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Debt Ceiling Calamity VI - This Time It's Personal (Thanks Georgia, Biden's not agenda)

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The debt ceiling needs to be ended. The active debt ceiling has never impeded any spending or tax cut. Its purpose doesn't exist.
 

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In shift, McConnell begins talks with Schumer to stave off debt crisis - CNNPolitics
Emerging from the Thursday meeting, McConnell called it a "good discussion" and the two agreed to "keep talking" about the massive year-end agenda the Senate is struggling to finish, including raising the debt ceiling and avoiding a government shutdown by December 3. Senators briefed on the matter say Republicans are open to a deal that would allow Democrats to easily raise the debt ceiling without GOP support, so long as Republicans don't drag out the process.
What might the Democrats do?
Democrats could either use a process known as budget reconciliation, which cannot be filibustered but would open them up to scores of GOP amendments in the Senate and would eat up days of precious floor time.

Or they could change the filibuster rules and allow the debt ceiling to be raised by a simple majority of 51 votes, rather than 60 to break a stalling tactic -- something McConnell has been fearful his adversaries may actually do with their backs up against the wall.
Though Joe Manchin says he doesn't want to.
 

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Okay, seriously, enough with this bullshit that the GOP is scared of Schumer ending the filibuster. Without that, the first thing gone with a new GOP Senate/House is the death of the ACA. The GOP is daring the Dems to get rid of the filibuster.
 

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Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4:

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Could we say the debt ceiling is unconstitutional?
 

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Conservative Senate Republicans reportedly plan to force a government shutdown over vaccine rules
Funding for much of the federal government runs out at midnight on Friday — and conservative Senate Republicans, backed by their counterparts in the House, are "privately plotting to force a government shutdown" as part of "an effort to defund the Biden administration's vaccine mandate on the private sector," Politico's Playbook reports, citing multiple GOP sources. Democrats are scrambling to get agreement from enough Republicans to fund the government at roughly current levels through early 2022.

"Because of the tight schedule — and Senate rules that require unanimous consent to move quickly — the senators believe they'll be able to drag out the process well past midnight Friday," Politico reports. If they succeed, "the government will likely shut down for several days — even if appropriators strike a bipartisan agreement to extend funding by the end of today."
 

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Alright! Deal appears to have been agreed to. :dancing:

article said:
House and Senate leaders on Thursday announced they had reached a deal on a bill to fund the government into mid-February, opening the door for lawmakers to narrowly avoid a shutdown this weekend.

The agreement on a new stopgap spending measure paves the way for the House to vote before the end of the day, though swift action still seemed uncertain in the Senate, where some Republicans have threatened to grind the government to a halt as they protest President Biden’s vaccine and testing mandates.

STOPGAP?!! FUCK!!! :banghead:

Wait... this is about funding the government and not dealing with the debt ceiling?!?!?!?!

DOUBLE FUCK!!! :banghead::banghead::banghead:
 

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Well, looks like we can't even fund the Government now because vaccination is immoral now.

article said:
While lawmakers are confident that they can ultimately prevent a prolonged shutdown, a brief shutdown over the weekend, or extending into next week, remains a possibility.

Republican Sen. Mike Lee of Utah was the latest member of the GOP conference to say Thursday afternoon that he'll object to quick passage of the resolution.

"The only thing I want to shut down is enforcement of an immoral, unconstitutional vaccine mandate," Lee said in Senate floor remarks.

Republican Sen. Roger Marshall of Kansas also stood by his opposition, saying he would object to an effort to quickly pass a stopgap bill to keep the government open unless he gets an amendment vote to defund the Biden vaccine mandate on businesses at a 51-vote threshold.

"Shutting down the government is worth saving the jobs in Kansas," he said.

I remember celebrating my daughter's birthday outdoors at a park in early November 2020, brilliant unseasonal (well is used to be unseasonal) 65 or so and sunny. Talking amongst my family, a couple engineers, a pediatrician, PhD in biology. Thinking hopefully we'd be back to normal-ish come next Thanksgiving. They had got the vaccine, it appeared to work, we seemed to be on that path and now the GOP is so rabidly partisan, vaccination is considered wrong. You know, freedom and all.

We sent 300,000 Americans to war in the 40s that died in combat. And these idiots won't even consider getting a shot because of "freedom", all the while being largely responsible for the continuation of the pandemic in the US.
 

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From NPR,
Lawmakers are juggling must-pass items, like addressing the nation's borrowing authority and an annual defense authorization package, along with major political priorities for Democrats.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., pledged to vote before Christmas on Biden's roughly $2 trillion Build Back Better legislation.

"I've said many times before that nobody should expect legislation of this magnitude to be easy," Schumer said this week on the Senate floor. "We've been at the task for several months, but we need to take a step back and recognize that we are hopefully less than a month away from acting on the largest investment in the American people we've seen in generations."

That legislation, which includes major investments in the social safety net and programs to address climate change, passed the House last month. Senate Democrats are now waiting for an assessment from the nonpartisan Senate parliamentarian before they can finalize their version of the bill.
About the bill, from CNBC:
  • The measure will keep the government running through Feb. 18.
  • The legislation buys Democrats time as they try to raise or suspend the U.S. debt ceiling before Dec. 15 and pass their $1.75 trillion Build Back Better Act by the end of the year.
 

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Here's that bill: H.R.6119 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Making further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2022, and for other purposes. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

US House: Roll Call 399 | Bill Number: H. R. 6119
The vote was 221 - 212. Every Democrat voted for it and all but one Republican voted against it. The only exception was Adam Kinzinger, R-IL.

U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 117th Congress - 1st Session
The vote was 69 - 28 with 3 not voting. Every Democrat and Independent voted for it while among the Republicans, 19 voted for it, 28 voted against it, and 3 did not vote.

The Republican supporters: Blunt (R-MO), Burr (R-NC), Capito (R-WV), Cassidy (R-LA), Collins (R-ME), Cornyn (R-TX), Graham (R-SC), Hyde-Smith (R-MS), Kennedy (R-LA), McConnell (R-KY), Moran (R-KS), Murkowski (R-AK), Portman (R-OH), Rounds (R-SD), Rubio (R-FL), Shelby (R-AL), Tillis (R-NC), Wicker (R-MS), Young (R-IN)

The non-voters: Hagerty (R-TN), Inhofe (R-OK), Thune (R-SD)
 

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Debt ceiling deal reached in Congress, party leaders say - The Washington Post - "Agreement would require cooperation from 10 Senate Republicans"
The arrangement would first see Congress pass a measure that allows Democrats to raise the debt ceiling just once using a simple majority in the Senate. At least 10 Republicans in the chamber would have to support that bill for it to prevail. Then, Democrats alone could forge ahead with the actual increase to the debt ceiling, which GOP lawmakers could oppose without risking an economic crisis.
What a mess.
 

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House passes workaround to move forward on raising the debt ceiling - POLITICO - "The vote creates a path for Congress to prevent the government from defaulting on more than $29 trillion in debt."

The vote was 222-212, and I couldn't find anything that looks like it in Office of the Clerk, U.S. House of Representatives
Under the plan, at least 10 Senate Republicans would vote to allow Democrats to raise the debt ceiling with a simple majority. The Senate could start voting to allow this process Thursday, and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said he’s “confident” the plan has enough GOP support.

But both chambers would need to actually hike the debt limit in a separate vote — one that could take until early next week to clear both the House and Senate.
 
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