Climate Change(d)?

[bilby]

To survive the collapse you need combat and scavenging skills.

Are you sure? Or is that just what the American culture - and particularly the SciFi - you are exposed to would have you believe?

Production skills are of no value.

Again, are you sure?

To survive after the collapse you're going to need production skills.

Yes. And you can survive during the collapse without actively losing those skills.

Many farmers hunt, shoot, join the military, defend their property, and then, after doing all those things, completely fail to discover that they no longer know how to farm.

I know. It's incredible!

 

[bilby]

No. The problem is there will be more weapons than food production.

Will there now. In the USA, maybe. But I am not expecting many Americans to make it; The survivors will mostly be from much less technological cultures.

It's going to be "we are starving, there is food over there." If you have anything of value you are going to have quite a problem with keeping it.

How do you detect food on North Sentinal island, and how would you get there if you did?

Would you even recognise as food most of the stuff that self-sufficient Amazonian tribes eat? They don't have warehouses you can raid.

 

[bilby]

But that's not the same thing at all. Look at Zimbabwe--land handed to the farmers produced basically nothing because they knew their part of the job, not the whole job. Nor did they have the resources to plant for future harvest.

They were trying (and failing) to be agricultural businesses. Not subsistence farmers. They could (and did) feed themselves. They just couldn't generate a surplus.

 

[TSwizzle]

But, what do these scientists know?

Not a great deal.

The authors of the new study used physical and chemical measurements in the upper ocean and computer models to update and refine previous ocean acidification estimates.

Any article that has 'It's a ticking time bomb' as its lead in is not going to be science, it’s going to be fear mongering propaganda.

A bit of a scorcher today but I survived and so did Santa Monica pier.

 

[bilby]

Farm with what? All the tech needs fuel.

People farmed without "tech" that needed fuel for about ten thousand years; They have only used such "tech" for about a century.

Virtually all modern crops are not going to do well without fertilizer.

That would be a big problem, if you were trying to feed eight billion people. Not much of a problem when you only want to feed a few thousand.

 

[bilby]

I think you're being extremely optimistic here.

I think you are being extremely pessimistic, and astonishingly unimaginative here. Not everywhere is like the USA, and not anywhere is like the post apocalyptic USA of popular fiction.

 

[robnisch]

A Meeting at Corvallis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Good book, great author for this thread.
How things could be after a big EM event IIRC.

 

[DBT]

But, what do these scientists know?

Not a great deal.

The authors of the new study used physical and chemical measurements in the upper ocean and computer models to update and refine previous ocean acidification estimates.

Any article that has 'It's a ticking time bomb' as its lead in is not going to be science, it’s going to be fear mongering propaganda.

A bit of a scorcher today but I survived and so did Santa Monica pier.

We should be prepared for events that have happened in the past, events that effect food production and social stability, and now we have the additional factor of increasing levels of greenhouse gases and climate change.

 

[TSwizzle]

We should be prepared for events that have happened in the past, events that effect food production and social stability, and now we have the additional factor of increasing levels of greenhouse gases and climate change.

You absolutely should prepare for the coming rapture.

 

[DBT]

We should be prepared for events that have happened in the past, events that effect food production and social stability, and now we have the additional factor of increasing levels of greenhouse gases and climate change.

You absolutely should prepare for the coming rapture.

What has happened before can happen again, and probably will. It's not hard to grasp.

 

[TSwizzle]

We should be prepared for events that have happened in the past, events that effect food production and social stability, and now we have the additional factor of increasing levels of greenhouse gases and climate change.

You absolutely should prepare for the coming rapture.

What has happened before can happen again, and probably will. It's not hard to grasp.

Of course it can. But you are not going to prevent natural disasters like volcano eruptions by putting bike lanes on Santa Monica Blvd, banning gas stoves, wind farms, net zero and other harebrained schemes which is what is being proposed. So yes I agree with you to some extent, direct resources to where it matters. But not at stupid shit.

