Christian Nationalism Raises It’s Ugly Head in America

[SLD]

A new poll says 45% of Americans believe that we should be a Christian nation. I suppose I should be grateful that 55% don’t.

Poll: Nearly half of Americans think the US should be a Christian nation

(RNS) — But those who say that tend to avoid hard-line positions and have different views about what a Christian nation should look like.

religionnews.com

Of course what that means differs greatly amongst the respondents. Only 28% believe we should formally adopt Christianity as the national religion. Others that we should see Christianity as forming our basic beliefs that shape our society. But 28% is a lot. Considuring the lack of political participation and voting in this country, it may be enough to sway elections. But what I don’t understand is how this number has changed over time. It’s the trend that matters. How many people felt like that in 1950?

of course much of the answers were also based on partisan divisions. Interesting that those most familiar with the concept were more likely to be critical of it.

So are we headed towards a showdown with these fuckers?

 

[Elixir]

i wonder how that survey was conducted. They could have gotten a positive response from me (an anti- religion atheist) if I felt it was a question about “christian” behavior vs. “Christian” faith.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Acts 4
God commands communism.
Matthew 6:5-6
Ptayer is strictly to be done in private.
Sell all you have and give to the poor.

Now do you want America to be Christian? I could create a little survey that would probably give far different results.

 

[starwater]

Christianity has fallen from 78% to 63% in the last ten years. According to Pew Research

 

[TLK Valentine]

Christianity has fallen from 78% to 63% in the last ten years. According to Pew Research

Seems like the Christian Nationalists are panicking, then... they'll never get what they want by choice, so they're gearing up to take it by force.

 

[SLD]

Christianity has fallen from 78% to 63% in the last ten years. According to Pew Research

Seems like the Christian Nationalists are panicking, then... they'll never get what they want by choice, so they're gearing up to take it by force.

Exactly what’s happening! We need some atheist evangelicals to push more people away. The weaker they are the more violent they become, but the less likely they’ll be successful.

 

[crazyfingers]

Demographic trends are not in the Christian Nationalists favor. Religious "nones" are gaining significant ground. Many younger people are being pushed away by the unenlightened attitudes of Christian Nationalists and the much overlaping group called White Evangelicals on social issues such as gay rights, minority rights, abortion. Time does not favor Christian Nationalism.

But the core is becoming more radical and more willing to use violence. They won't go quietly and things are going to get worse before they get better.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Christianity has fallen from 78% to 63% in the last ten years. According to Pew Research

Seems like the Christian Nationalists are panicking, then... they'll never get what they want by choice, so they're gearing up to take it by force.

Exactly what’s happening! We need some atheist evangelicals to push more people away. The weaker they are the more violent they become, but the less likely they’ll be successful.

They won't be "successful" in the strategic sense, but their violence will escalate.

I'm all for keeping them in the spotlight so that the country (and the rest of the world) can take a big laughing gawk at them -- John 3:20, actually, fits here: "All who doeth evil hateth the light," or something similar.

Drive the cult underground, and it'll just fester there and do who knows how much harm...

 

[TLK Valentine]

Demographic trends are not in the Christian Nationalists favor. Religious "nones" are gaining significant ground. Many younger people are being pushed away by the unenlightened attitudes of Christian Nationalists and the much overlaping group called White Evangelicals on social issues such as gay rights, minority rights, abortion. Time does not favor Christian Nationalism.

But the core is becoming more radical and more willing to use violence. They won't go quietly and things are going to get worse before they get better.

Desperate people doing desperate things -- they see an existential threat to their way of life (which is actually little more than a decline in political power, but good luck telling them that) and they're lashing out.

 

[BH]

Those who want it to be the law of the land also envision their denomination being the real Christianity it is based on. A Church of Christ run country would makes the Baptists vomit and vice versa.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

From Alternet
Former Vice President Mike Pence claimed during a Wednesday appearance on Fox Business that the First Amendment to the United States Constitution does not protect Americans from having other people's faiths forced upon them.

Well if so, then secularist have a right to impose separation of church and state on all. Which in fact the Constitution does. After the U.S. Constitution became law of the land, the U.S. had the great disestablishment of state chur hes. All very legal and constitutionaly sound.

We may need a new round of disestablishment in America now.

 

[Ford]

Demographic trends are not in the Christian Nationalists favor.

Which is precisely why they're getting more extreme. They know they're not going to get the majority behind them, but if they get a motivated minority? And even if they did convince a majority, history is filled with countries that had "popular" uprisings only to look around a few years later and say "hey...where did this repressive dictatorship come from?"

Those who want it to be the law of the land also envision their denomination being the real Christianity it is based on. A Church of Christ run country would makes the Baptists vomit and vice versa.

