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Colin Kaepernick Campaign Gives Nike a Big Sales Boost

It doesn't matter how you show disgrace, quietly kneeling or shouting from the rooftops, but don't confuse the message. He is saying that the US does not deserve being honored. Yeah, that's not the whole message; there's something in there about black people being killed, but his cause is supremely smothered and has no relevence whatsoever when it's accompanied by intentional disrespect for our country--be it through quietly kneeling during an anthem or the burning of a flag, or pissing on the liberty bell.

There is a difference between showing disrespect and not showing respect. For a post about nuance you seem to be losing this nuance too.

Kaepernick is kneeling silently, not dropping trow and shitting on the flag.

Withholding respect to a symbol seems like a perfectly legitimate middle ground for drawing attention to the massive flaws the person sees in the thing it represents.

And BTW, the US government has done tons of truly disgraceful things. As much as some people are willing to turn a blind eye to those things to feel better about their 'team,' A lot of people aren't willing to live in that fantasy land. And that doesn't make them bad people.
 
When Kaepernick started he sat.

He was told that sitting showed disrespect.

A member of the military suggested to Kaepernick that he kneel since kneeling is how you show greater respect than standing.

Kaepernick was making a protest against current conditions and the so-called leaders that have created them and allow them.

Not a condemnation of the US in general.

Anybody that has a problem with a person kneeling quietly during a worthless out of place song is the problem here.

And cops killing unarmed people.
 
I could give a fuck what people do during the anthem, because I'm not a mindless authoritarian nationalist. At the same time I think Kapernick is an idiot who harmed his own cause by encouraging people not to vote and thus ensuring a Trump victory.

I also don't buy products because some corporation is trying to profit off a political sentiment that has nothing to do with the quality of the product. So I have no dog in this race regarding how this ad campaign will impact Nike's profit.

However, the ultimate impact of Nike's campaign cannot be determined for years. People who like the ad can run out immediately to buy Nike gear. People who do not like the ad cannot un-buy the Nike's they already bought. All they can do is not buy Nike the next time they need shoe's or athletic wear, which would be months to years from now. Thus, even if more people boycott Nike than support Nike because of the ad, the short term effect is guaranteed to be a boost in sales with a net drop in sales only showing up months to years later.
 
"We think we’ve discovered something. What we’ve discovered is that standing up against everything the Republican Party has become is really, really, really (+76 more reallys), really good for business. I understand how this can seem at odds with the image so popular right now that America is an evenly divided nation, but as we’ve learned this image does not reflect reality. And as much as it seems that the big issue right now is an out of control, possibly worse than racist presidency, that’s just the tip of the iceberg."

From a post by a company on Facbook. The whole post is in Hide tags because it's super long.


Penzeys post on Facebook said:
“What Was Nike Thinking?” Maybe this:

“If you are involved in a business that has been uncomfortable with the Republican attacks on human decency, there is really no better time to share those concerns with your customers than right now.”

A week ago the President tweeted “What Was Nike Thinking?” It’s hard to say for certain, and certainly the 30th anniversary of their “Just do it” campaign was in the works for far longer than two months, but I’m guessing what they were thinking was a whole lot like our 4th of July email/FB post.

And maybe a week ago they were more hoping than believing that just doing the right thing was the right thing to do. But this week, with their sales taking off and their stock more than recovered, I’m guessing they are now believing the same way we do. Below is a little shorter version of that email/post. If you know of anyone in marketing or running a business, or just looking for some hope for the future of our world, please forward this to them. It matters.

July 3rd when I wrote this, I’m sure not every business leader was ready to give these ideas serious thought. Now, a little more than two months later, thanks to the courage of those at Nike, this is the new reality everyone that sells a product or service to people must do their best to understand. Once drive-thru windows were a novelty, then almost overnight no one in that industry could survive without them. Standing in support of your customers’ values in these times of unlimited political spending may be that same game changer. To wait idly by while your competitors figure this out is no longer an option. I think the words below can help you to understand how this works.

And to all at Nike who made this happen, my hat is off to you. For us the risks are small; for you, huge. When the Penzey family gets out to visit our Beaverton Store, I would like to buy you all a beer. You are heroes. There is no more important struggle right now than the shift from profits through destroying our humanity to profits through defending our humanity. If we all succeed at this, all the rest of our problems will fall into place. Last week you moved the ball way down field to just where it needs to be. I thank you for your bravery.

