Cop Tases Black City Councilman

[Deepak]

Police were starting to question the other partygoers and he kept putting himself in the conversation. They asked him to "C his way" out of the conversation, but he wouldn't.

He kind of did and even moved away when they said so just not as much as someone wanted him to. But regardless, the orders issued seem to have been illegitimate. Citizens (and anyone else for that matter) need not follow illegitimate orders. If you then get into trouble for not following illegitimate orders, it is illegal. This applies to both soldiers and citizens. If a soldier is told to torture and he refuses to obey informing his superior it is illegitimate and his superior punishes him, the superior will be accountable to the law. Likewise, if a police officer illegitimately (for example with no reasonable suspicion or probable cause) orders someone around on their own property to move this way and that and then gives physical consequences for non-compliance, it is illegal. The illegitimacy can be observed by the police explanation "we think boys and girls are up to no good sometimes around here or whatever" or whatever similar thing they said. That is nowhere specific enough to be a reasonable suspicion and clearly does not meet anywhere near the requirements of the fourth amendment.

While that's technically true, you're never going to win this argument outside of a courtroom.

My recommendation to anyone considering this is to verify that the issue you're making your stand on really truly violates your conscience. Because you're probably going to eat a knuckle sandwich, lose your freedom (if only temporarily), or worst case be killed.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Because the person who started this thread decided it was important to mention the race of the man, ensuring a long, unproductive discussion revolving around who can prove whom to be the most 'racist'.

Not atypical for said person.

Obviously the race of the victims was brought up because the OP poster thought it was important given the locale of the incident. Perhaps in your zeal to find the productive discussion, you zipped past the actual content of the OP.

She brought up the race because she thought this incident was racially motivated.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The rules against unreasonable search and seizure protect you from the cop coming into your house to have a look around. They don't in any way impede a cop reacting to what appears to be ongoing criminal activity.

Black people dancing is not ongoing criminal activity.

It could be--disturbing the peace.

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Back when discrimination was ubiquitous it did help white people--white people got a disproportionate share of the pie compared to their contributions.

That hasn't existed since the 80s or perhaps even the 70s.

It's funny; back in the '90s, people were saying that that hadn't existed since the 60s or perhaps even the 50s.

50s is crazy--that was before affirmative action was implemented. It was affirmative action that broke the back of discrimination. I don't think we have a good measure of just how fast it was broken, though, so we can't say at what point the white advantage disappeared. (The data is muddled by the lingering effects of past discrimination.)

 

[bilby]

Black people dancing is not ongoing criminal activity.

It could be--disturbing the peace.

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Back when discrimination was ubiquitous it did help white people--white people got a disproportionate share of the pie compared to their contributions.

That hasn't existed since the 80s or perhaps even the 70s.

It's funny; back in the '90s, people were saying that that hadn't existed since the 60s or perhaps even the 50s.

50s is crazy--that was before affirmative action was implemented. It was affirmative action that broke the back of discrimination. I don't think we have a good measure of just how fast it was broken, though, so we can't say at what point the white advantage disappeared. (The data is muddled by the lingering effects of past discrimination.)

The data is muddled even further by the false premise that something still prevalent has disappeared. That often makes it surprisingly difficult to pinpoint the date at which it ended; it's rather like trying to work out whether the Sun went out in the 1950s, or whether it didn't disappear until the 1990s. Finding evidence to support either position is remarkably difficult.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Black people dancing is not ongoing criminal activity.

It could be--disturbing the peace.

Nice try, but no one called in a noise complaint.

 

[JonA]

No one is blaming the OPer for anything....blah blah blah ..

Again, which picture book do you use to generate your unintelligent responses to this thread?

Everyone can read our exchange for themselves; and they know I made no accusations or placed no blame but only explained why the topic was what it was.

It's that simple.

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Since almost everyone in Prairie View is black, the police probably end up treating a lot of black people that way.

Do those people get buried in the black cemetery or the white one?

Huh?

 

[JonA]

How does any of that help white people?

It's obviously, if true, detrimental to blacks. But how does detrimental to blacks = beneficial to whites?

It lets us maintain an illusion of superiority. It lets us believe that obviously black folks deserve the bad schools, bad neighborhoods, the arrests and long prison sentences for the same things we maybe get a warning for doing. It lets us believe we deserve all the good things we have--because we earned them. And so, black people must also deserve what they get, too. Even if it is a taser in their own back yard for going to their own vehicle. Or getting shot in less than 2 seconds for not understanding and instantly obeying orders shouted at you.

It lets us not feel guilty about our own prejudices against blacks. It can't be prejudice if it's true, right? And if it weren't true, then they wouldn't get arrested so much, would they? Besides, mostly the get killed by other black people, not by nice, white cops. Still sometimes, they have enough gumption to come after us white folks so we have got to be careful. Can't be too careful.

It lets us feel good about being us. And grateful we are not black.

Again, those are things that are bad for blacks.

But bad for blacks doesn't necessarily mean good for whites.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Since almost everyone in Prairie View is black, the police probably end up treating a lot of black people that way.

Do those people get buried in the black cemetery or the white one?

Huh?

Did you watch the video?