Covid-19 miscellany

repoman · Mar 2, 2022

Ouch, she should be reimbursed and even paid a few hundred dollars extra. I don't care where the money comes from, PAY HER!

Days stranded in Mexico and $2,000 later, Atlanta woman with lupus who falsely tested positive for COVID wants others to learn from her experience

All false positive monetary losses need punitive reimbursement.

Rhea · Mar 2, 2022

How would you know they are false positives?

Loren Pechtel · Mar 2, 2022

repoman said:
Ouch, she should be reimbursed and even paid a few hundred dollars extra. I don't care where the money comes from, PAY HER!

Days stranded in Mexico and $2,000 later, Atlanta woman with lupus who falsely tested positive for COVID wants others to learn from her experience

All false positive monetary losses need punitive reimbursement.

There is no such thing as a perfect test. All tests have both false positives and false negatives. And note she has no evidence that it was a false positive in the first place--her experience is perfectly well explained by a very mild, asymptomatic case.

Don2 (Don1 Revised) · Mar 2, 2022

Article about new deer variant:

An Omicron-like variant of the virus that causes Covid-19 -- one that appears to be highly divergent from circulating strains and sticks out on a long branch of the virus' family tree -- has been discovered in a population of white-tailed deer in Ontario, Canada, according to a new study.

The same strain has also been found in a person from the same area who had confirmed contact with deer.

The researchers who first characterized what they are calling the Ontario WTD clade say it's difficult to determine how this lineage evolved because it seems to have gone along unnoticed and unsampled in the background of the pandemic for almost a year. They speculate that it spilled over from humans to deer and then back to at least one human.

Jimmy Higgins · Mar 3, 2022

Plague deers?

Don2 (Don1 Revised) · Mar 3, 2022

Jimmy Higgins said:
Plague deers?

What are the odds of that? Had to be intelligently designed by the Canadians.

Metaphor · Mar 4, 2022

140 million Americans have had COVID-19, according to seroprevalence studies

43% of Americans—140 million—have had COVID, CDC estimates

About 37 million infected in omicron wave, and 58% of kids were infected at some point.

arstechnica.com

Metaphor · Mar 4, 2022

Update, again all 7-day averages, and peaks refer to current wave (all time refers to highest of any wave).

Latest daily new cases and deaths continue to fall, unfortunately daily new cases are falling very slowly.

New cases:

Latest worldwide     1.51m (daily - 4 Mar 2022)
Peak worldwide       3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022)
All time worldwide   3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022)

Latest US        55k (daily - 3 Mar 2022)
Peak US         807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022)
All time US     807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022)

Deaths:

Latest worldwide      7,391 (daily - 4 Mar 2022)
Peak worldwide       10,926 (daily - 10 Feb 2022)
All time worldwide   14,706 (daily - 26 Jan 2021)

Latest US     1,672 (daily - 3 Mar 2022)
Peak US       2,670 (daily - 1 Feb 2022)
All time US   3,347 (daily - 13 Jan 2021)

repoman · Mar 4, 2022

No way that as little as 37 million infected with omicron.

Hermit · Mar 4, 2022

Metaphor said:

Update, again all 7-day averages, and peaks refer to current wave (all time refers to highest of any wave).

Latest daily new cases and deaths continue to fall, unfortunately daily new cases are falling very slowly.

New cases:

Latest worldwide     1.51m (daily - 4 Mar 2022)
Peak worldwide       3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022)
All time worldwide   3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022)

Latest US        55k (daily - 3 Mar 2022)
Peak US         807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022)
All time US     807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022)

Deaths:

Latest worldwide      7,391 (daily - 4 Mar 2022)
Peak worldwide       10,926 (daily - 10 Feb 2022)
All time worldwide   14,706 (daily - 26 Jan 2021)

Latest US     1,672 (daily - 3 Mar 2022)
Peak US       2,670 (daily - 1 Feb 2022)
All time US   3,347 (daily - 13 Jan 2021)

Yes, daily new cases and deaths continue to fall. What is your point? Is it possibly that we cannot expect a fifth peak of new cases and a sixth peak of new deaths, therefore the pandemic is about to fizzle out?

Metaphor · Mar 4, 2022

repoman said:
No way that as little as 37 million infected with omicron.

The data is only until the end of January so does not include any cases after that.

Metaphor · Mar 4, 2022

Hermit said:
Metaphor said:

Update, again all 7-day averages, and peaks refer to current wave (all time refers to highest of any wave).

Latest daily new cases and deaths continue to fall, unfortunately daily new cases are falling very slowly.

