Cops called on 12-year old paperboy on first day of deliveries.

[Underseer]

https://www.pluralist.com/posts/144...n-first-day-of-his-paper-route/partners/43955

Guess the race of the paperboy! Go on, guess!

For those conservatives and libertarians who coincidentally happen to be using the same arguments to take the same positions on the same issues, I'll assume that you find this reasonable. I also assume you find it reasonable that this doesn't happen to white 12-year old paperboys. Would you care to give us the conservative and libertarian who coincidentally happen to be using the same arguments to take the same positions on the same issues perspective on why this is reasonable when the paperboy is one race, but not reasonable when the paperboy is a different race?

 

[laughing dog]

What is going on in Ohio that is creating all of this fear?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Has Underseer been visiting Ohio?

 

[fast]

Maybe the caller was blind to her own rush to judgement. Suppose she didn't consciously factor in race but did so subconsciously. For instance, she may genuinely claim that her suspicions would have been the same had the boy been white, but what she may not realize is that had the boy been white, she may have took a pause to take an extra second or two to size up what was actually happening. She could have unknowingly not given such a pass to the black boy that she would have -- had the boy been white.

This isn't to say it was unreasonable to call, but it's a reminder to take an extra moment to self reflect and judge thy ownself to make sure there's no internal biases at work. Pure and wild speculation on my part not knowing anything about any of the people involved, but I present it nevertheless as a thought that may happen to sometimes apply elsewhere.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I have a Swedish friend who worked in Ohio for a couple of years. He said that it's the least intellectually curious people he'd ever met. The conversations he had there were the dumbest in his life.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

I have a Swedish friend who worked in Ohio for a couple of years. He said that it's the least intellectually curious people he'd ever met. The conversations he had there were the dumbest in his life.

What part of the state? Southern Ohio is just an extension of “Pennsyltucky”, while other parts of the state are the polar opposite.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Why can't people check their own stupidity?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So looking at them long enough to become suspicious... but not long enough to see him with plastic bags with a paper in each? They probably stood out because they were going slow and stopping often to drop off a paper... but possibly to also case the joints. These blacks are becoming very sneaky at this... mowing lawns, delivering papers... all in an attempt to find the best places to rob.

Maybe the caller was blind to her own rush to judgement. Suppose she didn't consciously factor in race but did so subconsciously. For instance, she may genuinely claim that her suspicions would have been the same had the boy been white, but what she may not realize is that had the boy been white, she may have took a pause to take an extra second or two to size up what was actually happening. She could have unknowingly not given such a pass to the black boy that she would have -- had the boy been white.

This isn't to say it was unreasonable to call, but it's a reminder to take an extra moment to self reflect and judge thy ownself to make sure there's no internal biases at work. Pure and wild speculation on my part not knowing anything about any of the people involved, but I present it nevertheless as a thought that may happen to sometimes apply elsewhere.

You work for Cirque du Soliel?

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I have a Swedish friend who worked in Ohio for a couple of years. He said that it's the least intellectually curious people he'd ever met. The conversations he had there were the dumbest in his life.

What part of the state? Southern Ohio is just an extension of “Pennsyltucky”, while other parts of the state are the polar opposite.

The lawn mower was in Maple Heights near Cleveland... as was the alleged wannabe bomber. Ohio has blue sections, but it switches to deep red pretty quickly.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

So looking at them long enough to become suspicious... but not long enough to see him with plastic bags with a paper in each? They probably stood out because they were going slow and stopping often to drop off a paper... but possibly to also case the joints. These blacks are becoming very sneaky at this... mowing lawns, delivering papers... all in an attempt to find the best places to rob.

I guess it could be worse. They could call the police and a black police officer could show up. Then, they could imagine that is part of the whole black conspiracy and call again until they get a white police officer.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

"The caller reported seeing one of the people approach a home empty-handed but leave holding something," the statement read in part. "The first officer to arrive quickly determined it was a team of people delivering printed advertising materials and reported back that there was no issue."

Sharp's experience is the latest in a string of ​highly publicized incidents involving black people ​having the police ​called on them. Some critics say such occurrences are indicative of an epidemic of ​racial bias in America.

We can presume this to be racism and widely publicize outrage over it, but can't call it racism when numerous Asian students with higher test scores are passed over for black students with lower test scores?

why this is reasonable when the paperboy is one race, but not reasonable when the paperboy is a different race?

I suspect this may be racially motivated, but you haven't presented data to firmly reach that conclusion. There may be plenty of black paper boys who go without incident. There may be white paperboys who get reported for taking stuff but nobody presumes it is racial. You don't know confidently one way or the other.

This isn't like the asian student applicants of which there are multiple with objective test scores to compare to black student applicants of which there multiple with objective test scores to compare.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

"The caller reported seeing one of the people approach a home empty-handed but leave holding something," the statement read in part. "The first officer to arrive quickly determined it was a team of people delivering printed advertising materials and reported back that there was no issue."

