Chris Rock interview

[NobleSavage]

I'm pretty sure soldiers guilty of atrocities have used those same excuses.

Yes, atrocities not close judgment calls. And a lot of these soldiers that come back from war are completely fucked up because they did kill someone. It destroys their life or they commit suicide. I'm sure if Darren Wilson isn't a sociopath he will have this on his conscious the rest of his life.

 

[Toni]

My father would thought him a kid in need of trip to the woodshed, not the cemetery. My father would spoken to him once and he would have listened because my father walked his beat and knew the people on it (and vice versa) and Michael Brown would have known my father didn't play.

But here's the thing

In neighborhoods where the police are not an occupying force, people tend to behave better from jump. If this neighborhood in Ferguson had beat cops on patrol who actually lived in the neighborhood, the odds of Michael Brown stealing, or obstructing traffic, drop substantially.

I agree. Would you be willing to cut Darren Wilson some slack? To me he seemed young and maybe a little inexperienced. From what I understand the current training is is basically to unload your clip if you feel your life is in danger. He had to at least know that shooting someone would really screw up his weekend.

Wilson is 28 years old, and had been a police officer for 6 years. He wasn't a rookie. He also wasn't terribly out sized by Crawford. Wilson is 6'4 and weighs in at 210. He's not a little guy himself.

 

[NobleSavage]

I agree. Would you be willing to cut Darren Wilson some slack? To me he seemed young and maybe a little inexperienced. From what I understand the current training is is basically to unload your clip if you feel your life is in danger. He had to at least know that shooting someone would really screw up his weekend.

Wilson is 28 years old, and had been a police officer for 6 years. He wasn't a rookie. He also wasn't terribly out sized by Crawford. Wilson is 6'4 and weighs in at 210. He's not a little guy himself.

Thanks for the details. I was just going by the interview I saw of him. Anyhow, I don't think Wilson said to himself, "If I'm lucky maybe I can shoot a nigger tonight." If this were a black cop who shot a white kid under similar circumstances I'd feel the same way.

 

[Toni]

Wilson is 28 years old, and had been a police officer for 6 years. He wasn't a rookie. He also wasn't terribly out sized by Crawford. Wilson is 6'4 and weighs in at 210. He's not a little guy himself.

Thanks for the details. I was just going by the interview I saw of him. Anyhow, I don't think Wilson said to himself, "If I'm lucky maybe I can shoot a nigger tonight." If this were a black cop who shot a white kid under similar circumstances I'd feel the same way.

I'm not sure most people think that is what is going on with all of the shootings of unarmed black people. I think it's much more insidious: the unconscious perception if blacks, especially black males as inherently dangerous and threatening , violent.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

I should cut him some slack because he was poorly trained and too inexperienced to do his job properly and so he killed a guy?

Yes. I don't think he was poorly trained, rather too well trained in military tactics. They have these guys simulate dangerous scenarios 100 times until it's automatic. Take it out on the system and take it out on the police in general, but Darren Wilson is every bit a cog in the machine that Michael Brown is. I can't stand cops and I'm white. That's too bad because I would have probably liked your father.

I read briefly that Obama is going to remove some of the military gear, encourage cameras, and promote different training -- somehow. If it works, that is a good first step.

Oh you would have loved my Poppa. Everybody did. He was hoot. Told jokes so bad they killed wildlife. but that is another story.

But when you put on that badge and that gun, you also buy into the public trust, and we trust you not to shoot us and us includes big black guys walking down the street. Wilson chose to be a peace officer, and his inablilty to keep the peace doesn't mean he gets to shoot people and no one say that's fucked up, that's wrong and you need to stand before the public and defend what you did or suffer the consequence of killing a citizen.

 

[NobleSavage]

Yes. I don't think he was poorly trained, rather too well trained in military tactics. They have these guys simulate dangerous scenarios 100 times until it's automatic. Take it out on the system and take it out on the police in general, but Darren Wilson is every bit a cog in the machine that Michael Brown is. I can't stand cops and I'm white. That's too bad because I would have probably liked your father.

I read briefly that Obama is going to remove some of the military gear, encourage cameras, and promote different training -- somehow. If it works, that is a good first step.

Oh you would have loved my Poppa. Everybody did. He was hoot. Told jokes so bad they killed wildlife. but that is another story.

