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Creation Museum To Display Dinosaur That "Proves" Biblical Flood

so funny. They are basically saying that this dino was found more intact than other dinosours... therefore the flud.
 
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Is it just me or does its skeleton's design look fairly simple?
 
In the replies, to the article on the linked web-page, raiju says: "Yes, rapid burial can only happen in a global flood. No local flood, mudslide, rockslide, earthquake, quicksand, cave-in, or any other lesser disaster could possibly do it.This is what happens when you come to a conclusion first, and look for evidence to support it after."

IOW, if a flood yields rapid burial, and a more perfectly organised fossil skeleton, then ANY flood will suffice as the explanation, not necessarily a magic god initiated one.
 
Some articles are written for those that only read the headlines. At some point in the future, Ed will be using this as a reference.
 
Malintent said:
so funny. They are basically saying that this dino was found more intact than other dinosours... therefore the flud.
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Their logic - pardon me - escapes me too. What about all the other fossils that aren't so "intact?" Must have been a gentle flood I suppose! The water just rose and rose and rose gently and then everything got covered up and so all the fossils should be like this one. But they're not, so then this one fossil clearly proves the big fluddie. That's actually more stupid than believing in the big fluddie itself.

But then again maybe this fossil is clearly the work of Satan. Hmmmmmm...
 
joedad said:
What about all the other fossils that aren't so "intact?"
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Silly skeptic. Creationists have never been interested in consilience. it is sufficient for them to find one fact at a time, examine it with respect to the proof they need, and consider it positive evidence.
In this case, they need the flood to have been rapid and gentle, in order to instantly kill the dino and all predators and scavengers that might have altered the remains.
Of course, they also need the flood to have been violent, to stir up enough earth to create all the layers and spread bones through the entire geologic column.
And they need it to have been non-instant, in order to allow dino bones to settle to the laughingly-assumed-to-be-ancient levels, while still holding up mammal bones and mammal layers of dirt to deposit an apparent long-history of fossils.
And they need not discuss why it was so violent as to tear up the Grand Canyon, but gentle enough not to tear up this particular dinosaur, because that would require looking at two obervations at the same time.
 
Gila Guerilla said:
In the replies, to the article on the linked web-page, raiju says: "Yes, rapid burial can only happen in a global flood. No local flood, mudslide, rockslide, earthquake, quicksand, cave-in, or any other lesser disaster could possibly do it.This is what happens when you come to a conclusion first, and look for evidence to support it after."

IOW, if a flood yields rapid burial, and a more perfectly organised fossil skeleton, then ANY flood will suffice as the explanation, not necessarily a magic god initiated one.
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Poor victims of Mt. Vesuvius. Apparently they don't exist.
 
Potoooooooo said:
http://io9.com/creation-museum-to-display-dinosaur-that-proves-biblica-1580562413

The Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, is set to unveil the skeleton of an Allosaurus fragilis — one that supposedly proves the biblical account of creation.
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To make a fossil, one must take a live or recently deceased specimen and bury it is sediments that will prevent decay and promote fossilization. As rapid burial is a critical element in fossilization, the presence of fossils is proof of a flood and consistent with a global flood.

So, we read that the fossil "...is proof of a rapid burial, which [Snelling - the creationist] interprets as confirmation of a global catastrophic flood a few thousand years ago." This is a little bit different than the headline - but then headlines are designed to attract attention and often fudge on the facts.
 
rhutchin said:
...the presence of fossils is proof of a flood and consistent with a global flood.
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Or it's proof of flooding, a much simpler hypothesis to demonstrate. On a world that's mostly covered with water, one would expect to find evidence of countless events of localized flooding to be found all over.

Of course, a single global flood would have a hard time making fossils of such widely varying ages.

And fossils are not only formed by flooding, but there's nothing in the Bible about, say, insects fossilized in amber due to a worldwide deluge of tree sap.
 
But the fact remains that the biblical global flood is fantasy for anyone taking a minute to do the math. Getting that much rain that quickly is not possible which is why we've seen such claims that instead the water must have welled up from inside the earth. We get 1/2 foot of rain in 24 hours today and it's catastrophic, yet this silly biblical account has us getting 725 feet of rain in the same period of time and it repeats every day for the next 40 days. Anyone who chooses to believe something so absurd has chosen to have the intellect of a moron.
 
joedad said:
But the fact remains that the biblical global flood is fantasy for anyone taking a minute to do the math. Getting that much rain that quickly is not possible which is why we've seen such claims that instead the water must have welled up from inside the earth.
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Well, not from inside the Earth. The Books makes it clear that the water came from under the Earth. Except for the floodgates opened in the sky for the Waters Above to drop through.
Which makes sense fits with God describing the Earth's construction as spreading it across the waters below. Sort of a mud pie floating along.
 
joedad said:
But the fact remains that the biblical global flood is fantasy for anyone taking a minute to do the math. Getting that much rain that quickly is not possible which is why we've seen such claims that instead the water must have welled up from inside the earth. We get 1/2 foot of rain in 24 hours today and it's catastrophic, yet this silly biblical account has us getting 725 feet of rain in the same period of time and it repeats every day for the next 40 days. Anyone who chooses to believe something so absurd has chosen to have the intellect of a moron.
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Or they've thought through the pretty simple implications of simulations we've designed.

