Covid-19 miscellany

[Loren Pechtel]

And there are people who do not ge the discomfort that you (complainers) get.

Not according to Loren. People who don't like masks are lying or brainwashed or both.

I accept that others have mask reactions different to mine. I've discussed it at someone with work, who sometimes wears a mask on his own in the car because he forgets about it. Nobody could forget about a mask if it bothered them, so I accept it didn't bother him. And he did not have the temerity to tell me my corporal reaction to masking was a lie.

I'm not saying it's a lie, I'm saying you were told they're horrible so you don't relax and get used to them.

It also helps if you wear the good stuff that's stiff enough to hold it's shape and only touch around the edges.

 

[Metaphor]

Update, all 7-day averages, and peaks refer to current wave (all time refers to highest of any wave).

Worldwide cases and deaths continue to fall.

New cases:

Latest worldwide 703k (daily - 24 Apr 2022)

Peak worldwide 3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022)

All time worldwide 3.44m (daily - 24 Jan 2022)


Latest US 48k (daily - 16 Mar 2022)

Peak US 807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022)

All time US 807k (daily - 14 Jan 2022)


Deaths:


Latest worldwide 2,785 (daily - 24 Apr 2022)

Peak worldwide 10,926 (daily - 10 Feb 2022)

All time worldwide 14,706 (daily - 26 Jan 2021)


Latest US 354 (daily - 24 Apr 2022)

Peak US 2,670 (daily - 1 Feb 2022)

All time US 3,347 (daily - 13 Jan 2021)

 

[scombrid]

The thing with masks is that they work but there is no reason to use them when driving alone or when walking around outside, unless there is a crowd. I routinely see people walking around, no other pedestrians in the vicinity, and they still have their masks on for no reason. Isn
t it uncomfortable to breathe like that while walking for them? I don't get it. I wear my mask in the grocery store, but as soon as I get out into fresh air I take it off.

I agree and I do the same thing, but I do have some friends who always wear their masks, even when unnecessary. I don't judge them. If someone wants to wear a mask all day, who cares?

My Jersey sister told me yesterday that she loves wearing her mask. It makes her feel more self confident as she feels like it makes her look younger. Whatever floats your boat. I've also read that some teenagers who are very self conscious prefer to wear a mask. It covers up their acne or whatever part of their faces they feel insecure about. So, I guess we will see people wearing masks for reasons other than COVID. A few times I've left mine on outdoors on cold days because it kept my face warm. I'm not saying you are being critical of those who keep their masks on all the time. I'm just explaining why some do it.

Bill Maher said on his recent stand up comedy show that he'd like to punch anyone who wears a mask outdoors. Why the fuck should anyone care if another person feels secure wearing a mask? If a mask has become a new fashion accessory, so be it. Since this year's flu vaccine was almost worthless, mask wearing has probably saved a lot of people from getting the flu .

People where I live wear masks outside because of pollen allergies.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Bill Maher said on his recent stand up comedy show that he'd like to punch anyone who wears a mask outdoors. Why the fuck should anyone care if another person feels secure wearing a mask? If a mask has become a new fashion accessory, so be it. Since this year's flu vaccine was almost worthless, mask wearing has probably saved a lot of people from getting the flu .

People where I live wear masks outside because of pollen allergies.

And before this all happened there were people who wore masks because they were immunocompromised.

 

[barbos]

Weird new hepatitis in Europe was speculatively linked to C19 mRNA vaccines.
Apparently the way mRNA is delivered can easily cause autoimmune response to a large range of drugs making them ineffective.
Plus mRNA vaccines itself is susceptible to immune system the same way vector vaccines are. That's not good, not good at all.

 

[Ruth Harris]

Weird new hepatitis in Europe was speculatively linked to C19 mRNA vaccines.

Where did you get that? Everything I have read, including this article, point out that the children were not vaccinated. This is the applicable part of the linked article:

(Reuters) Any link to COVID-19 vaccines has been ruled out, as the children in Britain, where the majority of cases have been found, were not vaccinated.

As for the rest of your post:

Apparently the way mRNA is delivered can easily cause autoimmune response to a large range of drugs making them ineffective.
Plus mRNA vaccines itself is susceptible to immune system the same way vector-vaccines are.

I have never read anything that said this. Sources please.

Ruth

 

[barbos]

Also, my suspicion is that omicron is seriously under-reported in Russia.
Old people have "mild" symptoms, which are not really that mild, but they don't go to doctors.

 

[barbos]

I have never read anything that said this. Sources please

Source is in russian, some virologists worried about using PEG compound in vaccines.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And there are people who do not ge the discomfort that you (complainers) get.

Not according to Loren. People who don't like masks are lying or brainwashed or both.

Fuck that shit.

I hate masks. Most people hate masks. This idea that people that wore masks because of some sort of joy and wanting to be under the thumb of government is childish nonsense. Wore masks because they helped reduce spread of the virus. Some masks worked better than others, but we had to make do with what we had available.

The reality is, some people don't care, but apathy doesn't look good on the outside, so the apathetic needed to come up with strawmen, red herrings, and other bullshit to try and make people that were trying to help, look like fools.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

My Jersey sister told me yesterday that she loves wearing her mask. It makes her feel more self confident as she feels like it makes her look younger. Whatever floats your boat. I've also read that some teenagers who are very self conscious prefer to wear a mask. It covers up their acne or whatever part of their faces they feel insecure about. So, I guess we will see people wearing masks for reasons other than COVID. A few times I've left mine on outdoors on cold days because it kept my face warm. I'm not saying you are being critical of those who keep their masks on all the time. I'm just explaining why some do it.

