China's surveillance state exposed

[Loren Pechtel]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...llance-state-out-of-the-shadows-idUSKBN2011HO

Facial recognition is identifying people who go outside when they're told to stay home.

 

[Harry Bosch]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...llance-state-out-of-the-shadows-idUSKBN2011HO

Facial recognition is identifying people who go outside when they're told to stay home.

Yes. It's going to be much easier for people to be "disappeared" in China today.

 

[Elixir]

Aw shit - this is just the Chinese government's response to other countries saying they all look alike.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

China is a police state. Is this supposed to be something surprising?

 

[ideologyhunter]

Trump could use it to track down all the fake voters. You know -- the 3 million majority who didn't want his greasy corrupt ass in the Oval Office.

 

[Harry Bosch]

China is a police state. Is this supposed to be something surprising?

Within 20 posts there will be someone claiming that China is an open and liberal society. Guarantied.

 

[PyramidHead]

You do realize they are trying to stop the spread of a deadly contagious disease, right

 

[4321lynx]

You do realize they are trying to stop the spread of a deadly contagious disease, right

What is a disease? Muslim "Uighurism" always? Yesterday limited democracy in Hong Kong? Today corona virus. Tomorrow "democracy" in Taiwan? Day after tomorrow what? Singapore? Malaysia? Thailand?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

China is a police state. Is this supposed to be something surprising?

Actually, I'll disagree with this. I've been in true police states (behind the Iron Curtain)--to me the clear indication of a police state is the fear the average citizen has of the police. My standard illustration of this: We had a run-in with the police in Hungary. Other than the language barrier (most of the conversation was in German, a language neither my mother nor the official spoke at all well--my father's was even rustier, he could understand it but not say anything) it was easy to show it was their mistake, we had done nothing wrong. However, they wanted a report filled out about it--in Hungarian. A language we spoke none of--and because it was a police matter nobody would help us translate. Finally a businessman from Vienna overheard our efforts and offered to help--he knew we wouldn't get any locals to translate. Contrast that with Shanghai--a DVD seller wasn't happy at seeing what he thought was a good sale walking away and kept trying to follow us to get us to come look at his wares. It didn't take too long for a cop to notice him and shoo him away--and he talked back to the cop about it, saying that he wasn't harassing us. That would never happen in a police state.

What China is is a surveillance state.

You do realize they are trying to stop the spread of a deadly contagious disease, right

The issue isn't right or wrong, the issue is the ability to do it at all.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

What China is is a surveillance state.

What's the purpose of all the enforced surveillance if they're not a police state? The doctor who called out the corona virus certainly felt the state control. What did he do wrong?

 

[4321lynx]

Loren

In your first example what the police really wanted was probably a bribe. Did you try it? It always surprised me how little achieved so much, and of course in USD, and given discretely.

 

[PyramidHead]

Amazing that the article doesn't mention how surveillance is handled at the local level and not by the Chinese government. Almost like they are an anticommunist rag with a history of being funded by British intelligence agencies to spread propaganda against communist states and have no interest in objectivity or context

 

[steve_bank]

There has been coverage.

There is no such thing as privacy in China. Communications, bank accounts, social media, spending habits, lifestyle are mentored. All evaluated by algorithms to generate a score by the government. How loyal al are you?

An American or Canadian helped them develop a camera that combines telescopic capacity with high resolution and wide angle. Designed for loom distance surveillance.

They can pick a face out of a crowd and with facial recognition can quickly call up your entire profile.

From a show I watched on it not all Chinese are worried about it. One woman interviewed said Americans are too individualistic.

In China it is not exactly a secret.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Loren

In your first example what the police really wanted was probably a bribe. Did you try it? It always surprised me how little achieved so much, and of course in USD, and given discretely.

As I said, resolving the mistake was simple enough other than due to language. It didn't seem like fishing for a bribe. The mistake was made by an airport official, not by the people we were talking about.

I don't think the police realized the problem they were causing in asking for that report.

 

[steve_bank]

Amazing that the article doesn't mention how surveillance is handled at the local level and not by the Chinese government. Almost like they are an anticommunist rag with a history of being funded by British intelligence agencies to spread propaganda against communist states and have no interest in objectivity or context

Why not fund anti Russia propaganda? Unless you wnt to argue Putin is a sweetheart and is not really destabilizing and occuoying part of Ukraine, why was guaranteed sovereignty by treaty with Russia a signatory.

Putin's home propaganda is that the west and NATO are enemies at the gate. I mean really why on Earth would anyone want to invade Russia?

There is plenty of oil and natural gas to go around. The Russian population is shrinking due to diet and alcohol.

All we have to do is wait for the end and Putin being too old to do anything.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Amazing that the article doesn't mention how surveillance is handled at the local level and not by the Chinese government. Almost like they are an anticommunist rag with a history of being funded by British intelligence agencies to spread propaganda against communist states and have no interest in objectivity or context

I find it incredibly ironic that you defend China's dictatorship while at the same time condemning the engineer wage slave toiling in the US working 40 hours a week at $65 an hour!

 

[PyramidHead]

Amazing that the article doesn't mention how surveillance is handled at the local level and not by the Chinese government. Almost like they are an anticommunist rag with a history of being funded by British intelligence agencies to spread propaganda against communist states and have no interest in objectivity or context

I find it incredibly ironic that you defend China's dictatorship while at the same time condemning the engineer wage slave toiling in the US working 40 hours a week at $65 an hour!

Facts about China are not hard to look up, do you want me to do it for you

 

[PyramidHead]

Amazing that the article doesn't mention how surveillance is handled at the local level and not by the Chinese government. Almost like they are an anticommunist rag with a history of being funded by British intelligence agencies to spread propaganda against communist states and have no interest in objectivity or context

Why not fund anti Russia propaganda? Unless you wnt to argue Putin is a sweetheart and is not really destabilizing and occuoying part of Ukraine, why was guaranteed sovereignty by treaty with Russia a signatory.

Putin's home propaganda is that the west and NATO are enemies at the gate. I mean really why on Earth would anyone want to invade Russia?

There is plenty of oil and natural gas to go around. The Russian population is shrinking due to diet and alcohol.

All we have to do is wait for the end and Putin being too old to do anything.

The British funding of Reuters to spread anti-Soviet propaganda had nothing to do with Putin, and Putin has nothing to do with Soviet Russia, why am I the one telling you this

 

[PyramidHead]

Amazing that the article doesn't mention how surveillance is handled at the local level and not by the Chinese government. Almost like they are an anticommunist rag with a history of being funded by British intelligence agencies to spread propaganda against communist states and have no interest in objectivity or context

I find it incredibly ironic that you defend China's dictatorship while at the same time condemning the engineer wage slave toiling in the US working 40 hours a week at $65 an hour!

Facts about China are not hard to look up, do you want me to do it for you

https://www.statista.com/statistics/732805/average-working-hours-china/





Mote, plank, eye, etc.

 

[PyramidHead]

Not even the fucking CIA calls China a dictatorship

Government type field listing
communist party-led state

Dictatorship is defined as:

Dictatorship - a form of government in which a ruler or small clique wield absolute power (not restricted by a constitution or laws).

None of which is true in China, which has a constitution that applies to everyone including the President and restricts his power in specific and easily verifiable ways