Democrats Continue War on Poor People: Talks of Banning Dollar Stores

[Loren Pechtel]

I didn't write the article I linked in the OP.

Nor did you read it, apparently. If you had, you would have noted the ACTUAL issue being addressed (emphasis mine):

Advocates of tighter controls on dollar stores say the big chains intentionally cluster multiple stores in low-income areas. That strategy discourages supermarkets from opening and it threatens existing mom-and-pop grocers, critics say.

"The business model for these stores is built on saturation," said Julia McCarthy, senior policy associate at the nonprofit Center for Science in the Public Interest and a critic of dollar stores. "When you have so many dollar stores in one neighborhood, there's no incentive for a full-service grocery store to come in."
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But lawmakers around the country are pushing back.

Last week, the city council in Birmingham, Alabama, unanimously approved legislation that would prohibit new dollar stores from opening within a mile of their existing locations.
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Other local residents and business leaders worry that dollar stores' concentration in urban areas deter grocery stores, which offer a wide range of produce and healthy options, from opening.

"There are almost 100 dollar-type stores in a ten-mile radius," said Fort Worth Councilwoman Kelly Allen Gray. "They are heavily located in low-to-moderate-income neighborhoods, which makes their presence feel predatory."

100 in a ten-mile radius? Fucking hell. That's approaching Starbucks saturation.

By the way, what makes you think "business leaders" in these communities that are the ones evidently pushing the local legislatures to stop the clustering are all Democrats? Are all "moms and pops" small business owners just axiomatically Democrats in your fevered imagination?

Math fail--area goes at the square of the radius. A 10 mile radius covers 314 square miles. That's one per 3.14 square miles. Your link starts out with Starbucks at one per 1.8 square miles and the densest at one per .46 square miles.

Looking at grocery stores around here (and I live in the suburbs) I find a higher density than this. I count 12 major ones within the 16 square miles centered on our house and there are 3 chunks of a square mile each that are gated communities with no businesses at all in that and two more square miles have business space that hasn't filled in yet.

The concentration is not surprising and doesn't indicate anything devious other than to the minds of those who are determined to blame big business for all the ills of the world. Besides, what would their motive be? Why in the world would they want to keep grocery stores out??

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Nor did you read it, apparently. If you had, you would have noted the ACTUAL issue being addressed (emphasis mine):



100 in a ten-mile radius? Fucking hell. That's approaching Starbucks saturation.

By the way, what makes you think "business leaders" in these communities that are the ones evidently pushing the local legislatures to stop the clustering are all Democrats? Are all "moms and pops" small business owners just axiomatically Democrats in your fevered imagination?

Math fail

Reading comprehension fail. I said it was approaching Starbucks saturation, not that they were equivalent.

Besides, what would their motive be? Why in the world would they want to keep grocery stores out??

Why doesn’t anyone actually fucking read the links people provide to allegedly support their arguments?

Dollar General is trying to fend off criticism that it does not sell healthy or fresh food.

It has added around 125 "better for you" items to its shelves at approximately 3,400 stores. It plans to reach 6,000 stores by the end of 2019. The products appear under Dollar General's Good & Smart house brand, and the store carries name brands like Annie's, Back to Nature and Kashi.

Dollar General has started to offer fruit and vegetables for the first time at around 500 stores, too. CEO Vasos said last year that Dollar General can "drive a tremendous amount of traffic" by adding produce in rural and urban food deserts.

But opponents like McCarthy from the Center for Science in the Public Interest say Dollar General's produce effort does not go far enough because it only reaches a fraction of the company's more than 15,000 stores.

They are clearly doing what Wal Mart did. Cluster and sell cheap, terrible shit to lower everyone’s standards in the area. “It’s not that great, but it’s dirt cheap!” Slowly introduce other less cheap, but still sub par shit so that, by comparison, it seems like they’re improving, when in fact it’s just a manipulation of your already lowered expectations and an exploitation of the fact that you will always choose cheap (out of necessity) over beneficial or well made (aka, “good for you”).

