Closing your garage door is now an executable offense in America

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

"The suspect." Hello, Earth to Derec. Noise Complaint.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Because it's pretty clear he had an "oh, shit!" moment and sought to avoid the confrontation once he realized it was the police. The police got assigned 1% for failing to recognize the guy was running rather than a threat.

Failing to recognize a closing door wasn't a threat?

A closing door by itself isn't a threat. A guy with a gun putting something between him and the cops indicates a probable threat.

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My understanding was that there was a considerable siege first.



SWAT makes sense. The cops thought they had an armed standoff. SWAT is typically called in in such situations. They have the things like the tear gas and the robots, the average patrol officer does not.

SWAT had a seige for 3 hours against a dead guy. Proof positive they're paranoid = irrational.

Proof positive you don't understand police operations.

SWAT normally tries to talk first.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Perhaps. But once the door goes down the police have no visual on the suspect and thus do not know if he put the gun in his pocket or raised it to fire through the door. As they have conclusively demonstrated, that door is not effective cover - if they could shoot him, he could shoot them just as easily.

You are arguing that the police are justified in shooting someone through a door because they cannot see what he is doing. Do you realize that appears?

Apparently you don't realize the situation.

Guy with gun confronts cops.

Guy doesn't drop his gun when told to, he closes the door instead.

The guy now knows where the cops are and has a gun--he could easily fire through the door and he's already demonstrated hostility towards the police.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

1. The suspect is armed with a gun in his hand.
2. The suspect has concealed himself which prevents police from seeing what he is doing with said gun.

While in hindsight we know that it wasn't his intention to shoot police, they had no way of knowing it. All they knew is that an armed person took deliberate action to conceal himself from them while still being capable of shooting.

Since he was not indicating by any other means (shouting or screaming that I will kill you), they had no compelling reason to shoot. Since he was not shooting, they were not in imminent danger.
Moreover, what if these police while shooting through a closed door, hit a gas tank or a container of flammable liquid that caused a massive explosion?

This shooting was reckless and unnecessary.

This wasn't in Hollywood.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

A closing door by itself isn't a threat. A guy with a gun putting something between him and the cops indicates a probable threat.

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My understanding was that there was a considerable siege first.



SWAT makes sense. The cops thought they had an armed standoff. SWAT is typically called in in such situations. They have the things like the tear gas and the robots, the average patrol officer does not.

SWAT had a seige for 3 hours against a dead guy. Proof positive they're paranoid = irrational.

Proof positive you don't understand police operations.

SWAT normally tries to talk first.

You don't know what you're talking about. I understand cover, camouflage, and concealment better than you do. I am a military veteran. I also apparently understand this story better than you as I've read court documents. SWAT was called in after he was dead because police mistakenly thought he was alive.

This wasn't in Hollywood.

Then perhaps you should stop trying to be an armchair officer like you're watching television and actually read about the story. SWAT in this instance was called in after he was dead because they didn't know he was dead. They were fighting with a dead body for 3 hours.

 

[laughing dog]

This wasn't in Hollywood.

No one said it was. Do you have any actual point to make or is the another example of you babbling?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A closing door by itself isn't a threat. A guy with a gun putting something between him and the cops indicates a probable threat.

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Proof positive you don't understand police operations.

SWAT normally tries to talk first.

You don't know what you're talking about. I understand cover, camouflage, and concealment better than you do. I am a military veteran. I also apparently understand this story better than you as I've read court documents. SWAT was called in after he was dead because police mistakenly thought he was alive.

The police had no way of knowing he was dead. The point is they tried talking for three hours.

This wasn't in Hollywood.

Then perhaps you should stop trying to be an armchair officer like you're watching television and actually read about the story. SWAT in this instance was called in after he was dead because they didn't know he was dead. They were fighting with a dead body for 3 hours.

The Hollywood issue was about things going boom if hit by a bullet.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This wasn't in Hollywood.

No one said it was. Do you have any actual point to make or is the another example of you babbling?

I'm not babbling, but apparently I'm expecting more reading comprehension than exists.