Sharp's experience is the latest in a string of ​highly publicized incidents involving black people ​having the police ​called on them. Some critics say such occurrences are indicative of an epidemic of ​racial bias in America.

We can presume this to be racism and widely publicize outrage over it, but can't call it racism when numerous Asian students with higher test scores are passed over for black students with lower test scores?

why this is reasonable when the paperboy is one race, but not reasonable when the paperboy is a different race?

I suspect this may be racially motivated, but you haven't presented data to firmly reach that conclusion. There may be plenty of black paper boys who go without incident. There may be white paperboys who get reported for taking stuff but nobody presumes it is racial. You don't know confidently one way or the other.

This isn't like the asian student applicants of which there are multiple with objective test scores to compare to black student applicants of which there multiple with objective test scores to compare.

Your hobby horse would have a parallel if you could demonstrate that an Asian's application for school was shredded because it said Asian on his transcript.

 

[ideologyhunter]

No mistake 'bout it, we have our crackers in Ohio. I-70 is a dividing line -- south of I-70, the extra 'r' tends to appear in 'garage' and it becomes 'gararge.' Also, as in the delightful South, people tend to be "fixin" to do something.
This incident happened in Upper Arlington, which is about 4 miles north of I-70, so close enough to fit my theory, I guess. But my impression of the place is that it isn't a gararge locale, it's an upscale Columbus neighborhood. So throw out my sociology. Our state went Trumpy in '16. Does anyone honestly think this episode couldn't have happened in any of the 50 states?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Your hobby horse would have a parallel if you could demonstrate that an Asian's application for school was shredded because it said Asian on his transcript.

They look at more than transcript, and explicitly argue, and have won that argument at your Supreme Court level that race can be taken into consideration.

Now imagine somebody here saying that the fact the paperboy is black is ok to take into consideration; that it isnt fair to judge him a thief solely based on his race, but is fair to take into consideration as a factor. Would be rather disgusting wouldnt it?

Now read Grutter v Bollinger and Fisher v Texas....

The Court held that a race-conscious admissions process that may favor "underrepresented minority groups", but that also took into account many other factors evaluated on an individual basis for every applicant, did not amount to a quota system that would have been unconstitutional under Regents of the University of California v. Bakke.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Your hobby horse would have a parallel if you could demonstrate that an Asian's application for school was shredded because it said Asian on his transcript.

They look at more than transcript...

Then your hobby horse comment is a derail.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No mistake 'bout it, we have our crackers in Ohio. I-70 is a dividing line...

I wish. Once you are south of Canton it is very Trumpy... and most stuff west of I-71, except a sliver along the Lake is deep red as well. Pretty simple, look at the map. If you don't want to live there in Ohio, it probably is red, at worst purple. The very wealthy portion of Akron, actually voted for Clinton. Bath (think Lebron James) was probably more purple.

 

[laughing dog]

This isn't like the asian student applicants of which there are multiple with objective test scores to compare to black student applicants of which there multiple with objective test scores to compare.

No, it is not. Which means it is irrelevant.

On the otherhand, unless you have information that the police are routinely called on paperboys in general, including white paper boys, this incident does appear to be racially motivated. Of course, without going back into time and into the caller's head at the time of the call, we will never know with certainty.

 

[scombrid]

No mistake 'bout it, we have our crackers in Ohio. I-70 is a dividing line...

I wish. Once you are south of Canton it is very Trumpy... and most stuff west of I-71, except a sliver along the Lake is deep red as well. Pretty simple, look at the map. If you don't want to live there in Ohio, it probably is red, at worst purple. The very wealthy portion of Akron, actually voted for Clinton. Bath (think Lebron James) was probably more purple.

Akron.

Makes me think of Ernest Angley. Can't believe he is still kicking around.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No mistake 'bout it, we have our crackers in Ohio. I-70 is a dividing line...

I wish. Once you are south of Canton it is very Trumpy... and most stuff west of I-71, except a sliver along the Lake is deep red as well. Pretty simple, look at the map. If you don't want to live there in Ohio, it probably is red, at worst purple. The very wealthy portion of Akron, actually voted for Clinton. Bath (think Lebron James) was probably more purple.

Akron.

Makes me think of Ernest Angley. Can't believe he is still kicking around.

He and his Tower of the Perpetual Erection are in Cuyahoga Falls.

 

[fromderinside]

Kushinich. a name that sounds like it need a "Bless you" response, typifies N Ohio political leanings, launched his 2020 campaign in traditional fashion with a loss in democratic gubenatorial primary. https://slate.com/news-and-politics...still-the-future-of-the-democratic-party.html

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Kushinich. a name that sounds like it need a "Bless you" response, typifies N Ohio political leanings, launched his 2020 campaign in traditional fashion with a loss in democratic gubenatorial primary. https://slate.com/news-and-politics...still-the-future-of-the-democratic-party.html

I was a bit nervous when he was running for Governor because the polls seemed undecided. Kuccinich hasn't really done well outside of a liberal district and I don't think he would have won the statewide race. I wasn't aware he wasn't giving up politics (or at least running in it). This guy needs to step aside.