The idea of inexpensive AND good for you is actively discouraged, because that would raise consumer expectations.

Far from being benign, it’s the Christianity of business models. Consumers are to rejoice in their suffering and never act to change their lot in life, because the meek will inherit the Dollar Store.

And since when is being a small business owner anti-conservatism? Every Republican business owner in every small town I ever lived in was a small business owner compared to any of these conglomerates. If they want to set anti-monopoly/pro-competition zoning laws in their locales, more power to them.

 

[Gun Nut]

I was watching Fox News..

That's where you went wrong... I didn't read the rest of the post.

 

[Gun Nut]

And then when they’re all showing up at the Emergency Room with obesity related illnesses you’ll be pissing and moaning about having to pay for their healthcare, complaining there’s no reason they shouldn’t exercise. Exercise is free. They should be jogging. Then when the cops shoot them for running from the law you’ll say, serves them right. They were running. Must have done something wrong.

Just because you can buy food at a dollar store doesn't mean you have to eat like a glutton.

Go there and buy 1 can of spaghetti and meatballs for dinner. It doesn't mean you have to eat 6 cans for dinner.

1 can of pasta is 1 can too much. Read the label. it's loaded with sugar. "Low-effort" food (I love that term) is for lazy people, not poor people.
You can spend in Whole Foods less than it costs at McDonalds to buy premade food to feed your entire family. The real problem is that it takes over an hour to prepare that food... and poor people are either lazy, ignorant on the importance of a healthy diet or what a healthy diet even looks like, or working 3 jobs and have no time to prepare fresh food.

I used to watch a show called my 300-pound life. It's about obese people. One thing I see in common with all of them on the show is that
a) they are lower middle class / poor
b) they think "lower fat doritos" are "health food".

America's sugar addiction is more insidious than the Crack and Opiod crisesses combined.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

And then when they’re all showing up at the Emergency Room with obesity related illnesses you’ll be pissing and moaning about having to pay for their healthcare, complaining there’s no reason they shouldn’t exercise. Exercise is free. They should be jogging. Then when the cops shoot them for running from the law you’ll say, serves them right. They were running. Must have done something wrong.

Just because you can buy food at a dollar store doesn't mean you have to eat like a glutton.

Go there and buy 1 can of spaghetti and meatballs for dinner. It doesn't mean you have to eat 6 cans for dinner.

1 can of pasta is 1 can too much. Read the label. it's loaded with sugar. "Low-effort" food (I love that term) is for lazy people, not poor people.
You can spend in Whole Foods less than it costs at McDonalds to buy premade food to feed your entire family. The real problem is that it takes over an hour to prepare that food... and poor people are either lazy, ignorant on the importance of a healthy diet or what a healthy diet even looks like, or working 3 jobs and have no time to prepare fresh food.

I used to watch a show called my 300-pound life. It's about obese people. One thing I see in common with all of them on the show is that
a) they are lower middle class / poor
b) they think "lower fat doritos" are "health food".

America's sugar addiction is more insidious than the Crack and Opiod crisesses combined.

Made worse by the fact that a high carbohydrate/high sugar diet is the absolute worst possible diet. Guess what are the primary ingredients of the cheapest meals?

And it's PRECISELY because there are no options in most towns. It's ALL fast food joints. Even the "sit down" restaurants (Bob Evans, Cracker Barrell, Olive Garden) are primarily nothing more than carbohydrate/sugar mills.

 

[Gun Nut]

1 can of pasta is 1 can too much. Read the label. it's loaded with sugar. "Low-effort" food (I love that term) is for lazy people, not poor people.
You can spend in Whole Foods less than it costs at McDonalds to buy premade food to feed your entire family. The real problem is that it takes over an hour to prepare that food... and poor people are either lazy, ignorant on the importance of a healthy diet or what a healthy diet even looks like, or working 3 jobs and have no time to prepare fresh food.