July 3, 2018

Please share this with those you know in business, marketing and with other humans as well. —

We think we’ve discovered something. What we’ve discovered is that standing up against everything the Republican Party has become is really, really, really (+76 more reallys), really good for business. I understand how this can seem at odds with the image so popular right now that America is an evenly divided nation, but as we’ve learned this image does not reflect reality. And as much as it seems that the big issue right now is an out of control, possibly worse than racist presidency, that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

The real issue is the unlimited political spending that brought this President and so many other Republicans to power. Watching tv ads and reading comment sections it can seem like Republicans actually have popular support, but these days ads and comments are simply part of the many things unlimited political spending can buy. Yet from our experience what we’ve found political spending can’t buy is popularity.

This chart is our weekly online sales this year vs last year starting with the week of April 1st. It mostly is the tale of just two offers. The first was calling out the President for claiming that he was above the law; he isn’t, this is America where no one is above the law. No one can pardon themselves.

The second came with us pointing out that the Russia probe has to happen because: Our President chose a campaign chairman who had accepted $17 Million from a pro-Russia political party. This chairman personally picked the Vice President, who in turn went on to pick a literal Russian agent as our country’s top national security advisor, despite being clearly warned by our intelligence community about his past.

The first offer in the chart looks like two spikes because this is a weekly graph and that offer ran over a Saturday and Sunday. But that second offer, that big pyramid there, just ran for eighteen hours over a Thursday night. With that offer we received an eighty-fold increase in sales over the same time period last year. Along with the avalanche of orders we also got comments like: “Don’t mix business and politics, Bill. It’s bad for the bottom line.” “I was taught years ago, you don’t mix politics or religion with your business.” Yet look at the chart. This is not 80% growth, this is 80 times as much in sales!

In our experience we’ve found that when you honestly support and speak out for the values of your customers, your customers support you. Looking at how we evolved, humanity really is the gift of Cooks, and for people who cook to simply watch as Republicans use the power the money of unlimited spending has bought them to undermine education, attack the environment, take health insurance from the poor, dehumanize those deemed not white enough, and separate children from their parents simply for seeking asylum, these can be heartbreaking times. Speaking out now really matters.

If you are involved in a business that has been uncomfortable with the Republican attacks on human decency, there is really no better time to share those concerns with your customers than right now. Your country needs you to step up.

And if you are a marketer, please be aware that the times are changing. Maybe it’s time to stop saying young people can’t be reached and instead try to get your clients to look to the values young people hold dear. At some point some breakfast cereal maker is going to celebrate the bravery of Colin Kaepernick by having him taking a knee on the cover of their box. In that moment they will lose a third of their customers over 55* for what I imagine might be another year or two. In that moment they will also win all of the younger generations for all of the rest of their lives.

There’s talk right now about people no longer being interested in things but instead being interested in experiences. At Penzeys we sell Spices, the very things that have been selling continuously for longer than any other thing in human existence. I believe a big part of why Spices have the staying power they do is that they are experiences. Each Spice, every Seasoning connects us to a place, a time, an event that has at its heart our humanity — how we take care of each other. Make your product an experience, make your experience in some way radiate decency, compassion, and kindness and get ready to be busy.

Right now those on the frontlines of challenging what the Republican Party has become are being rewarded, and that’s a good thing. Unlimited political spending has taken away the vote from individuals and given it to corporations that seek profit from undermining the public good. It’s time for Americans to vote with our spending. My advice is to be a company worth voting for.

I believe what we’ve been experiencing is only the start of something much bigger. Business is an evolutionary process where the new things that work very quickly become what everyone needs simply to survive. This is not the time to be left behind.

Spend every day like it’s November 6th.

Bill Penzey

bill@penzeys.com

*I do regret the impact of this line: “In that moment they will lose a third of their customers over 55 for what I imagine might be another year or two.” I was trying to reach marketers and people responsible for making the numbers work for business, and in that world the 18-55 year-olds are the “coveted group.” And there is a reality to this. With wisdom the desire to spend money to impress strangers fades dramatically. That desire is pretty valuable to the marketing world.