New cases:
Latest worldwide 1.51m (daily - 4 Mar 2022) Peak worldwide 3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022) All time worldwide 3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022) Latest US 55k (daily - 3 Mar 2022) Peak US 807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022) All time US 807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022) Deaths: Latest worldwide 7,391 (daily - 4 Mar 2022) Peak worldwide 10,926 (daily - 10 Feb 2022) All time worldwide 14,706 (daily - 26 Jan 2021) Latest US 1,672 (daily - 3 Mar 2022) Peak US 2,670 (daily - 1 Feb 2022) All time US 3,347 (daily - 13 Jan 2021)

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Yes, daily new cases and deaths continue to fall. What is your point?

My purpose is to inform, and not have to have people scroll back to the previous update to see the comparison.

If my updates upset you for some reason, could you explain why?

Hermit · Mar 4, 2022

Metaphor said:
Hermit said:

Metaphor said:

Update, again all 7-day averages, and peaks refer to current wave (all time refers to highest of any wave).

Latest daily new cases and deaths continue to fall, unfortunately daily new cases are falling very slowly.

New cases:
Latest worldwide 1.51m (daily - 4 Mar 2022) Peak worldwide 3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022) All time worldwide 3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022) Latest US 55k (daily - 3 Mar 2022) Peak US 807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022) All time US 807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022) Deaths: Latest worldwide 7,391 (daily - 4 Mar 2022) Peak worldwide 10,926 (daily - 10 Feb 2022) All time worldwide 14,706 (daily - 26 Jan 2021) Latest US 1,672 (daily - 3 Mar 2022) Peak US 2,670 (daily - 1 Feb 2022) All time US 3,347 (daily - 13 Jan 2021)

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Yes, daily new cases and deaths continue to fall. What is your point?

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My purpose is to inform, and not have to have people scroll back to the previous update to see the comparison.

What is the point of reporting the statistics in the first place? Is it possibly that we cannot expect a fifth peak of new cases and a sixth peak of new deaths, therefore the pandemic is about to fizzle out?

Metaphor · Mar 5, 2022

Hermit said:
Metaphor said:

Hermit said:

Metaphor said:

Update, again all 7-day averages, and peaks refer to current wave (all time refers to highest of any wave).

Latest daily new cases and deaths continue to fall, unfortunately daily new cases are falling very slowly.

New cases:
Latest worldwide 1.51m (daily - 4 Mar 2022) Peak worldwide 3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022) All time worldwide 3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022) Latest US 55k (daily - 3 Mar 2022) Peak US 807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022) All time US 807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022) Deaths: Latest worldwide 7,391 (daily - 4 Mar 2022) Peak worldwide 10,926 (daily - 10 Feb 2022) All time worldwide 14,706 (daily - 26 Jan 2021) Latest US 1,672 (daily - 3 Mar 2022) Peak US 2,670 (daily - 1 Feb 2022) All time US 3,347 (daily - 13 Jan 2021)

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Yes, daily new cases and deaths continue to fall. What is your point?

Click to expand...

My purpose is to inform, and not have to have people scroll back to the previous update to see the comparison.

Click to expand...

What is the point of reporting the statistics in the first place? Is it possibly that we cannot expect a fifth peak of new cases and a sixth peak of new deaths, therefore the pandemic is about to fizzle out?

It's a COVID-19 miscellany thread. It seems to me it is quite on topic. If you do not find value in the updates, why not simply move on? Do my updates harm or offend you?

Hermit · Mar 5, 2022

Metaphor said:
Hermit said:

Metaphor said:

Hermit said:

Metaphor said:

Update, again all 7-day averages, and peaks refer to current wave (all time refers to highest of any wave).

Latest daily new cases and deaths continue to fall, unfortunately daily new cases are falling very slowly.

New cases:
Latest worldwide 1.51m (daily - 4 Mar 2022) Peak worldwide 3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022) All time worldwide 3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022) Latest US 55k (daily - 3 Mar 2022) Peak US 807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022) All time US 807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022) Deaths: Latest worldwide 7,391 (daily - 4 Mar 2022) Peak worldwide 10,926 (daily - 10 Feb 2022) All time worldwide 14,706 (daily - 26 Jan 2021) Latest US 1,672 (daily - 3 Mar 2022) Peak US 2,670 (daily - 1 Feb 2022) All time US 3,347 (daily - 13 Jan 2021)

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Yes, daily new cases and deaths continue to fall. What is your point?

Click to expand...

My purpose is to inform, and not have to have people scroll back to the previous update to see the comparison.

Click to expand...

What is the point of reporting the statistics in the first place? Is it possibly that we cannot expect a fifth peak of new cases and a sixth peak of new deaths, therefore the pandemic is about to fizzle out?

Click to expand...

It's a COVID-19 miscellany thread. It seems to me it is quite on topic. If you do not find value in the updates, why not simply move on?

