize the same news feeds. There's no reason to assume everyone here has seen the same reports.

 

[bilby]

Radical Christianity is way out there, also. It's just we haven't seen much of their insanity.

Speak for yourself because your eyes must be wide shut.

We do not see a lot with the level of wrongness that we see from Islam. Where is the Christian equivalent to the Iranian-backed genocides of Africa?

Also in Africa.

I am surprised you were unaware of this.

Islam and Christianity have been fighting a very bloody war there for control of various territories (often asynchronous with national boundaries, as is true of so much of post-colonial Africa) for a couple of centuries now.

Sure there have been Christian wrongs there. I'm saying there's nothing remotely at the level of the current genocides.

Really? Are you sure? Or do you just assume it's so, because it suits your preconceptions, and/or those of your preferred "news" providers?