I used to watch a show called my 300-pound life. It's about obese people. One thing I see in common with all of them on the show is that
a) they are lower middle class / poor
b) they think "lower fat doritos" are "health food".

America's sugar addiction is more insidious than the Crack and Opiod crisesses combined.

Made worse by the fact that a high carbohydrate/high sugar diet is the absolute worst possible diet. Guess what are the primary ingredients of the cheapest meals?

And it's PRECISELY because there are no options in most towns. It's ALL fast food joints. Even the "sit down" restaurants (Bob Evans, Cracker Barrell, Olive Garden) are primarily nothing more than carbohydrate/sugar mills.

Well would you look at this... Koy and I share similar facts on a topic.
America's food industry is pretty messed up... the NRA may be getting people killed by blocking reasonable gun control laws, but the food giants are literally poisoning every single American every single day.
They even got to the Obama's.. Intimidated our Fist Lady into changing her primary focus from food to exercise.
The Daily Allowance for sugar is something like 25 grams... take a look at how much sugar is in whatever food item... and note how it is the only thing on the label that does not show the % daily value. Now why would that be???
"low fat" foods have twice the sugar added to compensate for the bad taste of low fat junk food.
sugar is a drug that everyone is addicted to... and the food industry likes it like that.

 

[Derec]

Reading comprehension fail. I said it was approaching Starbucks saturation, not that they were equivalent.

Writing fail. A more than 6-fold difference in density does not mean "approaching".
Admit it. You forgot the difference between miles radius and square miles. You would not be the first lefty to do so. Back in the days of Air America Radio, none lesser than RFK Jr. did the same when he went on one of his unhinged anti-nuclear rants.

 

[Derec]

and note how it is the only thing on the label that does not show the % daily value. Now why would that be???

My guess is because sugar (unlike carbs in general) is not needed in the diet - more complex carbohydrates can be readily broken down into monosaccharides. There is a % daily value for carbs though.

 

[Derec]

1 can of pasta is 1 can too much. Read the label. it's loaded with sugar.

Let's pick one. Chef Boyardee spaghetti and meatballs.
Label says 8g sugar per 255g serving. Doesn't seem that excessive, especially since that includes not just added sugar (what is meant, I think, by "loaded with sugar") vs. sugar naturally present in ingredients such as tomatoes.

Yes, too much sugar is bad, but I think much of anti-sugar evangelism is overdoing it too.

"Low-effort" food (I love that term) is for lazy people, not poor people.

It really depends on the circumstances.

You can spend in Whole Foods less than it costs at McDonalds to buy premade food to feed your entire family.

I doubt that very much. Can you run a calculation? I think it is true if you're buying at Walmart or Kroger, but not at fancy store like Whole Paycheck.

The real problem is that it takes over an hour to prepare that food... and poor people are either lazy, ignorant on the importance of a healthy diet or what a healthy diet even looks like, or working 3 jobs and have no time to prepare fresh food.

It also depends on how many people you cook for. Cooking for one may also take close to an hour, so many people living by themselves don't bother.

I used to watch a show called my 300-pound life. It's about obese people. One thing I see in common with all of them on the show is that
a) they are lower middle class / poor
b) they think "lower fat doritos" are "health food".

I thought it was 600 lbs life?

America's sugar addiction is more insidious than the Crack and Opiod crisesses combined.

If you combined something like crack or meth with sugar, the two might cancel each other out.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

1 can of pasta is 1 can too much. Read the label. it's loaded with sugar. "Low-effort" food (I love that term) is for lazy people, not poor people.
You can spend in Whole Foods less than it costs at McDonalds to buy premade food to feed your entire family. The real problem is that it takes over an hour to prepare that food... and poor people are either lazy, ignorant on the importance of a healthy diet or what a healthy diet even looks like, or working 3 jobs and have no time to prepare fresh food.

I used to watch a show called my 300-pound life. It's about obese people. One thing I see in common with all of them on the show is that
a) they are lower middle class / poor
b) they think "lower fat doritos" are "health food".

America's sugar addiction is more insidious than the Crack and Opiod crisesses combined.