Yet as much as the 55+ crowd does not spend like sailors on shore leave, they are the ones who marched us out of Vietnam/Nixon, are responsible for so many of our environmental successes, and with the 1.27.17 Women’s March taught us how to march again. This age group does have a higher percentage of Republican Party supporters, and I tried not to lump everyone in this age group together by saying “a third,” but many still felt lumped. I am sorry. At some point I will figure out a way to showcase the heroes in this generation. So much of the goodness in our lives comes directly from them.

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And Black Lives Matter. Racism is real in America and so much of where that racism is made real is through our justice system. To those creating the propaganda that taking a knee to bring awareness to this racism is an attack on Veterans and the flag—just stop already. As any Vietnam Veteran can tell you, through really painful stories, the well of support for those who serve in America is not limitless.

Falsely creating the sense that speaking out against racism disrespects our troops may seem clever to those in charge of the current Republican Party agenda, but it’s a lie and it’s damaging the lives and reputations of those very troops it pretends to support. Falsely equating serving our country with the silent support of racism will have real costs. And once again, the brunt of these cost won’t be born by those doing the damage, but by those who have sacrificed so much to serve. Just stop already. Black lives really do matter.

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If you like what we are doing please “Like us” and share this, not just with business leaders, but with everyone who might find value in it. And since we have this belief that cooking is about caring for others it means our posts now fall into the political category. Your comments go a long way to helping overcome the extra roadblocks to reaching people this category puts in our way.

And if you don’t want to miss a posting, please sign up for our email list at this link: http://spices.penzeys.com/coupon.html Right now we are featuring $2 really good Oregano and wonderfully rich Apple Pie Spice. We also have 2 1/4-Cup jars of our very popular Fox Point Seasoning (an $11.90 value) yours free with any $5 purchase. It’s part of our Fox Point not Fox News campaign, “Because Reality is so much more Tasty than Make Believe!”

Thanks again,

Bill

 
There is a difference between showing disrespect and not showing respect. For a post about nuance you seem to be losing this nuance too.
I'm the one that brought it up. If A is lacking respect and B is being disrespectful, B implies A while the inverse is untrue. The distinction is not lost on me.

Kaepernick is kneeling silently, not dropping trow and shitting on the flag.

That is a distinction of different sorts--and probably goes to the heart of why some fail to see the inherent disrespect he displays.

Withholding respect to a symbol seems like a perfectly legitimate middle ground for drawing attention to the massive flaws the person sees in the thing it represents.

Not showing respect and withholding respect are two different things. A child unaware of his actions is not withholding respect, yet is not showing respect. A pregnant mother that sits and holds her child may not stand to show respect, but what's in her heart is what matters. She holds no ill-will towards her country. She has respect whether she displays it or not.

And BTW, the US government has done tons of truly disgraceful things. As much as some people are willing to turn a blind eye to those things to feel better about their 'team,' A lot of people aren't willing to live in that fantasy land. And that doesn't make them bad people.
You either have loyalty or you don't. There are those that will put their hands over their heart or salute no matter what. If the US throws me to the wolves, it doesn't matter if I come back leading the pack or limping back in defeat, for when I'm called upon to say my peace, I'll have plenty to say, but like Ira Hayes, I'm going to be remembered for standing up for my country despite the evils it wrought upon me, not kneeling in disgust for it not adequately addressing the things it should.
 
Nobody should have loyalty to unarmed people getting shot by cops.

There is no reason to have any of this jingoistic bullshit at sporting events anyway.

Fuck the stupid national anthem.

It's a war song. A celebration of war.

It's not a song fit for decent peace loving humans.
 
A member of the military suggested to Kaepernick that he kneel since kneeling is how you show greater respect than standing.
Of course. Kneeling can be a great way to show respect. It's all about why you're doing it.

Exactly.

It is only about why he is doing it.

In response to unarmed people gunned down by the police.

A good cause in other words.

We can all cheer his noble effort for a good cause.
 
Nobody should have loyalty to unarmed people getting shot by cops.

There is no reason to have any of this jingoistic bullshit at sporting events anyway.

Fuck the stupid national anthem.

It's a war song. A celebration of war.

It's not a song fit for decent peace loving humans.