Yep. For the past several decades, America has had an easy alliance between the various sects out of convenience. Yet as the Bee Gees might ask, "how deep is your love?" My mom decided to be non-denominational back in the 50s when she went shopping around for a "faith." Every church she went to said the same thing. "Oh those people in that church down the street are all going to Hell. We're the only true Christians!"

It would only be a matter of time before the people happy to finally have an official Christian Nation would notice the gasoline soaked lumber piling up at their feet.

 

[SLD]

From Alternet
Former Vice President Mike Pence claimed during a Wednesday appearance on Fox Business that the First Amendment to the United States Constitution does not protect Americans from having other people's faiths forced upon them.

Well if so, then secularist have a right to impose separation of church and state on all. Which in fact the Constitution does. After the U.S. Constitution became law of the land, the U.S. had the great disestablishment of state chur hes. All very legal and constitutionaly sound.

We may need a new round of disestablishment in America now.

It depends on what he means. A private individual certainly has a right to spew his toxic bullshit at you. (Provided he’s not violating some other laws). In that sense we don’t have freedom from religion. And they don’t have freedom from atheism either.

but me suspects that these assholes mean they have a right to insist you adhere to some religion Or you lose the protection of the law.

 

[Swammerdami]

I'll guess that many of the Americans who "believe that we should be a Christian nation" attend church once a year or less and answered Yes to the poll question only because they know that's how their spiritual guides — MTG, Boebert, Tucker Carlson — tell them to think.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Demographic trends are not in the Christian Nationalists favor. Religious "nones" are gaining significant ground. Many younger people are being pushed away by the unenlightened attitudes of Christian Nationalists and the much overlaping group called White Evangelicals on social issues such as gay rights, minority rights, abortion. Time does not favor Christian Nationalism.

But the core is becoming more radical and more willing to use violence. They won't go quietly and things are going to get worse before they get better.

Desperate people doing desperate things -- they see an existential threat to their way of life (which is actually little more than a decline in political power, but good luck telling them that) and they're lashing out.

The idea that this is desperation is absolutely mistaken.

The problem is that the fiery minority always has an advantage over the majority, as they'll usually find dumbass allies on their political side that won't side with the "other" side to push away the fiery minority. Look at SCOTUS. The majority of Americans want access to abortion to be legal. Yet, we are halfway to a national ban.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'll guess that many of the Americans who "believe that we should be a Christian nation" attend church once a year or less and answered Yes to the poll question only because they know that's how their spiritual guides — MTG, Boebert, Tucker Carlson — tell them to think.

Certainly, those pushing the "Christian" narrative are more likely to be less church going, and assuredly less religious. I have moderate Catholic family that were Reagan / HW Bush Republicans that are Democrat voters now, the shift has been so anti-religion.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

From Alternet
Former Vice President Mike Pence claimed during a Wednesday appearance on Fox Business that the First Amendment to the United States Constitution does not protect Americans from having other people's faiths forced upon them.

Well if so, then secularist have a right to impose separation of church and state on all. Which in fact the Constitution does. After the U.S. Constitution became law of the land, the U.S. had the great disestablishment of state chur hes. All very legal and constitutionaly sound.

We may need a new round of disestablishment in America now.

It depends on what he means. A private individual certainly has a right to spew his toxic bullshit at you. (Provided he’s not violating some other laws). In that sense we don’t have freedom from religion. And they don’t have freedom from atheism either.

but me suspects that these assholes mean they have a right to insist you adhere to some religion Or you lose the protection of the law.

If the Chritian Nationalists ever make a law forcing every American to have a religion, Satanism will grow expotentially over night.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Listening to Prager today, they sound like they are revving up for a glorious and righteous massacre of the left-wing... you know... for the sakeness of good.

 

[TLK Valentine]

From Alternet
Former Vice President Mike Pence claimed during a Wednesday appearance on Fox Business that the First Amendment to the United States Constitution does not protect Americans from having other people's faiths forced upon them.

Well if so, then secularist have a right to impose separation of church and state on all. Which in fact the Constitution does. After the U.S. Constitution became law of the land, the U.S. had the great disestablishment of state chur hes. All very legal and constitutionaly sound.

We may need a new round of disestablishment in America now.

Pence is partially correct -- we are protected by the First Amendment only from the government forcing religious beliefs on us. Whatever protection we get from the private sector (from our employers, for example) comes from other federal laws, such as the Civil Rights Act... Which is very much the law of the land, but it's not the First Amendment.

 

[ZiprHead]

Texas Pastor Calls For Christians To 'Impose Their Values' On Everyone

Texas megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress said over the weekend that Christian nationalists had a right to "impose their values" on everyone else.

crooksandliars.com

Try it, bitch.