Made worse by the fact that a high carbohydrate/high sugar diet is the absolute worst possible diet. Guess what are the primary ingredients of the cheapest meals?

And it's PRECISELY because there are no options in most towns. It's ALL fast food joints. Even the "sit down" restaurants (Bob Evans, Cracker Barrell, Olive Garden) are primarily nothing more than carbohydrate/sugar mills.

You still don't get it--that's what's offered because that's what people buy.

 

[Half-Life]

1 can of pasta is 1 can too much. Read the label. it's loaded with sugar. "Low-effort" food (I love that term) is for lazy people, not poor people.
You can spend in Whole Foods less than it costs at McDonalds to buy premade food to feed your entire family. The real problem is that it takes over an hour to prepare that food... and poor people are either lazy, ignorant on the importance of a healthy diet or what a healthy diet even looks like, or working 3 jobs and have no time to prepare fresh food.

I used to watch a show called my 300-pound life. It's about obese people. One thing I see in common with all of them on the show is that
a) they are lower middle class / poor
b) they think "lower fat doritos" are "health food".

America's sugar addiction is more insidious than the Crack and Opiod crisesses combined.

Made worse by the fact that a high carbohydrate/high sugar diet is the absolute worst possible diet. Guess what are the primary ingredients of the cheapest meals?

And it's PRECISELY because there are no options in most towns. It's ALL fast food joints. Even the "sit down" restaurants (Bob Evans, Cracker Barrell, Olive Garden) are primarily nothing more than carbohydrate/sugar mills.

Supply and demand though. If the demand was non-existent and nobody was eating at those places, they'd be forced to close. Since the people show up to eat there and the business makes money, they have a demand and stay open.

There's a dollar General in my town, but it's on the other side of town from where I live and whenever I go in there the line is wrapped almost all the way to the back of the store and it's full of blacks and hispanics. If they stopped shopping there, the store wold close. Blame them for going there.

Some of them are nasty people. One time I went in there to buy one thing and there were 4 people in front of me with full carts and I asked if I can go to the front since I only have 1 item and one of them said to me, "Get to the back, white boy!" Usually people give a courtesy to someone who only has 1 item.

It's the equivalent of people blaming cigarette companies for making them smoke cigarettes or blaming McDonald's for making you fat.

 

[Gun Nut]

Let's pick one. Chef Boyardee spaghetti and meatballs.
Label says 8g sugar per 255g serving. Doesn't seem that excessive, especially since that includes not just added sugar (what is meant, I think, by "loaded with sugar") vs. sugar naturally present in ingredients such as tomatoes.

so that's 16 grams of sugar per can ("serving size" is a whole other thing - a bag of doritos that you would probably eat yourself in 5 minutes "serves 4". This single can that barely fills one normal soup bowl allegedly feeds 2 people). The daily allowance for sugar is about 25 grams, so that 1 can of soup (not even a complete meal) contains 64% of your entire days worth of added sugars.

Yes, too much sugar is bad, but I think much of anti-sugar evangelism is overdoing it too.

anti-added-sugar... to be clear. refined sugar acts on the brain like cocaine... it literally has an identical effect. So,. is too much anti-cocaine abuse evangelism a bad thing too?

It really depends on the circumstances.

well, sure.

You can spend in Whole Foods less than it costs at McDonalds to buy premade food to feed your entire family.

I doubt that very much. Can you run a calculation? I think it is true if you're buying at Walmart or Kroger, but not at fancy store like Whole Paycheck.

a whole chicken is $4 / lb. at whole foods. That is higher than elsewhere by a dollar per pound. a 3 lb chicken will feed a family of 5 easily, with leftovers if the children aren't obese yet. lets use a middle-ground green... broccoli. $2 / lb. 1/2 lb is enough for 1 meal for the whole family.
So, fresh organic chicken with broccoli for a family of 5 costs about $13 per meal.
a Big Mac costs about $4. 5 big macs for that family would cost $20 (no french fries or drink - add that in and its closer to $30)
you save $7 for that meal and get more food that is more nutritious with no added sugars.

fast food is cheaper than going out to a restaurant to eat better prepared and higher quality food. for sure.. .every time.
but trying to compare fast food with home prepared food is a losing game... the game is won by fast food because of not having or wanting to spend the time shopping and cooking.