But when you put on that badge and that gun, you also buy into the public trust, and we trust you not to shoot us and us includes big black guys walking down the street. Wilson chose to be a peace officer, and his inablilty to keep the peace doesn't mean he gets to shoot people and no one say that's fucked up, that's wrong and you need to stand before the public and defend what you did or suffer the consequence of killing a citizen.

He did, and I think justice worked correctly in this circumstance. Getting cops to go back to their traditional role as a peace officers is something blacks and whites can get behind. That is the way we should be framing this issue. The most conservative white people I know don't like the "police state".

 

[ksen]

unless it kills black guys

 

[NobleSavage]

unless it kills black guys

See, this is where you need to cool it. Conservative white America does not want to "kill black guys". Yeah, there are some radical racists out there like Stormfront, but that's not your typical Republican voter.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Oh you would have loved my Poppa. Everybody did. He was hoot. Told jokes so bad they killed wildlife. but that is another story.

But when you put on that badge and that gun, you also buy into the public trust, and we trust you not to shoot us and us includes big black guys walking down the street. Wilson chose to be a peace officer, and his inablilty to keep the peace doesn't mean he gets to shoot people and no one say that's fucked up, that's wrong and you need to stand before the public and defend what you did or suffer the consequence of killing a citizen.

He did, and I think justice worked correctly in this circumstance. Getting cops to go back to their traditional role as a peace officers is something blacks and whites can get behind. That is the way we should be framing this issue. The most conservative white people I know don't like the "police state".

And i don't agree. I think the prosecutor put the fix in. And that is not justice.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

unless it kills black guys

See, this is where you need to cool it. Conservative white America does not want to "kill black guys". Yeah, there are some radical racists out there like Stormfront, but that's not your typical Republican voter.

You don't have to a Stormfronter to be a bigot. The things the Klan did, they did with the explicit blessing or silent consent of the White Citizen's Council and those men made up the Chamber of Commerce, the memberships at country club and the Shriners.

 

[NobleSavage]

And it's not 1950 anymore. I don't know any conservatives that give their silent consent to the KKK. At worst they have the "takers" mentality a la Romney. Most of them unfortunately associate black people with ghetto culture. They feel that by dumping more money into the ghetto that you end up with a bigger ghetto.

Who was that liberal Senator or Congressman that was a sociologist? He said more or less that the structure of welfare did a great amount of harm to the inner cities.

 

[Toni]

unless it kills black guys

See, this is where you need to cool it. Conservative white America does not want to "kill black guys". Yeah, there are some radical racists out there like Stormfront, but that's not your typical Republican voter.

I don't really agree. I have a lot of extended family who are Republicans. Not a single one if them thinks of themselves as a bigot, much less racist. Some have black friends. They are mostly 'law and order' people and their first assumption is that a black guy did it (although most crime is committed by whites) and when they think about people on welfare, the face they see is black. Even the ones who have received some sort of assistance themselves.

They see themselves as 'real Americans,' and are completely unconscious of the fact that they came from immigrant stocks who came to America under circumstances not unlike those of the recent immigrants they deride.

 

[NobleSavage]

See, this is where you need to cool it. Conservative white America does not want to "kill black guys". Yeah, there are some radical racists out there like Stormfront, but that's not your typical Republican voter.

I don't really agree. I have a lot of extended family who are Republicans. Not a single one if them thinks of themselves as a bigot, much less racist. Some have black friends. They are mostly 'law and order' people and their first assumption is that a black guy did it (although most crime is committed by whites) and when they think about people on welfare, the face they see is black. Even the ones who have received some sort of assistance themselves.

Being a bigot is NOT "wanting to kill black guys".

 

[ksen]

I never said they wanted to kill black people. I said they don't have a problem with a police state as long as it's only killing black people.

 

[Horatio Parker]

See, this is where you need to cool it. Conservative white America does not want to "kill black guys". Yeah, there are some radical racists out there like Stormfront, but that's not your typical Republican voter.

I don't really agree. I have a lot of extended family who are Republicans. Not a single one if them thinks of themselves as a bigot, much less racist. Some have black friends. They are mostly 'law and order' people and their first assumption is that a black guy did it (although most crime is committed by whites) and when they think about people on welfare, the face they see is black. Even the ones who have received some sort of assistance themselves.

