"Cum Rags for Congress"

[Angry Floof]

'Cum Rags for Congress': Satanists Protest Texas Abortion Law with Semen Socks

According to Blackmore, this campaign, which is evocatively titled "Cumrags for Congress," is meant to expose the absurdity of forcing people to treat fetal tissue as human remains. (Lucien Greaves, another spokesperson for the organization, tells Broadly that the campaign isn't officially endorsed or encouraged by the Satanic Temple.) "The concept of the state mandating a non-medical ritual as part of the abortion procedure is offensive and crude, essentially demanding that all citizens adopt the moral, philosophical opinion that fetal tissue is comparable to a living human," she tells Broadly. "Fetal tissue has the 'potential' to become a human, but is not a human yet, does not have consciousness, and cannot exist without the mother host." She points out that semen and ova have the potential to become human life, yet "we do not mourn every ejaculation."

When asked to elaborate on the symbolic significance of the action, Blackmore responds, "It's crass, humiliating, disgusting, a waste of resources, and absurd, just like this regulation."

 

[ronburgundy]

They mare focusing on the wrong absurdity of this law. They are focused on fetuses not being a person, when the real absurdity and fascistic theocracy lies in the idea that even full blown adult human deaths should require a funeral. The State should play no role in how people deal with the carcasses of their kin, other than not allowing them to simply dump the remains in public spaces or waterways. If a family wants to donate a person's entire body to medicine and the hospital is willing to take the tissue, then the family should be able to walk out of the hospital after the person dies and that is the end of it. IOW, a family should have no more responsibility in how they deal with the body than they would for dealing with a package of pork they bought at the market.

 

[fromderinside]

Why isn't anybody pointing out that without abortion about 20-30% of all pregnancies terminate in the first trimester? You know God's will ....

 

[Angry Floof]

Why isn't anybody pointing out that without abortion about 20-30% of all pregnancies terminate in the first trimester? You know God's will ....

Oh, there's lots of stuff to point out here, including ronburgundy's great point.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

They mare focusing on the wrong absurdity of this law. They are focused on fetuses not being a person, when the real absurdity and fascistic theocracy lies in the idea that even full blown adult human deaths should require a funeral. The State should play no role in how people deal with the carcasses of their kin, other than not allowing them to simply dump the remains in public spaces or waterways. If a family wants to donate a person's entire body to medicine and the hospital is willing to take the tissue, then the family should be able to walk out of the hospital after the person dies and that is the end of it. IOW, a family should have no more responsibility in how they deal with the body than they would for dealing with a package of pork they bought at the market.

I disagree. You can throw that package of pork in the trash. (In fact, I have done so when some escaped from the freezer and wasn't discovered for too long.) A system where you can simply throw that dead body in the trash leaves a glaring loophole for murderers. We need to track dead bodies for law enforcement purposes.

That being said, I have no problem with the next of kin donating the body.

 

[Derec]

Why isn't anybody pointing out that without abortion about 20-30% of all pregnancies terminate in the first trimester? You know God's will ....

Just hold a funeral for every period. Who knows if there is an fertilized egg somewhere in there.

 

[Angry Floof]

Sending Derec all my used tampons and pads so he can see they get a proper burial.

 

[ronburgundy]

They mare focusing on the wrong absurdity of this law. They are focused on fetuses not being a person, when the real absurdity and fascistic theocracy lies in the idea that even full blown adult human deaths should require a funeral. The State should play no role in how people deal with the carcasses of their kin, other than not allowing them to simply dump the remains in public spaces or waterways. If a family wants to donate a person's entire body to medicine and the hospital is willing to take the tissue, then the family should be able to walk out of the hospital after the person dies and that is the end of it. IOW, a family should have no more responsibility in how they deal with the body than they would for dealing with a package of pork they bought at the market.

I disagree. You can throw that package of pork in the trash. (In fact, I have done so when some escaped from the freezer and wasn't discovered for too long.) A system where you can simply throw that dead body in the trash leaves a glaring loophole for murderers. We need to track dead bodies for law enforcement purposes.

Okay, some slight modifications. Reporting a death is separate from how the body is disposed of. Anyone can and should report a dead body and its the State's duty (not the families) to verify and record that death and decide if any laws were broken in bringing about that death. But all of that is for record keeping purposes related to the existing records of who the person was prior to death. The family is no more responsible for that than a stranger is if they find a body in their house. But once the State performs its record keeping duty (a task the deceased's family should have no more required role in than anyone else), then the body should be viewed as meat that the kin have first dibs to if they want to do something with it, but no special responsibility towards beyond the same public health issues that regulate other meat disposal.

Also, note that even the killing of animals for meat is something that gets tracked by the State, who enforce regulations to ensure the death's are within various guidelines. Those guidelines are not the same as for human death's but the principle is similar, and beyond the enforcement of such regulations to monitor the death process itself, their should not be any moral issues that come into play if how the meat is handled, only basic sanitary health issues.

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Why isn't anybody pointing out that without abortion about 20-30% of all pregnancies terminate in the first trimester? You know God's will ....

Just hold a funeral for every period. Who knows if there is an fertilized egg somewhere in there.

Sounds like South Park has their plot for next week's episode.

 

[ZiprHead]

I could splooge into a sock and send it to them but I don't think they'd understand getting a sock full of dust.

 

[Malintent]

Every Sperm is Sacred!
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Angry Floof]

I could splooge into a sock and send it to them but I don't think they'd understand getting a sock full of dust.

