http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...-church-refuses-funeral-service-because-woman
what a piece of shit
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Church in Lakewood stops woman's funeral because she was gay
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Christain prosecutor doesn't seem to matter.
It's whether or not the judge has family buried where Pastor Ray has authority....
Maybe keeping the money is more of a civil matter??Christain prosecutor doesn't seem to matter.That sounds like something the District Attorney can act upon, unless he's Christian..
It's whether or not the judge has family buried where Pastor Ray has authority....
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Wow, that is cold. I wonder how his congregation will react to this.
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Another alleged Christian acting in the name of his savior.
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The video makes reference of a "remembrance video prior to and that the pastor could have objected then".
I guess he assumed her gayness would not be publically visible during the funeral. So, he's okay with the gayness, just not the open gayness? I'll take the money, just don't make me feel uncomfortable in public?
I guess.
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Seems like an ugly publicity stunt by the Pastor.
Meanwhile in Heaven, the God Lesbos is not happy!
Meanwhile in Heaven, the God Lesbos is not happy!
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It has nothing to do with religion. It is about trying to control people. What is happening with the Taliban is just like this... *shifty eyes*... okay, there may be a magnitude or two of the harshness of it. These churches were against rock music and dancing in the fifties. They protested Marilyn Manson concerts not too long ago. They want to get rid of birth control. They want to control people's lives, just like the Taliban, but thanks to some wise Founding Fathers, their attempts have been mainly thwarted and there continues to be progress in many areas.
But religion is the tool being used, not the source of the intolerance.
Your own answer is incoherent. If religion is being used as a tool, how does it have nothing to do with religion?
Not that accept for a moment your hypothesis. We're to believe that the gay-intolerant behaviour of people who are indoctrinated into hating gays because that's what their religion taught them and that's what the Bible says has nothing to do with their religion.
The amount of atheists who twist their minds into pretzels to defend religion is really astonishing to me.
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Because it is the people, not some amorphous religion. There are Muslims out there slaughtering other people. Plenty of Muslims not doing that. In the US there are Christians protesting gay marriage. There plenty that aren't. The religion isn't fucked, well except Scientology, it is the people that use it to justify their bias, prejudice, and desire for power.
Their prejudice is taught by their religion.
But this is absurd. Do you know why Muslims are offended by images of the Prophet (peace be upon him) but Christians are not offended by images of the Prophet (peace be upon him)? It's because Muslims are taught to believe that depicting the Prophet (peace be upon him) is blasphemous, but Christians are not taught that depicting the Prophet (peace be upon him) is blasphemous.
I can't engage this collective madness any further, this screamingly absurd denial of the obvious. I don't have the verbal prowess to articulate the extent of my frustration and astonishment.
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Well, he'd surely have met the wife while planning the service, wouldn't he? Notice, he didn't kick her out for being gay. He just said that the pictures proving it had to go.
Far more likely, IMHO, someone else saw the service, realized that the place was being not only same-sex-tolerant, but supporting same-sex-marriage and complained.
Pastor Ray may have just been trying to find a happy medium. "Excuse me, the Bishop's on his way. You can bury her, here, but please don't make it look like we support gay marriage!"
Still sleazy, but seems more likely than a suden realization on Ray's part.
Disagree - religion is fucked, though I'm happy that many religious people are in certain capacities decent folks in spite of it.
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If I'm reading this right, the pastor was willing to perform the funeral under the specific condition that the pictures (apparently inappropriate for the venue) were removed. The events that transpired after the funeral began seem to be more of an indication that the remembrance video was not viewed than it was viewed. I'd be interested to know if there was a signed written agreement (prior to the church putting in their time and effort preparing their services) clarifying appropriate conduct that might justify not returning funds.
There's a saying that there's a time and place for all things. What is appropriate one place in not therefore appropriate everywhere. There are numerous examples of that. The places where such actions by the pastor is acceptable have severely dwindled over the last few decades, and had the funeral been at a liberal church, a taxpayer funded school in a small town, or next to stools in a public bar governed by city council, then perhaps people intolerant of the pastors actions would have a basis for complaint had he chosen such places.
I'm not by any means supporting what he did. I would not have done what he did. I am against what he did. There are people, for instance that despise others who would burn a flag yet defend their rights to do it. I'm not even doing that. I'm just curious (just curious) how we can fault him given the venue. Fault him, yes; I can see that. Me, the Bible doesn't say to stop funerals because people are gay. People can act wrongly in the name of what they believe, and I think it was wrong of him to do that to a grieving set of people. Curious. Curious, I say. Given the venue. Venue.
There's a saying that there's a time and place for all things. What is appropriate one place in not therefore appropriate everywhere. There are numerous examples of that. The places where such actions by the pastor is acceptable have severely dwindled over the last few decades, and had the funeral been at a liberal church, a taxpayer funded school in a small town, or next to stools in a public bar governed by city council, then perhaps people intolerant of the pastors actions would have a basis for complaint had he chosen such places.
I'm not by any means supporting what he did. I would not have done what he did. I am against what he did. There are people, for instance that despise others who would burn a flag yet defend their rights to do it. I'm not even doing that. I'm just curious (just curious) how we can fault him given the venue. Fault him, yes; I can see that. Me, the Bible doesn't say to stop funerals because people are gay. People can act wrongly in the name of what they believe, and I think it was wrong of him to do that to a grieving set of people. Curious. Curious, I say. Given the venue. Venue.
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I'm not sure why #NotAllMen or not all white people are deemed bad things to bring up in an argument, but not all Christians or not all Muslims are deemed helpful and valid responses.