I was referring to your comment about things exploding if hit by a bullet. That's pretty much only a Hollywood thing, the stuff you typically find in a garage doesn't go boom if hit.

 

[laughing dog]

This wasn't in Hollywood.

No one said it was. Do you have any actual point to make or is the another example of you babbling?

I'm not babbling, but apparently I'm expecting more reading comprehension than exists.

Your comment, sans explanation, was babble.

I was referring to your comment about things exploding if hit by a bullet. That's pretty much only a Hollywood thing, the stuff you typically find in a garage doesn't go boom if hit.

First, it is possible (although unlikely) a bullet can cause a gas can or gas tank to explode. Second, neither you nor the police can tell what is typically in a garage when the door is closed.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The police had no way of knowing he was dead. The point is they tried talking for three hours.

You still have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. No idea. Why are you just imagining things here out of thin air? Still? Even after already being wrong? The police and/or SWAT did not talk to him for 3 hours. The court documents show that what happened is the police fired [almost] immediately. Are you confused with some other case? Did you refuse to read paragraphs submitted to the thread? Next, SWAT was called in because they thought wrongly he was inside the house. So, what did they do? They shot tear-gas canisters through the windows of the house. His dead body still didn't come out of the house. So, next, they set up their robot which takes quite a bit of time to set up. They sent that in to look around and then found that he was dead from the shots from a long time before the robot was there. Now, somewhere in there could SWAT have yelled over a megaphone for the dead body to come out with its hands up? Sure. That's possible, I suppose. BUT what the heck point are you trying to make that has any value whatsoever to anything? The guy was dead, a life ended. There's no soul, no afterlife, no second chances in this world for a bullet to the brain that ends in death. It's final. For all your hero-worship of police and apologetics, and fantasies that his wife put the gun in his back pocket, there's a dead guy whose life ended too soon with 3 kids, a young wife, probably savings for a home or kid college fund, $10K in funeral expenses, and police that shot to kill a guy on his own property. And you can't prove he had the unloaded gun out, you just want to believe it. To make this sad story go away so you can continue believing that police are the good guys and never make mistakes. No doubt ever. No skepticism can ever be acceptable to you.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm not babbling, but apparently I'm expecting more reading comprehension than exists.

Your comment, sans explanation, was babble.

I was referring to your comment about things exploding if hit by a bullet. That's pretty much only a Hollywood thing, the stuff you typically find in a garage doesn't go boom if hit.

First, it is possible (although unlikely) a bullet can cause a gas can or gas tank to explode. Second, neither you nor the police can tell what is typically in a garage when the door is closed.

Gas tanks don't simply explode. The only way to make them go boom is subject them to extended fire.

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The police had no way of knowing he was dead. The point is they tried talking for three hours.

You still have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. No idea. Why are you just imagining things here out of thin air? Still? Even after already being wrong? The police and/or SWAT did not talk to him for 3 hours. The court documents show that what happened is the police fired [almost] immediately. Are you confused with some other case? Did you refuse to read paragraphs submitted to the thread? Next, SWAT was called in because they thought wrongly he was inside the house. So, what did they do? They shot tear-gas canisters through the windows of the house. His dead body still didn't come out of the house. So, next, they set up their robot which takes quite a bit of time to set up. They sent that in to look around and then found that he was dead from the shots from a long time before the robot was there. Now, somewhere in there could SWAT have yelled over a megaphone for the dead body to come out with its hands up? Sure. That's possible, I suppose. BUT what the heck point are you trying to make that has any value whatsoever to anything? The guy was dead, a life ended. There's no soul, no afterlife, no second chances in this world for a bullet to the brain that ends in death. It's final. For all your hero-worship of police and apologetics, and fantasies that his wife put the gun in his back pocket, there's a dead guy whose life ended too soon with 3 kids, a young wife, probably savings for a home or kid college fund, $10K in funeral expenses, and police that shot to kill a guy on his own property. And you can't prove he had the unloaded gun out, you just want to believe it. To make this sad story go away so you can continue believing that police are the good guys and never make mistakes. No doubt ever. No skepticism can ever be acceptable to you.

Tried to talk, obviously they got no answer.