 

[RVonse]

And then when they’re all showing up at the Emergency Room with obesity related illnesses you’ll be pissing and moaning about having to pay for their healthcare, complaining there’s no reason they shouldn’t exercise. Exercise is free. They should be jogging. Then when the cops shoot them for running from the law you’ll say, serves them right. They were running. Must have done something wrong.

Just because you can buy food at a dollar store doesn't mean you have to eat like a glutton.

Go there and buy 1 can of spaghetti and meatballs for dinner. It doesn't mean you have to eat 6 cans for dinner.

1 can of pasta is 1 can too much. Read the label. it's loaded with sugar. "Low-effort" food (I love that term) is for lazy people, not poor people.
You can spend in Whole Foods less than it costs at McDonalds to buy premade food to feed your entire family. The real problem is that it takes over an hour to prepare that food... and poor people are either lazy, ignorant on the importance of a healthy diet or what a healthy diet even looks like, or working 3 jobs and have no time to prepare fresh food.

I used to watch a show called my 300-pound life. It's about obese people. One thing I see in common with all of them on the show is that
a) they are lower middle class / poor
b) they think "lower fat doritos" are "health food".

America's sugar addiction is more insidious than the Crack and Opiod crisesses combined.

Start a business that sells good food that is "low effort" and that's your opportunity to beat out Jeff Bezos Whole Foods.

Besides the fact it probably won't taste quite as good, its probably a major challenge to make "low effort" food which might actually be good for you. The same chemicals they are adding for the instant preparation are also the same process that are not good for you.

But this is could be your calling for an Elon Musk opportunity to make yourself a billionaire while ALSO doing good for humanity. Figure out how to make cheap, great tasting, quick fixing, food that is perfectly nutritional.

 

[Derec]

so that's 16 grams of sugar per can ("serving size" is a whole other thing - a bag of doritos that you would probably eat yourself in 5 minutes "serves 4". This single can that barely fills one normal soup bowl allegedly feeds 2 people).

Depends on the people's caloric requirements. Men usually need more, bigger people need more, more active people need more. Nutritional data is based on a 2000 kcal/d diet, which does not suit most people.
But ok, let's say that a full jumbo can is a meal. 16 grams of sugar is still not bad, especially since I would think most of it is from ingredients like tomatoes and not added sugar.
For comparison, a 12 oz can of coke has 39g of sugar. Now THAT'S loaded with sugar.

You can do a lot more good for yourself by cutting out soda than counting every gram of sugar in packaged or restaurant food.

The daily allowance for sugar is about 25 grams, so that 1 can of soup (not even a complete meal) contains 64% of your entire days worth of added sugars.

Spaghetti and meatballs is not soup. And the sugars on the label != added sugars. It's all sugars.

By the way, 25g per day seems very restrictive. With that rule, nobody could have any dessert ever. Where did you get that guideline?

anti-added-sugar... to be clear.

And not all sugar in that canned pasta is added, although the nutrition label does not differentiate. In any case, I do not think you can say it's "loaded with sugar".

refined sugar acts on the brain like cocaine... it literally has an identical effect.

That's quite a hyperbole. Sure, many things trigger reward centers of the brain. That doesn't mean cocaine, sugar are identical. Or porn for that matter, as anti-porn activists use the same fallacious argument.

So,. is too much anti-cocaine abuse evangelism a bad thing too?

Crack is whack, but if Whitney had replaced crack with some powdered donuts, she'd probably still be alive.

a whole chicken is $4 / lb. at whole foods. That is higher than elsewhere by a dollar per pound. a 3 lb chicken will feed a family of 5 easily, with leftovers if the children aren't obese yet. lets use a middle-ground green... broccoli. $2 / lb. 1/2 lb is enough for 1 meal for the whole family.
So, fresh organic chicken with broccoli for a family of 5 costs about $13 per meal.