It's as if certain portions of the populace believe that designers of a simulation cannot script events into the simulation, or influence the simulation without being bound by the simulation. This raises severe doubt about the intelligence of the idea that someone is bound by the "physical laws" of a simulation they are running.

Wow.. it is really raining outside. Smells good.
 
Kharakov said:
It's as if certain portions of the populace believe that designers of a simulation cannot script events into the simulation, or influence the simulation without being bound by the simulation.
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Ideally, peer review could actually point out where the simulation is lacking, giving actual reasons to reject or at least suspect the results, rather than just imply that there's probably bias inserted in there, somewhere, and that only because one dislikes the conclusions it offers.

Of course, if you're going to say 'and then magic happens,' then no simulation could ever fully capture the fantasy.
 
joedad resurrects the flood thread the day of floods here in Pa... hahaha...


It's not the first time it has flooded here, but it was epic (I've only been here for 2 months, but it's the rainy season, and I only remember one other flood like this). This storm was particularly awesome (lightning and thunder so close that the light and sound arrive with barely perceptible lag- you see the light and hear a crackling rip a fraction of a second later... fucking awesome). The water was so high I thought it was going to come into the living room, but luckily it flowed around the outside of the building- if the surface near the corner of the building had been 1/2" higher, the water would have been in the damn apartment.

Enough of my complaints about the flood here. Called up the construction company in charge of drainage, and they are scheduled to fix it soon.



Keith&Co. said:
Kharakov said:
It's as if certain portions of the populace believe that designers of a simulation cannot script events into the simulation, or influence the simulation without being bound by the simulation.
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Ideally, peer review could actually point out where the simulation is lacking, giving actual reasons to reject or at least suspect the results,
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You could cite the lack of geological evidence for a global flood. Maybe the lack of huge fields of dead animals? Or maybe the existence of Clovis artifacts?

Then again, any creator powerful enough to create the universe would almost definitely be able to cover up a temper tantrum they had thousands of years ago by selecting or creating alternate histories from MWI reality (assuming they can select from all possible paths that lead to any situation- like today).

Keith&Co. said:
Of course, if you're going to say 'and then magic happens,' then no simulation could ever fully capture the fantasy.
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Yeah. It's not like I'd be thinking that there is bright sunshine outside, and a steady rainfall, if it wasn't happening. Beautiful. Going to go look for a rainbow. Uhoh... will get wet.... rain stopped.. blazing sun, no rainbow. Going to run shortly.
 
Potoooooooo said:
http://io9.com/creation-museum-to-display-dinosaur-that-proves-biblica-1580562413

The Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, is set to unveil the skeleton of an Allosaurus fragilis — one that supposedly proves the biblical account of creation.
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wait a minute....
While evolutionists use dinosaurs more than anything to promote their worldview, especially to young students, our museum uses dinosaurs to help tell the account of history according to the Bible.
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Dinosaurs are used more than anything? I would have thought the March of Progress was used more often. And antibiotic resistance. Dog breeds.

And it's kinda odd to use dinos to help tell a history that doesn't mention dinos...
 
rhutchin said:
Potoooooooo said:
http://io9.com/creation-museum-to-display-dinosaur-that-proves-biblica-1580562413

The Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, is set to unveil the skeleton of an Allosaurus fragilis — one that supposedly proves the biblical account of creation.
Click to expand...

To make a fossil, one must take a live or recently deceased specimen and bury it is sediments that will prevent decay and promote fossilization. As rapid burial is a critical element in fossilization, the presence of fossils is proof of a flood and consistent with a global flood.

So, we read that the fossil "...is proof of a rapid burial, which [Snelling - the creationist] interprets as confirmation of a global catastrophic flood a few thousand years ago." This is a little bit different than the headline - but then headlines are designed to attract attention and often fudge on the facts.
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The funny thing about sedimentary rock is that you can have interbedded layers of very fine particle shales and coarse conglomerate. The global flood model can not explain how it is possible for such a thing to happen naturally.

Another thing, I've logged miles worth of sedimentary bedrock. Every once in a while I find a fossil in the shale. Global flood kind of indicates that the bedrock column should be littered with fossils.
 
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