 

[bilby]

you are not going to prevent natural disasters like volcano eruptions by putting bike lanes on Santa Monica Blvd, banning gas stoves, wind farms, net zero

Indeed. We can easily more than offset the impacts of those natural disasters, though:

Human activities emit 60 or more times the amount of carbon dioxide released by volcanoes each year.

Source - NOAA.

 

[crazyfingers]

you are not going to prevent natural disasters like volcano eruptions by putting bike lanes on Santa Monica Blvd, banning gas stoves, wind farms, net zero

Indeed. We can easily more than offset the impacts of those natural disasters, though:

Human activities emit 60 or more times the amount of carbon dioxide released by volcanoes each year.

Source - NOAA.

Careful. Publicizing the NOAA data may draw attention to it among the Rump political shitheads and the data will be disappeared.

They are erasing climate date because they are idiots on a mission to destroy the planet.

 

[DBT]

We should be prepared for events that have happened in the past, events that effect food production and social stability, and now we have the additional factor of increasing levels of greenhouse gases and climate change.

You absolutely should prepare for the coming rapture.

What has happened before can happen again, and probably will. It's not hard to grasp.

Of course it can. But you are not going to prevent natural disasters like volcano eruptions by putting bike lanes on Santa Monica Blvd, banning gas stoves, wind farms, net zero and other harebrained schemes which is what is being proposed. So yes I agree with you to some extent, direct resources to where it matters. But not at stupid shit.

Think again. Our contribution to climate change exceeds volcanic activity, as Bilby pointed out.

 

[TSwizzle]

Think again. Our contribution to climate change exceeds volcanic activity

This obsession with carbon really needs to stop.

 

[steve_bank]

The collected repetitious quotable quotes of TSwizzle, recorded here for posterity. They provide profound insight into why climate change science is all wrong.

1. This obsession with carbon really needs to stop.
2. This obsession with CO2 is coming to an end.
3. Teh Gruaniad says
4. It is a catastrophic 75 degrees today.
5. He’s a cultist.It is a catastrophic 73 degrees in Santa Monica today
6. It really is a rapture like cult.
7. It really is a religion for you.
8. You are dumber than I thought.
9. Climate always changes.

 

[robnisch]

National Weather Service

forecast.weather.gov

Wish I was at the beach!

 

[Swammerdami]

you are not going to prevent natural disasters like volcano eruptions by putting bike lanes on Santa Monica Blvd, banning gas stoves, wind farms, net zero

Indeed. We can easily more than offset the impacts of those natural disasters, though:

Human activities emit 60 or more times the amount of carbon dioxide released by volcanoes each year.

Source - NOAA.

Who is suggesting that CO₂ emissions by volcanoes is a global problem?

Volcanoes produce H₂S ("rotten egg" gas), SO₂, and their byproducts like H₂SO₄. Some sulfur compounds act as cooling agents, compared with CO₂'s warming.

In a normal year, volcanoes' contribution to atmospheric sulfur is about the same as mankind's, but occasionally there are very large eruptions:

Krakatau’s [magnitude-six] eruption in August 1883 [Indonesia] cooled Earth by 0.6°C for months and the tiny particles it released caused the Moon to appear blue for a year.

Prior to this, the massive 1815 magnitude-seven eruption of Tambora in Indonesia had an even greater effect on the planet. In fact the year that followed it, 1816, is sometimes known as the year without summer. The massive eruption killed an estimated 60,000 people and is now known to have been the cause of crop failure, famine and unusual weather.

The Yellowstone Caldera had a magnitude-eight eruption 630,000 years ago, with roughly ten times the ejecta of Tambora in 1815.

 

[DBT]

Think again. Our contribution to climate change exceeds volcanic activity

This obsession with carbon really needs to stop.

Given the evidence, asserting that human activity is not contributing to climate change doesn't' help you at all.

 

[TSwizzle]

Think again. Our contribution to climate change exceeds volcanic activity

This obsession with carbon really needs to stop.

Given the evidence, asserting that human activity is not contributing to climate change doesn't' help you at all.

Climate change or climate variability is natural. You know this. Human activity has very little impact on the climate compared to what occurs naturally.