This is so perverse. In other words people are wearing masks for any reason other than “stopping the spread””

Bunch of weirdos but have at it.

Yup, move towards those exceptions to the rule to prove your ridiculous alt-right fantasy world dreamscape.

 

[TomC]

hate masks. Most people hate masks. This idea that people that wore masks because of some sort of joy and wanting to be under the thumb of government is childish nonsense.

Exactly this!

I hated masking. 40+ years of smoking and a full beard and glasses made them incredibly irritating.
But I also hated the damage being done to the economy and I have a bunch of high risk relatives I care about. So I did what I could to mitigate the epidemic.
Tom

 

[barbos]

I liked my mask in cold weather.

 

[TSwizzle]

My Jersey sister told me yesterday that she loves wearing her mask. It makes her feel more self confident as she feels like it makes her look younger. Whatever floats your boat. I've also read that some teenagers who are very self conscious prefer to wear a mask. It covers up their acne or whatever part of their faces they feel insecure about. So, I guess we will see people wearing masks for reasons other than COVID. A few times I've left mine on outdoors on cold days because it kept my face warm. I'm not saying you are being critical of those who keep their masks on all the time. I'm just explaining why some do it.

This is so perverse. In other words people are wearing masks for any reason other than “stopping the spread””

Bunch of weirdos but have at it.

Yup, move towards those exceptions to the rule to prove your ridiculous alt-right fantasy world dreamscape.

Gibberish.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Weird new hepatitis in Europe was speculatively linked to C19 mRNA vaccines.
Apparently the way mRNA is delivered can easily cause autoimmune response to a large range of drugs making them ineffective.
Plus mRNA vaccines itself is susceptible to immune system the same way vector vaccines are. That's not good, not good at all.

The only hepatitis outbreak I've heard about was in children who were almost all not vaccinated or even eligible to be vaccinated. Something's going on but it's not the vaccine.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I liked my mask in cold weather.

Yeah--I plan to have a mask permanently in my pack. While many people have problems with their nose running in cold weather I only have a problem with cold wind. The pandemic has taught me that a mask prevents that.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Attention right: Shut the fuck up about natural immunity. It's busted:

Compare charts B and D, specifically the last column. Note how we get a pretty similar distribution between those with prior exposure and those without.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

SARS-CoV-2 Omicron Variant is as Deadly as Previous Waves After Adjusting for Vaccinations, Demographics, and Comorbidities

The B.1.1.529 (Omicron) variant of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has previously been reported as more transmissible, but less severe than other SARS-CoV-2 variants. To test this assumption, we linked state-level vaccination data with quality-controlled electronic health records from a large healthcare system, including 13 hospitals, in Massachusetts, USA. We then performed a weighted case-control study to compare risks of hospital admission and mortality across the SARS-CoV-2 waves in over 130,000 COVID patients. Although the unadjusted rates of hospital admission and mortality appeared to be higher in previous waves compared to the Omicron period, after adjusting for confounders including various demographics, Charlson comorbidity index scores, and vaccination status (and holding the healthcare utilization constant), we found that the risks of hospitalization and mortality were nearly identical between periods. Our analysis suggests that the intrinsic severity of the Omicron variant may be as severe as previous variants.

oops

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Attention right: Shut the fuck up about natural immunity. It's busted:

Compare charts B and D, specifically the last column. Note how we get a pretty similar distribution between those with prior exposure and those without.

And from what I've seen that chart is outdated (and not in a good way), where unvax'd people who got Omicron BA.1 aren't particularly immune to Omicron BA.4 or BA.5. Hopefully the virus keeps weakening, because it is continuing to get more contagious.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Attention right: Shut the fuck up about natural immunity. It's busted:

Compare charts B and D, specifically the last column. Note how we get a pretty similar distribution between those with prior exposure and those without.

And from what I've seen that chart is outdated (and not in a good way), where unvax'd people who got Omicron BA.1 aren't particularly immune to Omicron BA.4 or BA.5. Hopefully the virus keeps weakening, because it is continuing to get more contagious.

While I agree that chart has been overtaken by the virus the point remains valid--"natural" immunity isn't providing protection.

 

[TSwizzle]

Sweden has logged one of the lowest pandemic death tolls in Europe despite its refusal to impose lockdowns, World Health Organization estimates suggest. The Scandinavian nation became an international outcast when it defied scientific advice and chose not to shut down in 2020 — instead relying on people's common sense and light social restrictions. Now, the WHO's analysis of excess deaths — people who died directly and indirectly from Covid — suggests the highly-controversial hands-off approach has been vindicated.
Of the 194 countries looked at by the UN health agency, Sweden's pandemic death rate ranked 101st with 56 per 100,000 — well below the average of 90. It also puts Sweden below most other major European nations that locked down several times, such as Italy (133), Germany (116), Spain (111), Britain (109), Portugal (100), the Netherlands (85), Belgium (77) and France (63).

Daily Mail

Lockdowns and mask mandates simply don't work.