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Cop Runs Down Suspect With His Car

 
 
 
Maybe I'm not seeing everything, but this particular case actually makes some sense to me. The suspect was known, his actions were known, he had previously fired his weapon and was walking toward a crowded place with a known and visible loaded rifle. I'm not seeing the same problems here that are so apparent with the others...
 
Rhea said:
Maybe I'm not seeing everything, but this particular case actually makes some sense to me. The suspect was known, his actions were known, he had previously fired his weapon and was walking toward a crowded place with a known and visible loaded rifle. I'm not seeing the same problems here that are so apparent with the others...
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Yeah, I'm thinking this was a righteous action by the cops too. Its still pretty heinous to watch.
 
ZiprHead said:
Rhea said:
Maybe I'm not seeing everything, but this particular case actually makes some sense to me. The suspect was known, his actions were known, he had previously fired his weapon and was walking toward a crowded place with a known and visible loaded rifle. I'm not seeing the same problems here that are so apparent with the others...
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Yeah, I'm thinking this was a righteous action by the cops too. Its still pretty heinous to watch.
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Aah, I didn't watch (bandwith restrictions) just read the text.
 
Wow. I wouldn't have thought of killing the guy with my car. Do that teach that at the academy?
 
NobleSavage said:
Wow. I wouldn't have thought of killing the guy with my car. Do that teach that at the academy?
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Well, he actually saved his life with his car. The guy is in perfect health in prison, otherwise he would have been a corpse with a lot of bullet holes.
 
Rhea said:
ZiprHead said:
Yeah, I'm thinking this was a righteous action by the cops too. Its still pretty heinous to watch.
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Aah, I didn't watch (bandwith restrictions) just read the text.
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I did watch the video, and I am not so certain it was "a righteous action by the cops". The officer in the lead car was specifically saying to stay back and was following the guy at a safe distance when a different police car roars up from behind, passes the first police car, then drives straight at the man at a high rate of speed.

I don't disagree that there could be situations wherein the police car could be used to relatively safely (for the cops) to take down a suspect. I'm not so sure this was a good example of that situation.

Maybe if the move had been coordinated between the cops via their radios, and maybe if the cop had not literally floored it to drive into the man - maybe then I would agree it was a reasonable action.

Without further information to better justify the cop's action, I don't think the move was reasonable, and it sounds like the cop in the lead car didn't either.

"Jesus Christ, man down."
 
I'm open to other better scenarios where this could play out without violence.
 
NobleSavage said:
I'm wondering if the air bag deployed in the cops car?
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From the in car video, it doesn't look like it. Modern airbag systems have active control systems with sensors that calculate speed and severity of impact. If the system calculates the seat belts are adequate for protection, the airbags don't go off. Getting smashed in the face by an airbag can be a danger in itself.
 
Rhea said:
Maybe I'm not seeing everything, but this particular case actually makes some sense to me. The suspect was known, his actions were known, he had previously fired his weapon and was walking toward a crowded place with a known and visible loaded rifle. I'm not seeing the same problems here that are so apparent with the others...
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Yeah. First time I saw it it was just the short vid of the cop running the guy down and I was like, WTF?!?!

Then today, they showed the guy stealing a rifle and ammo, walking the streets with a loaded gun, firing in the air whenever the cops came close, threatening to shoot himself and being very close to very public areas.

Man was obviously very unstable and he was armed and obviously willing to use his gun.

After I saw that, I was like "Go ahead and run him down."

The cop isn't being disciplined.
 
Rhea said:
Maybe I'm not seeing everything, but this particular case actually makes some sense to me. The suspect was known, his actions were known, he had previously fired his weapon and was walking toward a crowded place with a known and visible loaded rifle. I'm not seeing the same problems here that are so apparent with the others...
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Yeah. It certainly sounds like a lethal-force-authorized situation, there's no rule saying you can only use a gun if you have to use force. If the best way to remove the threat is running him down then run him down. You won't have any stray bullets going downrange that way.
 
NobleSavage said:
I'm wondering if the air bag deployed in the cops car?
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It doesn't appear the air bags deployed, which seems strange given that the cop drove through a concrete block wall too. My thought is that this means, regardless how dramatic the video is, perhaps the cop really wasn't moving at a high rate of speed.

I would very much like to hear what, if any, plan the lead police officer had for stopping the man with the gun. He clearly didn't expect or want the other patrol car to speed past and run the guy over. But I doubt we will ever hear anything more about the incident except that they acted appropriately.

One thing the department chief (Terry Rozema) said that does make sense - he noted that the guy with the gun was "15 seconds away from entering one of the businesses" - you can see what looks like an office building right on the other side of the low concrete wall - "and if we don't do something and somebody gets hurt then clearly we are answering a different question about 'why didn't you save my loved one'. So I'd much rather be answering the question of 'did you use force a little bit too early' as opposed to waiting too late and having innocent lives in danger."
 
RavenSky said:
NobleSavage said:
I'm wondering if the air bag deployed in the cops car?
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It doesn't appear the air bags deployed, which seems strange given that the cop drove through a concrete block wall too. My thought is that this means, regardless how dramatic the video is, perhaps the cop really wasn't moving at a high rate of speed.

I would very much like to hear what, if any, plan the lead police officer had for stopping the man with the gun. He clearly didn't expect or want the other patrol car to speed past and run the guy over. But I doubt we will ever hear anything more about the incident except that they acted appropriately.

One thing the department chief (Terry Rozema) said that does make sense - he noted that the guy with the gun was "15 seconds away from entering one of the businesses" - you can see what looks like an office building right on the other side of the low concrete wall - "and if we don't do something and somebody gets hurt then clearly we are answering a different question about 'why didn't you save my loved one'. So I'd much rather be answering the question of 'did you use force a little bit too early' as opposed to waiting too late and having innocent lives in danger."
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And what should the cops have done, stand down and wait for him to kill someone to get the cops to shoot him?
 
Loren Pechtel said:
RavenSky said:
It doesn't appear the air bags deployed, which seems strange given that the cop drove through a concrete block wall too. My thought is that this means, regardless how dramatic the video is, perhaps the cop really wasn't moving at a high rate of speed.

I would very much like to hear what, if any, plan the lead police officer had for stopping the man with the gun. He clearly didn't expect or want the other patrol car to speed past and run the guy over. But I doubt we will ever hear anything more about the incident except that they acted appropriately.

One thing the department chief (Terry Rozema) said that does make sense - he noted that the guy with the gun was "15 seconds away from entering one of the businesses" - you can see what looks like an office building right on the other side of the low concrete wall - "and if we don't do something and somebody gets hurt then clearly we are answering a different question about 'why didn't you save my loved one'. So I'd much rather be answering the question of 'did you use force a little bit too early' as opposed to waiting too late and having innocent lives in danger."
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And what should the cops have done, stand down and wait for him to kill someone to get the cops to shoot him?
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Where did I say anything in that post to lead you to your silly outburst? Answer: I didn't :rolleyes:
 
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