Do minds exist?

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We won't learn anything about how a brain creates a mind by making machines that perform tricks that mimic human external behaviors.

There is a chance that we stumble across the actual physical laws that consciousness evolves by if we create a successful mimicry of consciousness created by those laws.

It is possible but unlikely.

The telephone mimics human hearing and human speaking.

But there is nothing to be learned about how the human brain does the same by studying a telephone.

 

[untermensche]

I keep saying the brain produces memories and articulations that are joggled into attending which the unwashed call mind.

The brain doesn't just produce memories.

The mind recognizes those memories as a prior present time.

 

[none]

I keep saying the brain produces memories and articulations that are joggled into attending which the unwashed call mind.

The brain doesn't just produce memories.

The mind recognizes those memories as a prior present time.

where is that idiot smiley when its needed...

[YOUTUBE]http://youtu.be/6NJVViGmqdQ[/YOUTUBE]

 

[untermensche]

The brain doesn't just produce memories.

The mind recognizes those memories as a prior present time.

where is that idiot smiley when its needed...

You need a permanent idiot smiley at the end of all your posts.

A memory of course is somehow formed by the brain.

And experienced in the mind.

 

[none]

where is that idiot smiley when its needed...

You need a permanent idiot smiley at the end of all your posts.

A memory of course is somehow formed by the brain.

And experienced in the mind.

another broken promise,...prove it
Try presenting evidence

 

[untermensche]

You need a permanent idiot smiley at the end of all your posts.

A memory of course is somehow formed by the brain.

And experienced in the mind.

another broken promise,...prove it
Try presenting evidence

You don't know what evidence is.

Something is called evidence when the mind encounters it.

That is why in court one person can present what they saw and that is evidence.

The court never asks, prove that is what you saw. It can't. The mere claim is enough. The claim is either believed or not, but it can't be proven.

So my claim that I have direct experience of my mind is also evidence. You can't say it isn't.

All you can do is believe it or not. And if you don't believe it who cares? Your disbelief doesn't say anything about the matter. It is nothing but an opinion.

 

[none]

another broken promise,...prove it
Try presenting evidence

You don't know what evidence is.

Something is called evidence when the mind encounters it.

That is why in court one person can present what they saw and that is evidence.

The court never asks, prove that is what you saw. It can't. The mere claim is enough. The claim is either believed or not, but it can't be proven.

So my claim that I have direct experience of my mind is also evidence. You can't say it isn't.

All you can do is believe it or not. And if you don't believe it who cares? Your disbelief doesn't say anything about the matter. It is nothing but an opinion.

Whining and crying is not evidence
and neither is trying to change the subject

 

[fromderinside]

I keep saying the brain produces memories and articulations that are joggled into attending which the unwashed call mind.

The brain doesn't just produce memories.

The mind recognizes those memories as a prior present time.

where are you? Humans live in the past. What they hear has already sounded. So the brain reproduces these past occurrences and through processing many attendings one or another attending dominates for whatever reason is rehearsed through articulation. Wallah. Mind.

For humans there is no present time. Everything has already taken place. Sure there may be a bit yet ongoing, but essentially, decisions have been made about what to do to correspond to now.

 

[none]

this is like trying to change code on a system that has 50 years worth of corrupt code installed.

 

[untermensche]

this is like trying to change code on a system that has 50 years worth of corrupt code installed.

From here it is like a cockroach trying to do calculus.

You barely know how to form a sentence no less an argument.

You desperately think you have something to say but all you manage to produce is the same worthless point over and over.

Minds are generated by brains, we know. Move on.

 

[none]

this is like trying to change code on a system that has 50 years worth of corrupt code installed.

From here it is like a cockroach trying to do calculus.

You barely know how to form a sentence no less an argument.

You desperately think you have something to say but all you manage to produce is the same worthless point over and over.

Minds are generated by brains, we know. Move on.

great, superman is generated by brains too.. and wonder woman and batman... the joker too
now fuck off
let's sell your parts on ebay

 

[untermensche]

The brain doesn't just produce memories.

The mind recognizes those memories as a prior present time.

where are you? Humans live in the past. What they hear has already sounded. So the brain reproduces these past occurrences and through processing many attendings one or another attending dominates for whatever reason is rehearsed through articulation. Wallah. Mind.

For humans there is no present time. Everything has already taken place. Sure there may be a bit yet ongoing, but essentially, decisions have been made about what to do to correspond to now.

This is poetry.

Humans live within time. There is an ever changing present.

The way they know this is because they have a mind, that synthesis of all past and present stimuli into a coherent whole that can plan and change the future.

 

[none]

where are you? Humans live in the past. What they hear has already sounded. So the brain reproduces these past occurrences and through processing many attendings one or another attending dominates for whatever reason is rehearsed through articulation. Wallah. Mind.

For humans there is no present time. Everything has already taken place. Sure there may be a bit yet ongoing, but essentially, decisions have been made about what to do to correspond to now.

This is poetry.

Humans live within time. There is an ever changing present.

The way they know this is because they have a mind, that synthesis of all past and present stimuli into a coherent whole that can plan and change the future.

pfft, more claims no evidence...

 

[untermensche]

From here it is like a cockroach trying to do calculus.

You barely know how to form a sentence no less an argument.

You desperately think you have something to say but all you manage to produce is the same worthless point over and over.

Minds are generated by brains, we know. Move on.

great, superman is generated by brains too.. and wonder woman and batman... the joker too
now fuck off
let's sell your parts on ebay

Ideas are as real as minds.

Superman exists, as thoughts and as concepts.

Just as the minds that created Superman existed.

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This is poetry.

Humans live within time. There is an ever changing present.

The way they know this is because they have a mind, that synthesis of all past and present stimuli into a coherent whole that can plan and change the future.

pfft, more claims no evidence...

What is asking for evidence?

 

[none]

great, superman is generated by brains too.. and wonder woman and batman... the joker too
now fuck off
let's sell your parts on ebay

Ideas are as real as minds.

Superman exists, as thoughts and as concepts.

Just as the minds that created Superman existed.

more broken promises, no evidence... just wild claims
do us all a favor...

 

[untermensche]

Ideas are as real as minds.

Superman exists, as thoughts and as concepts.

Just as the minds that created Superman existed.

more broken promises, no evidence... just wild claims
do us all a favor...

Us all?

You mean all the voices in your head?

Perhaps that's why you have trouble with this?

 

[none]

more broken promises, no evidence... just wild claims
do us all a favor...

Us all?

You mean all the voices in your head?

Perhaps that's why you have trouble with this?

obviously you exclude yourself because of self shame

 

[untermensche]

Us all?

You mean all the voices in your head?

Perhaps that's why you have trouble with this?

obviously you exclude yourself because of self shame

I would suggest you see somebody.

 

[none]

obviously you exclude yourself because of self shame

I would suggest you see somebody.

more obviously it is your ignorance that is giving us problems, willing ignorance.. deliberate ignorance

 

[untermensche]

I would suggest you see somebody.

more obviously it is your ignorance that is giving us problems, willing ignorance.. deliberate ignorance

Us?

Who are you representing?