The value of statistics consists of predictions you can derive from them. So, again: Is the current downward trend of new cases and new deaths evidence that we cannot expect a fifth peak of new cases and a sixth peak of new deaths evidence that the pandemic is about to fizzle out?

Metaphor · Mar 5, 2022

Hermit said:
Metaphor said:

Hermit said:

Metaphor said:

Hermit said:

Metaphor said:

Update, again all 7-day averages, and peaks refer to current wave (all time refers to highest of any wave).

Latest daily new cases and deaths continue to fall, unfortunately daily new cases are falling very slowly.

New cases:
Latest worldwide 1.51m (daily - 4 Mar 2022) Peak worldwide 3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022) All time worldwide 3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022) Latest US 55k (daily - 3 Mar 2022) Peak US 807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022) All time US 807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022) Deaths: Latest worldwide 7,391 (daily - 4 Mar 2022) Peak worldwide 10,926 (daily - 10 Feb 2022) All time worldwide 14,706 (daily - 26 Jan 2021) Latest US 1,672 (daily - 3 Mar 2022) Peak US 2,670 (daily - 1 Feb 2022) All time US 3,347 (daily - 13 Jan 2021)

Click to expand...

Yes, daily new cases and deaths continue to fall. What is your point?

Click to expand...

My purpose is to inform, and not have to have people scroll back to the previous update to see the comparison.

Click to expand...

What is the point of reporting the statistics in the first place? Is it possibly that we cannot expect a fifth peak of new cases and a sixth peak of new deaths, therefore the pandemic is about to fizzle out?

Click to expand...

It's a COVID-19 miscellany thread. It seems to me it is quite on topic. If you do not find value in the updates, why not simply move on?

Click to expand...

The value of statistics consists of predictions you can derive from them.

Prediction is a benefit, but it's not the primary benefit. The value of statistics is in informing people about the past and present. If you find no value in it, I will ask you to move on, instead of attacking me.

Hermit said:
So, again: Is the current downward trend of new cases and new deaths evidence that we cannot expect a fifth peak of new cases and a sixth peak of new deaths evidence that the pandemic is about to fizzle out?

No. When and where did I imply or say they were?

Hermit · Mar 5, 2022

Metaphor said:
Hermit said:

Metaphor said:

Hermit said:

What is the point of reporting the statistics in the first place? Is it possibly that we cannot expect a fifth peak of new cases and a sixth peak of new deaths, therefore the pandemic is about to fizzle out?

Click to expand...

It's a COVID-19 miscellany thread. It seems to me it is quite on topic. If you do not find value in the updates, why not simply move on?

Click to expand...

The value of statistics consists of predictions you can derive from them.

Click to expand...

Prediction is a benefit, but it's not the primary benefit. The value of statistics is in informing people about the past and present.

"Just for information" then. I believe you. Thousands wouldn't, but I do.

Metaphor said:
If you find no value in it, I will ask you to move on,

Ask whatever you like.

Metaphor said:
instead of attacking me.

I recommend you familiarise yourself with the difference between commenting on posts and commenting on the poster. At any rate, I have done neither. I have only asked you why you report the fall of daily new cases and deaths. A personal attack, to illustrate the difference, would be to call you a cowardly moron. Hope that helps.

Metaphor said:
Hermit said:

So, again: Is the current downward trend of new cases and new deaths evidence that we cannot expect a fifth peak of new cases and a sixth peak of new deaths evidence that the pandemic is about to fizzle out?

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No.

OK. The current downward trend of new cases and new deaths is not evidence that we cannot expect a fifth peak of new cases and a sixth peak of new deaths evidence that the pandemic is about to fizzle out.

Metaphor said:
When and where did I imply or say they were?

You didn't say anything. That is exactly why I keep asking what you think the current downward trend of new cases and new deaths means.

Hermit · Mar 5, 2022

Angra Mainyu said:
...hostility on your part...

Ah. The tone police strikes again.

Loren Pechtel · Mar 5, 2022

repoman said:
No way that as little as 37 million infected with omicron.

Two things.

1) There is no question we seriously undercounted Omicron--our testing ability got swamped.

2) How many of those Omicron infections were of people who already got it before? Seroprevalence isn't going to count them.

repoman · Mar 5, 2022

Loren Pechtel said:
repoman said:

No way that as little as 37 million infected with omicron.

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Two things.

1) There is no question we seriously undercounted Omicron--our testing ability got swamped.

2) How many of those Omicron infections were of people who already got it before? Seroprevalence isn't going to count them.

You mean got it again as in got it deep in their system again or had a second infection that was a glancing blow and only tested positive because of high PCR cycles?

And by it, do you mean omicron twice or omicron after a different strain?

On the other side, I assume that the vaccines also make the PRC cycles lower upon exposure to covid.

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