According to Chomsky, sports fandom is just training in irrational jingoism. I agree with him.
 
https://www.12up.com/posts/6169949-...-time-high-after-colin-kaepernick-endorsement

On Wednesday, Nike's stock closed ​at $83 per share, which is the highest in the company's history.

​​Well, there goes the main argument critics have used in recent weeks. Many of them were vocal on social media, claiming they will boycott the company and burn all of their merchandise as a form of protest.

Gosh, it's almost as if the "boycott" is having the opposite effect because most people see the yelling about kneeling as inherently racist.

Can this now be called the "Kaepernick Effect", like the Streisand Effect?
 
Also ... so what?

The US being high on the list is good, but that's not a reason to have people avoid protesting ways it could be better and pointing out the flaws which still exist.
Subtle.

I, for one, though not particularly fond of protests, am not objecting to protests, either in general or his protesting specifically. In other words, may he protest until his heart is content.

There are conditions though. If the manner in which it's performed is against the law (e.g. standing in highways), he or she must be punished regardless of right or wrong. I expect to be held to legal standards, not the next generation's shade of moral sickness.

If the manner of execution is legal, then he should shoulder no legal repercussions, but as it's been pointed out in numerous occasions to me, we are not free from the consequences of our actions. If people deem his actions disrespectful, then may his cards fall where they might.

The rate at which black men get killed by the police in your country is a massive stain on it and people in general (and black men in particular) should be as vocal as possible about that stain and this particular form of protest seems to be having a lot more impact than anything else they've tried to get other people to stop ignoring the issue.

That is not remotely relevant. When the question before a panel is whether or not someone was trespassing, any information regarding the purpose for why he was where he was is wholly immaterial and has no place being admitted before the panel in pursuit of answering that question. If this were a court of law, I'd say the information is inadmissible and has no place being before the jury.

What the protest is about (for all I care) is supremely off topic and can do nothing but muddle the issue.

I'm not objecting to there being a protest. I don't give a shit that he was kneeling. That he was silent while doing so has no impact on what I'm saying. I'll tell ya this though, whatever it is I am saying, it doesn't have jack shit about what the protest is about.

What I am saying is that he was a disrespectful piece of shit.
 
Nobody should have loyalty to unarmed people getting shot by cops.

There is no reason to have any of this jingoistic bullshit at sporting events anyway.

Fuck the stupid national anthem.

It's a war song. A celebration of war.

It's not a song fit for decent peace loving humans.

According to Chomsky, sports fandom is just training in irrational jingoism. I agree with him.

That's probably why I used that word.

I disagree a little with Chomsky.

I think celebration of the human physical potential is also an attraction of sports. It is not all jingoism. It does not have to be jingoism.

But today in these big money sports a lot of it is irrational jingoism.

Crazed fans that become absolutely hysterical based on the play of people they never met and do not know.
 
A member of the military suggested to Kaepernick that he kneel since kneeling is how you show greater respect than standing.
Of course. Kneeling can be a great way to show respect. It's all about why you're doing it.

Exactly.

It is only about why he is doing it.

In response to unarmed people gunned down by the police.

A good cause in other words.

We can all cheer his noble effort for a good cause.
I was more clear in the last tidbit in response to Tom
 
Exactly.

It is only about why he is doing it.

In response to unarmed people gunned down by the police.

A good cause in other words.

We can all cheer his noble effort for a good cause.

I was more clear in the last tidbit in response to Tom

There is nothing unclear here.

You are right.

It is ONLY about why he is respectfully kneeling.
 
So, Fast, it is either your way or it's shit?

As much as you might like to think it, someone treating a symbol you care about differently than you do is not de-facto "disrespect." You aren't the only person with well defined and ordered values and beliefs out there. Different opinions are not necessarily wrong just because you don't share them.
 
Are we far enough "down the road" yet?

Nike Crushes Expectations With Broad-Based Growth


Nike (NYSE:NKE) announced stellar fiscal second-quarter 2019 results on Thursday after the market closed, including stronger-than-expected thanks to the athletic footwear and sportswear giant's continued product innovation and execution of its strategic priorities.


With shares up nearly 8% in after-hours trading as of this writing, let's hit the ground running to get a better look at what drove Nike as it finished the first half.
 
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