Chicken and broccoli and no other ingredients? No oil or butter, no seasonings? No other vegetables or rice/potatoes?
That's a rather spartan meal. And note that cooking takes energy.

a Big Mac costs about $4. 5 big macs for that family would cost $20 (no french fries or drink - add that in and its closer to $30)
you save $7 for that meal and get more food that is more nutritious with no added sugars.

So you save mere $7 by cooking a literal two ingredient dinner.

I am not saying cooking means from scratch is not worthwhile. It definitely is, especially if you cook for a family and thus can take advantage of economies of scale, and you get better quality and more nutritious food out of the deal. But you are not really saving money vs. eating at McD if you shop Whole Paycheck once you nickel and dime all the expenses.

fast food is cheaper than going out to a restaurant to eat better prepared and higher quality food. for sure.. .every time.
but trying to compare fast food with home prepared food is a losing game... the game is won by fast food because of not having or wanting to spend the time shopping and cooking.

Well, time is money. Especially if you're single. The calculus changes if you have a family. The cost of eating out does not follow economies of scale but effort to prepare means from scratch does.

 

[laughing dog]

What I find interesting about the OP, is that the linked article does not mention Democrats at all. It does reference city councils in various cities, including Birmingham, Alabama that have taken action against dollar stores. Now, I wonder why the OP blames any particular party for these actions? In my experience, city council members tend not to run from any party.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

What I find interesting about the OP, is that the linked article does not mention Democrats at all. It does reference city councils in various cities, including Birmingham, Alabama that have taken action against dollar stores. Now, I wonder why the OP blames any particular party for these actions? In my experience, city council members tend not to run from any party.

Some of them are black, so...

 

[SimpleDon]

I was watching Fox News and they were talking about how out of touch the Democrats are with this idea. They were saying, "These rich elite Democrats might have all this money to buy their Kale from expensive grocery stores like Whole Foods, but poor people don't have that option. A poor family on a tight budget needs to get food from a dollar store in order to survive. Talks of banning this would only make the poor starve even worse than they are now."

I agree with this. This is a horrible idea. The poor needs cheap options for themselves. You can't just expect them to go to Whole Foods and buy a $15 sandwich for dinner for their family. Going to the dollar store and getting a huge box of Mac&Cheese gives you more food for your buck.

I hope the poor people wake up and realize that the Dems never cared about them.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/19/business/dollar-general-opposition/index.html

"Advocates of tighter controls on dollar stores say the big chains intentionally cluster multiple stores in low-income areas. That strategy discourages supermarkets from opening and it threatens existing mom-and-pop grocers, critics say."

Oh no! Dollar stores provide food for people at an affordable price! In the words of Greta Thunberg, "How dare you!"

The Dollar Store "problem" is being misinterpreted by both sides. There is no surprise in that.

The right sees this as a problem of an overreaching government preventing a legitimate business responding to supply and demand to make a profit in the free market as god intended. The left sees this as a legitimate government action to keep heartless corporations from turning a poor area into a food desert devoid of healthy food. Neither is right.

This is a symptom of two much larger problems in our society today. The first is the problem of poverty. The left is wrong that the poor need to be protected. What the poor need is not to be poor. They need to be paid more for the work that they already do. Poverty isn't a failure of character or a necessary feature of capitalistic economies, it is the failure of the economy to reasonably distribute the gains from the work done to produce the products that we all want and need.

The right is also wrong about poverty as well as the belief that it is desirable or even possible to achieve a free market without government interventions. The government has to supervise the economy to prevent misbehavior in the same way that the government supervises society in general through its laws and its law enforcement through the courts and prisons.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

a whole chicken is $4 / lb. at whole foods. That is higher than elsewhere by a dollar per pound. a 3 lb chicken will feed a family of 5 easily, with leftovers if the children aren't obese yet. lets use a middle-ground green... broccoli. $2 / lb. 1/2 lb is enough for 1 meal for the whole family.
So, fresh organic chicken with broccoli for a family of 5 costs about $13 per meal.