They see themselves as 'real Americans,' and are completely unconscious of the fact that they came from immigrant stocks who came to America under circumstances not unlike those of the recent immigrants they deride.

There's another dimension to the L&O crowd. They want the foot of the police on the necks of minorities, and if that costs a few lives, so be it. Why? Because they believe without what many would call oppression but they would call vigilance, the criminal elements will grow and take over.

Here in NY, it's openly said that ending stop and frisk means that the city will descend into chaos. And that is the view of most of the police. I would guess that the attitude of the Ferguson police is the same if not more so.

So, do conservatives want more dead black men? Not in a body count sense, but they are willing to accept more killings if that keeps the lid on crime.

 

[NobleSavage]

I never said they wanted to kill black people. I said they don't have a problem with a police state as long as it's only killing black people.

I'm sure the conservative white vote would happily give up the police state even if it meant less blacks were killed.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

And it's not 1950 anymore. I don't know any conservatives that give their silent consent to the KKK.

I know conservatives who send their children to segregation academies, speak quite publicly about the inferiority of minorities, and have tried to zone poor folk out of prime real estate areas, and the poor folk always just happen to be black.

At worst they have the "takers" mentality a la Romney. Most of them unfortunately associate black people with ghetto culture. They feel that by dumping more money into the ghetto that you end up with a bigger ghetto.

Who was that liberal Senator or Congressman that was a sociologist? He said more or less that the structure of welfare did a great amount of harm to the inner cities.

And who structured welfare? I am pretty sure it wasn't "ghetto culture"

 

[Toni]

I don't really agree. I have a lot of extended family who are Republicans. Not a single one if them thinks of themselves as a bigot, much less racist. Some have black friends. They are mostly 'law and order' people and their first assumption is that a black guy did it (although most crime is committed by whites) and when they think about people on welfare, the face they see is black. Even the ones who have received some sort of assistance themselves.

They see themselves as 'real Americans,' and are completely unconscious of the fact that they came from immigrant stocks who came to America under circumstances not unlike those of the recent immigrants they deride.

There's another dimension to the L&O crowd. They want the foot of the police on the necks of minorities, and if that costs a few lives, so be it. Why? Because they believe without what many would call oppression but they would call vigilance, the criminal elements will grow and take over.

Here in NY, it's openly said that ending stop and frisk means that the city will descend into chaos. And that is the view of most of the police. I would guess that the attitude of the Ferguson police is the same if not more so.

So, do conservatives want more dead black men? Not in a body count sense, but they are willing to accept more killings if that keeps the lid on crime.

Exactly. And they are helped along by Faux Network and the 24/7 news cycle which competes by amping up the gore and the fear and making certain that all images of any black or brown suspect are just a little more scary than those of nice, white criminals.

 

[NobleSavage]

I don't really agree. I have a lot of extended family who are Republicans. Not a single one if them thinks of themselves as a bigot, much less racist. Some have black friends. They are mostly 'law and order' people and their first assumption is that a black guy did it (although most crime is committed by whites) and when they think about people on welfare, the face they see is black. Even the ones who have received some sort of assistance themselves.

They see themselves as 'real Americans,' and are completely unconscious of the fact that they came from immigrant stocks who came to America under circumstances not unlike those of the recent immigrants they deride.

There's another dimension to the L&O crowd. They want the foot of the police on the necks of minorities, and if that costs a few lives, so be it. Why? Because they believe without what many would call oppression but they would call vigilance, the criminal elements will grow and take over.

Here in NY, it's openly said that ending stop and frisk means that the city will descend into chaos. And that is the view of most of the police. I would guess that the attitude of the Ferguson police is the same if not more so.

So, do conservatives want more dead black men? Not in a body count sense, but they are willing to accept more killings if that keeps the lid on crime.

Typical conservatives that you are describing don't live in NYC. It's mostly liberal progressives. And they are happy to trade safety for freedom. Obama won NYC 5-1. Rednecks live out in the country. And most Republicans live in the suburbs.

 

[ksen]

I never said they wanted to kill black people. I said they don't have a problem with a police state as long as it's only killing black people.

I'm sure the conservative white vote would happily give up the police state even if it meant less blacks were killed.

Apparently not since they keep voting in politicians that prop up this system.