Just squirt some lotion into the sock. It's not like anyone receiving the package is going to closely inspect.

If you do that, don't forget to include a note: "These r babies. Pls bury."

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Okay, some slight modifications. Reporting a death is separate from how the body is disposed of. Anyone can and should report a dead body and its the State's duty (not the families) to verify and record that death and decide if any laws were broken in bringing about that death. But all of that is for record keeping purposes related to the existing records of who the person was prior to death. The family is no more responsible for that than a stranger is if they find a body in their house. But once the State performs its record keeping duty (a task the deceased's family should have no more required role in than anyone else), then the body should be viewed as meat that the kin have first dibs to if they want to do something with it, but no special responsibility towards beyond the same public health issues that regulate other meat disposal.

Better, but I think the body needs to be tracked until final disposal and that final disposal should either be clearly not a body (ie, cremated) or else tracked (gravesites).

 

[ronburgundy]

Okay, some slight modifications. Reporting a death is separate from how the body is disposed of. Anyone can and should report a dead body and its the State's duty (not the families) to verify and record that death and decide if any laws were broken in bringing about that death. But all of that is for record keeping purposes related to the existing records of who the person was prior to death. The family is no more responsible for that than a stranger is if they find a body in their house. But once the State performs its record keeping duty (a task the deceased's family should have no more required role in than anyone else), then the body should be viewed as meat that the kin have first dibs to if they want to do something with it, but no special responsibility towards beyond the same public health issues that regulate other meat disposal.

Better, but I think the body needs to be tracked until final disposal and that final disposal should either be clearly not a body (ie, cremated) or else tracked (gravesites).

Why? Once the the state records the death and determines whether it was due to a crime, why do they need to track the carcass? As someone with a generally "small government" position, I'm surprised you endorse the extremely high level of red tape, regulation, and expense neccessary for their to be any such tracking system which is based entirely on religious bullshit and not valid secular concerns.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Every Sperm is Sacred!
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk[/YOUTUBE]

Sees Monty Python predicted this bill a few years ago.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Better, but I think the body needs to be tracked until final disposal and that final disposal should either be clearly not a body (ie, cremated) or else tracked (gravesites).

Why? Once the the state records the death and determines whether it was due to a crime, why do they need to track the carcass? As someone with a generally "small government" position, I'm surprised you endorse the extremely high level of red tape, regulation, and expense neccessary for their to be any such tracking system which is based entirely on religious bullshit and not valid secular concerns.

You've got it backwards--the reason for the tracking is to prevent the disposal of a unregistered body. It's not exactly easy hiding the body of a murder victim (they tend to be found), allowing untracked disposal of a body would be a big boon to murderers.

 

[ronburgundy]

Why? Once the the state records the death and determines whether it was due to a crime, why do they need to track the carcass? As someone with a generally "small government" position, I'm surprised you endorse the extremely high level of red tape, regulation, and expense neccessary for their to be any such tracking system which is based entirely on religious bullshit and not valid secular concerns.

You've got it backwards--the reason for the tracking is to prevent the disposal of a unregistered body. It's not exactly easy hiding the body of a murder victim (they tend to be found), allowing untracked disposal of a body would be a big boon to murderers.

I see your point. Basically, the state must oversee all aspects of how bodies are dealt with from death to final disposal so that any unregulated handling of bodies will be an automatic indicator of murder. But that justification favors having a government run system where the body remains in possession of the state from the time of declared death by the coroner to disposal. Allowing private parties to possess and control the bodies with only occasional inspection of their procedures does nothing to stop the problems you highlight. And, the family would have no more responsibility for a body than anyone else. Whoever discovers the body, calls the state, who comes and picks it up.

And this justification for dealing with bodies has no application to a fetus anymore than it would apply to disposal of any amount of blood or human tissue by any medical facility.

 

[Malintent]

Every Sperm is Sacred!
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk[/YOUTUBE]

Sees Monty Python predicted this bill a few years ago.

if 35 years is a few, then ya... but the original satire was in relation to prohibition of contraception, at the time. Like much of Monte Python, their stuff stays pretty darn relevant nonetheless.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You've got it backwards--the reason for the tracking is to prevent the disposal of a unregistered body. It's not exactly easy hiding the body of a murder victim (they tend to be found), allowing untracked disposal of a body would be a big boon to murderers.

I see your point. Basically, the state must oversee all aspects of how bodies are dealt with from death to final disposal so that any unregulated handling of bodies will be an automatic indicator of murder. But that justification favors having a government run system where the body remains in possession of the state from the time of declared death by the coroner to disposal. Allowing private parties to possess and control the bodies with only occasional inspection of their procedures does nothing to stop the problems you highlight. And, the family would have no more responsibility for a body than anyone else. Whoever discovers the body, calls the state, who comes and picks it up.

AFIAK the family has no responsibility for the body. The estate is responsible, disposal of the body is one of the debts the estate must pay before the proceeds are distributed.

And we don't have much trouble with the current private system allowing undetected bodies, I don't think we need more regulation than we have.

And this justification for dealing with bodies has no application to a fetus anymore than it would apply to disposal of any amount of blood or human tissue by any medical facility.

Agreed. There's no reason to apply it to miscarriages and abortions.

 

[fromderinside]

Oh goody. Now we have Godites paving a way for intruding, blaming, making the infected one liable, for the notion that God is, because He created us, responsible for most pregnancy terminations during the first trimester.

I wonder how such thinking would apply to those who are terminal and brain dead.