Chicken and broccoli and no other ingredients? No oil or butter, no seasonings?

Not to defend Whole Foods exclusively, but their chickens are already seasoned and cooked.

No other vegetables or rice/potatoes?

Rice/potatoes are pure carbohydrates, which is what also makes people obese, but, fine, throw in some healthier brown rice (at around 36 cents per half cup side serving, or $1.80 total for a family of five) and you’re still WAY under the $30 for a comparable sized meal at McDs.

That's a rather spartan meal.

As opposed to a shitty burger and fries?

And note that cooking takes energy.

Again, the food at Whole Foods is already prepared, but yes, you could go even cheaper and buy raw for $1.99/pound and cook it yourself to save even more money.

A three pound chicken roasted in the oven would take about an hour to cook at medium heat (350 degrees). In Baltimore, the price for one kWh hour is between 8 and 11 cents.

To get an electric oven to maintain 350 degrees takes about 2400 watts which would add a whopping 24 cents to cook the chicken. To prepare the broccoli and rice on the counter top would be far less, so let’s say it’s an additional dime just for good measure.

So that’s about $6 for the raw chicken; $2 for the broccoli; $1.80 for the brown rice; about 20 cents worth of butter, salt and pepper to season; and around, let’s say, 40 cents in energy costs to cook it all. That’s a total of $10.40. Throw in a water filtered container of water to wash it all down with (and rehydrate without tons of poison sugar) and you’re looking at a total total cost per dinner for a family of five of around $11-$12? Hell, let’s be extra conservative and say it’s a total of $15.

As opposed to the $40 Big Mac combo meal for five at McDs.

That’s a savings of $25/dinner; or $9,125 per year over McDs every night and the home cooked meal is really really healthy and filling and delicious and won’t cause:



With that kind of savings, you could buy a five pound chicken for $4 more so your family could all have leftovers for lunch the next day and get TWO meals from the same effort. Throw in the cost of bread for the chicken sandwiches (with some healthy green lettuce and a slice of tomato or the like), an apple and some carrot sticks for five and you’re talking lunches for five that only costs (total) around $6? That would be $12,410 saved for a TOTAL SAVINGS OF: $21,535 per year over going to lunch and dinner at McDs.

And yes, you all know people who do precisely that AND breakfast, which is the biggest cost scam of them all.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So that’s about $6 for the raw chicken; $2 for the broccoli; $1.80 for the brown rice; about 20 cents worth of butter, salt and pepper to season; and around, let’s say, 40 cents in energy costs to cook it all. That’s a total of $10.40. Throw in a water filtered container of water to wash it all down with (and rehydrate without tons of poison sugar) and you’re looking at a total total cost per dinner for a family of five of around $11-$12? Hell, let’s be extra conservative and say it’s a total of $15.

$10 x 30 = $300 a month... for dinner.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

So that’s about $6 for the raw chicken; $2 for the broccoli; $1.80 for the brown rice; about 20 cents worth of butter, salt and pepper to season; and around, let’s say, 40 cents in energy costs to cook it all. That’s a total of $10.40. Throw in a water filtered container of water to wash it all down with (and rehydrate without tons of poison sugar) and you’re looking at a total total cost per dinner for a family of five of around $11-$12? Hell, let’s be extra conservative and say it’s a total of $15.

$10 x 30 = $300 a month... for dinner.

That’s $10 to feed five people for dinner. As opposed to $40 (the cost of five Big Mac combo meals) at McDs X 30 = $1,200 a month. For dinner.

And as I just pointed out (edited likely after you posted), for just a few dollars more to add onto the size of the chicken (and some other low cost additions), you get lunch the next day, so that’s even more savings over going to McDs for lunch and dinner. On the order of $21,500 saved every year over going to McDs.